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President Paul: Rand Rising? (Some in the GOP resent the younger Paul and worry hes too radical)
National Review ^ | 03/11/2013 | John Fund

Posted on 03/11/2013 7:03:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Palm Beach, Fla. — Those who doubted that Rand Paul was will running for president need to change their minds after considering how he energized the conservative grass roots with his 13-hour Senate filibuster last week.

Paul took a narrow issue — as he put it, “whether an American can be killed by a drone on American soil without first being charged with a crime” — and captured the attention of political activists. As social media lit up with praise for his efforts, many of his fellow senators joined him on the floor, in solidarity with his demand that the Obama administration answer a question it had legalistically evaded for days. Representative Keith Rothfus of Pennsylvania was part of a group of House members who went to the Senate floor to “stand with Rand.” “The atmosphere was electric, “ he says. “Republicans felt we were advancing.”

The day after the filibuster, Attorney General Eric Holder capitulated and finally gave Paul a direct answer: “‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no.”

Rand Paul isn’t as direct when asked whether he is running for president, but he says he is “seriously” considering it. If he does enter the race, he will clearly do so by stepping out of what he views as an establishment straitjacket that keeps conservatives from communicating their message to young people, Hispanics, and disillusioned independents.

“We’ve got to appeal to younger voters, the West Coast, people who view Republicans as in league with crony capitalists and the wealthy, and those who are suspicious of endless foreign interventions,” he says. “Otherwise, we are going to become a niche product for red states.”

Much of the GOP establishment obviously resents Rand Paul’s arrival on the national stage. Take John McCain, who tangled frequently with Rand’s father, Ron Paul, when they both ran in the GOP primaries in 2008. A front-page photo in the New York Times captured him glowering as he happened to share an elevator with Rand Paul in the Capitol building last week. McCain told reporters that if the younger Paul “wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids.”

But at the annual Club for Growth meeting here in Palm Beach, it wasn’t kids in the audience who greeted Paul as a hero, giving him a standing ovation both before and after his talk last Friday. The Club for Growth is a group of sober-minded business owners and investors who have proved their political clout by helping elect tea-party-oriented senators, including Ted Cruz of Texas, Marco Rubio of Florida, and Rand Paul himself.

Some Club members are already in Paul’s corner for 2016. “He has broadened his appeal to include three issues that 75 percent of the American people agree with,” says George Yeager, an investment counselor from New York. “He wants a balanced-budget amendment, term limits, and a questioning of mindless nation-building overseas.”

Jim DeMint, the former South Carolina senator who is now president of the Heritage Foundation, told Club members that he “couldn’t think of a more dramatic contrast between some senators having dinner with President Obama on the same night last week that Rand Paul and his allies were making their courageous stand.” In his view, “the balance of power in the Senate GOP caucus is shifting.” He noted that key members of the Senate leadership, such as Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Jerry Moran of Kansas, came to the Senate floor in support of Paul’s effort.

If Paul ran for president, he would no doubt be the underdog, given the Republican Party’s post-Reagan penchant for nominating only establishment figures. But two consecutive presidential defeats have discredited the establishment in the eyes of many activists.

Mallory Factor, who runs a popular “Monday Meeting” of conservative activists in Charleston, S.C., had Paul speak to his group recently and reported that the response was very favorable. “He has a fresh appeal,” Factor says. “And the mailing lists he inherits from his father’s two campaigns are a huge fundraising and organizational head start” in South Carolina and other states that will vote early in the 2016 nominating process.

The reaction in other early-voting states is also favorable. “I don’t think you can underestimate how big of a moment this was,” conservative Iowa talk-radio host Steve Deace told Politico, speaking of Paul’s filibuster. “If the Iowa caucuses were tomorrow, he would win in a landslide.”

Even Steve Schmidt, who ran John McCain’s 2008 presidential effort, told Politico that Paul could be a formidable candidate. “I can’t tell you how many hours and meetings are devoted to discussing the candidate’s vision in a campaign,” said Schmidt. “Well, you wouldn’t have to do that with him. . . . He’s got the right combination of principles, oratory skills, smarts, and showmanship.”

Now that Paul has seized the limelight, he will begin a process of being grilled and dissected by a media that is largely hostile to his libertarian message. He delivers that message more smoothly and effectively than his father does — the elder Paul has been tagged at times as cranky — but Paul’s strength, his freshness, is also a potential weakness. After his upset GOP-primary win for the Senate in 2010, the neophyte Paul, who has held office for only two years, gave a now-infamous interview on MSNBC in which he disastrously questioned the constitutionality of parts of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Since then, Paul has done a better job of steering what he calls “a middle ground between pure libertarianism and traditional conservatism,” but some GOP leaders still view him as a loose cannon. One senator told me privately that if Paul runs, GOP voters would be unlikely to shake a sense that Paul “has a veiled radical agenda that would undermine the military, leave Israel in the lurch, and savage programs many people depend on.”

By all appearances, Paul is trying to assuage these misgivings. He recently met with the leadership of the American Israel Political Action Committee and made his first trip to Israel. He has put his legislative staff to work on veterans’ issues and pointed out that reforming the Pentagon will help ensure U.S. military strength.

Most important, he has developed a good relationship with Minority Leader McConnell, his fellow Kentuckian. Paul’s former campaign manager is now leading McConnell’s 2014 reelection effort, and McConnell has allowed Paul a great deal of freedom to offer amendments of his choosing on the Senate floor. All of this makes it harder for people to depict Paul as a fringe figure in the Senate.

But for all his efforts, some Republicans — those who blame the Tea Party for the GOP’s failure to take back the Senate from Democrats in 2012 — would probably treat a Paul candidacy as an insurgency they need to suppress. They will insist that Paul won’t appeal to women, moderates, and people who will be suspicious of his Kentucky drawl.

But even those who are hostile to Paul should welcome his candidacy. If his star-making filibuster is any indication, his entry in the race will help make the GOP attractive to younger voters and people who are traditionally suspicious of both major parties. For a party that clearly had an “outreach” problem to those voters in 2008 and 2012, that can only be helpful.

— John Fund is national-affairs columnist for NRO.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: president; randpaul

1 posted on 03/11/2013 7:03:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Where libertarianism intersects with conservatism Rand Paul can be a valuable ally.


2 posted on 03/11/2013 7:08:51 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: SeekAndFind

APPEAL TO MODERATES?!!??@!?!?!?!?!?!? The last time we won a Presidential election, it was when George W. Bush presented himself as a full-throated conservative. No, Americans want someone will will FIGHT.


3 posted on 03/11/2013 7:09:37 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: SeekAndFind

John Fund is a doosh.

Go Rand!


4 posted on 03/11/2013 7:12:06 AM PDT by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t see why Paul wouldn’t appeal to women voters, even older women voters. Most republican women tend to be old fashioned conservative libertarians. In other words, LEAVE ME ALONE! When we need help, we will help each other, thank you very much, we really don’t need the government to tell us what to do.


5 posted on 03/11/2013 7:13:31 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: SeekAndFind

..the world has seen the seasoned crafty older Rino

6 posted on 03/11/2013 7:14:10 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: SeekAndFind

ergo, he MUST BE DESTROYED!!!!...........


7 posted on 03/11/2013 7:19:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Too radical”!? Unreal. That means he’s too into the constitution. He needs to realize the Bill of Rights is outdated. Needs to back off entitlements. Give the 1st and 2nd amendment a rest. “Cross the aisle” etc.


8 posted on 03/11/2013 7:21:45 AM PDT by albie (re)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes - we more “non radicals” like Bob Dole, Jeb Bush, and John McCain!

That will get the Republicans back into power!

/s


9 posted on 03/11/2013 7:31:46 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: albie

I want a candidate who will tell me that ALL 2nd amendment violations to date will be stricken from the books, we’re gonna drill anyplace we see fit, we’re gonna build petroleum processing plants wherever we feel like it, we’re gonna teach “actual” history, we’re gonna defund the department of education, the epa and any other agency that interferes with free trade, we’re gonna secure our borders (north and south), arrest and try anyone trying to subvert the constitution and bill of rights........... The list could go on and on. Guess I’m dreamin’ huh?


10 posted on 03/11/2013 7:32:44 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: rktman

I forgot. And actually do what he says. Kinda like hussein except for the good of the country.


11 posted on 03/11/2013 7:33:53 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes. the U.S. Constitution along with with Bill of Rights IS a radical document. Too much for the old RINOs who have destroyed the Republican party.

“I’m not a Republican, I’m a Conservative”


12 posted on 03/11/2013 7:35:01 AM PDT by A. Patriot ("I'm not a Republican, I'm a Conservative.")
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To: SeekAndFind
...Those who doubted that Rand Paul was will running for president...

Cripes! If you want to be taken series, get a proof reader.

FMCDH(BITS)

13 posted on 03/11/2013 7:35:19 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: rktman

The list could go on and on. Guess I’m dreamin’ huh?”

...that’s a great list! I’d like to add Term Limits, stiff penalties for voter fraud and repeal “hate crimes” legislation.


14 posted on 03/11/2013 7:38:42 AM PDT by albie (re)
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To: McGavin999

He does appeal to older women voters! I don’t why anyone would object to Rand standing up to this immature pos resident that was trying to expand his powers to go beyond the constitution....billions of bullets, tank like trucks, and has a right to kill Americans without due process... Why did the older Republicans not pick up on this. I am not that savvy mind you, but it smacked of a dictatorship to me. Remember Ayers group said at one time that there has to be 20000000 fewer Americans in order for socialism to work.


15 posted on 03/11/2013 7:40:03 AM PDT by DooDahhhh
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To: SeekAndFind
Rand Paul is MY kind of a RINO.
Disliked even hated by John McCain and the GOPe.
16 posted on 03/11/2013 7:59:48 AM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: albie

Like I said, the list could go on and on and on...............................


17 posted on 03/11/2013 8:03:31 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: SeekAndFind

The most any Republican can hope for in 2016 is the Republicrat nomination. We are living in a re-run of the 30’s - 40’s when Republicans became a more-or-less permanent minority.


18 posted on 03/11/2013 8:03:41 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: MuttTheHoople
Americans want someone will will FIGHT.

This. In spades...

Rand in 2016.

19 posted on 03/11/2013 8:04:48 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SeekAndFind

bttt


20 posted on 03/11/2013 8:17:01 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: A. Patriot; upchuck; All

“The Liberal Agenda Media chooses to oppose all good done, and promote ANY bad done by that same Republican Politician.”

The above statement could be restated as “No good deed goes unpunished.”

The Liberal Agenda Media and Left Wing GOP Elite Pigs McCain and Graham have the same goal: ‘Any Republican Elephant that rises up out of the swarming, fetid, GOP Elite Pig herd must be swiftly brought to his/her knees so that the GOP Elite Pigs can continue to be the loyal rubber stamps for the Democrat Jackasses.’

The return to Republican Principles is terrifying to the GOP Elite, and they will fight any attempt to restore dignity to the Republican National Committee, as McCain and Graham so aptly proved last week on the US Senate floor.

The yellow spine swine
Of the GOP E
Are the reason
That we lose our Liberty!


21 posted on 03/11/2013 8:19:01 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Dead Corpse
I live in Kentucky.

When Paul ran in the primary he was villified as a radical, as not conservative but a libertarian. I listened to him. He is not libertarian. He is Conservative. He is what Republican should be and could be. He is very nearly me in his conservative views. We don't perhaps see 100% eye to eye but we are a lot closer than anything that has been around in a while. I hope I have the chance to support him for president.

Was the filibuster a stunt? Perhaps, I don't know but I wish it was still going on. If we would filibuster every stupid thing that happens in the Senate perhaps we would get more respect. Having dinner with the president underscores to me what is wrong with the Republican old timers. I am glad that Mitch McConnell had enough sense to choose the right side and stood with Rand Paul.

I Stand with Rand!

22 posted on 03/11/2013 8:21:53 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: SeekAndFind

No doubt the GOP Establishment is not comfortable with conservatives in their ranks. Thus the ousting of Tea Party reps from committees and the bad mouthing of high profile newbies in the news lately.

WADABUNCHAPUTZES!


23 posted on 03/11/2013 8:23:40 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (One "bitter clinger" praying for revival. <BCC><)
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24 posted on 03/11/2013 8:24:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

SunkenCiv (Rand would have been worse, if you’re a dumb ass.)


25 posted on 03/11/2013 8:30:16 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: SeekAndFind; All
The day after the filibuster, Attorney General Eric Holder capitulated and finally gave Paul a direct answer: “‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no.”

Did he say so under oath?

26 posted on 03/11/2013 8:35:05 AM PDT by newzjunkey (bah)
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To: Sans-Culotte
The most any Republican can hope for in 2016 is the Republicrat nomination. We are living in a re-run of the 30’s - 40’s when Republicans became a more-or-less permanent minority.

That's a fear I have.

27 posted on 03/11/2013 8:37:03 AM PDT by newzjunkey (bah)
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To: JAKraig

Yep. Pretty much everything you said...

I am a libertarian who lives conservatively by choice. Rand is a conservative who believes in the Constitution and it’s limits on government power.

He’s a step in the right direction and the best the GOP still has to offer. Period.

I stand with Rand.


28 posted on 03/11/2013 8:38:39 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Steve Deace is a crack pot. Why do they always go to him for his opinion?


29 posted on 03/11/2013 8:44:26 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (The perfect is the enemy of the good..............Voltaire)
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To: rktman

I share your dream.


30 posted on 03/11/2013 8:45:43 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (The perfect is the enemy of the good..............Voltaire)
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To: SeekAndFind

The GOP should stay with the tried and true members of the party.

McCain/Boehner 2016

The GOP should put its leaders in a position to win. The leadership of the GOP is the future of the party, so put them on the ticket.
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/Sarcasm

The GOP should change leadership, modernize by removing these GOPe fossils.


31 posted on 03/11/2013 8:47:41 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: JAKraig
So far, Rand is showing much more political savvy than his nutcase father. If those nutty followers of his father want to help Rand, they will get out of the way and keep their mouths shut. The only thing they can do now is to hurt Rand's chances.

What these nutcases have done in Iowa is unbelievable.

32 posted on 03/11/2013 8:49:14 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (The perfect is the enemy of the good..............Voltaire)
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To: SeekAndFind

Legalistically voters are to stupid to elect a person with logic and love of country.
Note Obama won twice.


33 posted on 03/11/2013 8:51:47 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry but the electorate is nowhere near a place where RAND PAUL has any real shot at the presidency, any more than his father’s repeated attempts.

While he did tap disgust on BOTH sides of the isle over the drone program, he has to be able to tap from the left to really have a shot, and frankly far too many on that side flat out agree with the steady march to insolvency and socialism.

Until you see those casual democratic voters come to the realization that their party wants to make America European, no libertarian based argument will win general election, and the fact is most Democratic voters don’t want american to be Europe, but fail to realize that is exactly what the folks and party they keep voting for are doing.


34 posted on 03/11/2013 9:04:33 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Tupelo

It hurts to say this, but Rand Paul is taking the path that Sarah Palin _should have taken_ after leaving the governorship of Alaska...


35 posted on 03/11/2013 9:16:54 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: Dead Corpse

“I stand with Rand...”

Kinda reminds me of 1968:
“Clean for Gene!”

Kiddin’ aside, Rand may represent as existential a threat to the party establishment as did Mr. McCarthy back then...


36 posted on 03/11/2013 9:22:21 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: MuttTheHoople
it was when George W. Bush presented himself as a full-throated conservative

You mean he presented himself as a "compassionate conservative" - whatever that is.

37 posted on 03/11/2013 9:27:53 AM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: SeekAndFind
Those who doubted that Rand Paul was will running for president need to change their minds

As I was saying to my wife just the other day, any conservative leader who emerges now will find the full weight of the press AND the GOP-E lined up taking shots at him for four years. After years of that sort of sustained assault, he will be declared non-viable because of too much baggage. This applies to Rubio, Paul, Cruz, etc. They will get Palinized. If they stick their heads above ground, they will be chopped off. On the other hand, if they play along for the sake of retaining power, they will amount to nothing since as tea-party favorites the GOP-E will always marginilize and possibly try to primary them away. he best strategy for them is to stand up now, loudly, accept the fact that they will be attacked and called wacko-birds and maybe won't be able to become President but they might save the country. That's reward enough.

38 posted on 03/11/2013 9:44:31 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: SeekAndFind
President Paul: Rand Rising? (Some in the GOP resent the younger Paul and worry he’s too radical)

What could be more radical to a bunch of RINOs than someone who walks upright?

39 posted on 03/11/2013 9:52:04 AM PDT by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)
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To: McGavin999
Most republican women tend to be old fashioned conservative libertarians.

That was a very weird statement and contradictory, one can't be libertarian and conservative at the same time, that is why libertarians label themselves, to show that they are leftists on social issues and anti-conservative.

There is nothing "old fashioned" or conservative about being for abortion homosexualizing the military, gay marriage, gambling, porn, hookers and heroin, ending border controls and firing the Border Patrol and the INS and so on.

I don't think that republican women used to support those changes for America in the past, if they do today, then we are fully doomed.

40 posted on 03/11/2013 11:13:55 AM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: plain talk

Maybe we need a radical Right wing president. What we really need is a capitalist president.


41 posted on 03/11/2013 1:19:01 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: JAKraig

What has been the reaction like in KY? Did Mandy Connell enjoy it?


42 posted on 03/11/2013 1:21:49 PM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: Road Glide

I almost hate to say it, but I 100% agree with you.

Dunno what is up with Palin - she seems to be hiding.

Paul is right.


43 posted on 03/11/2013 1:25:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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