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Doctor refutes research about gun laws, deaths
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 13 March, 2013 | Dave Workman

Posted on 03/13/2013 6:32:31 PM PDT by marktwain

The head of a pro-gun-rights physicians’ organization today blasted the findings of a research project published by the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) that intimated states with more gun laws have a lower rate of firearm fatalities.

The JAMA report was first publicized by NBC News, which also has been blistered by a National Rifle Association official for an unrelated story yesterday that suggested the NRA was ready to make a behind-the-scenes deal on a national universal background check bill.

BULLETIN: Breitbart is reporting that Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn wants the state attorney general to appeal a ruling by the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals that found the state’s ban on concealed carry to be unconstitutional. That appeal would be to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The case, Moore v. Madigan, was filed by the Second Amendment Foundation. A related case, Shepard v. Madigan, was filed by the National Rifle Association.

Dr. Timothy Wheeler, director of Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership – a project of the Second Amendment Foundation – faults the report, done by Harvard medical researchers, as biased. He uses an unlikely source to support his arguments, Dr. Garen J. Wintemute with the University of California, Davis, who has been associated with other anti-gun research.

According to NBC News, Wintemute faulted the study’s conclusions, contending, “Correlation does not imply causation. The plain English way of saying this is: Just because two things exist at the same time, that does not mean one thing caused the other. That's what's being implied here. All they counted in that analysis was the number of laws in each state, not which laws. There's no information in this study on the specifics of the (state) laws and whether they were enforced or not."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: ama; banglist; constitution; guncontrol; secondamendment
Much of what passes for "research" on the left is "just silly".

It is just an exercise in semantics to give justification to leftist policies.

1 posted on 03/13/2013 6:32:31 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
It is just an exercise in semantics to give justification to leftist policies.

Actually, you were much too kind to the left-wing scum.

In actuality, It is just an exercise in deception, propaganda, and intimidation to implement their leftist policies.
2 posted on 03/13/2013 6:42:03 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: marktwain

Rule 22. “Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.”

http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html


3 posted on 03/13/2013 6:44:46 PM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: marktwain
WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE?, Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, Volume 30, Number 2, Spring 2007 (pp. 649-694)

OF HOLOCAUSTS AND GUN CONTROL, Washington University Law Quarterly, Volume 75, Number 3, Fall 1997 (pp. 1237-1275) (PDF of article)

4 posted on 03/13/2013 7:07:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: marktwain

5 posted on 03/13/2013 7:11:15 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks marktwain.
The JAMA report was first publicized by NBC News, which also has been blistered by a National Rifle Association official for an unrelated story yesterday that suggested the NRA was ready to make a behind-the-scenes deal on a national universal background check bill.
IOW, that unrelated story was more liberal BS from the Partisan Media Shills.


6 posted on 03/13/2013 7:17:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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***Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership***

I’m going to find out if such an organization exists in my area and if so see if I can get a full listing of such medicine men.

I’ll have no qualms about reaching into my own pocket in addition to what insurance covers to make these guys MY family doctor, and/or specialist, and/or dentist if need be.

Ain’t America a great country?


7 posted on 03/13/2013 7:17:28 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: marktwain
did they mention that Vermont has virtually NO gun laws and about the same amount gun crime as it has laws
8 posted on 03/13/2013 7:21:31 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Travis McGee

Your posters/posts are very thought provoking.

Thank you for your efforts.


9 posted on 03/13/2013 8:01:56 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: marktwain

2nd Amendment bump for later........


10 posted on 03/13/2013 8:10:23 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: Travis McGee

Hello,
Have been contemplating some thoughts from Clausewitz on disarmament - for the uninclined, fortunately in the very beginning of the book:

WAR THEREFORE IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE INTENDED TO COMPEL OUR OPPONENT TO FULFIL OUR WILL.

Violence arms itself with the inventions of Art and Science in order to contend against violence. Self-imposed restrictions, almost imperceptible and hardly worth mentioning, termed usages of International Law, accompany it without essentially impairing its power. Violence, that is to say, physical force (for there is no moral force without the conception of States and Law), is therefore the MEANS; the compulsory submission of the enemy to our will is the ultimate object.
***In order to attain this object fully, the enemy must be disarmed, and disarmament becomes therefore the immediate OBJECT of hostilities in theory. ***
It takes the place of the final object, and puts it aside as something we can eliminate from our calculations.

3. UTMOST USE OF FORCE.

Now, philanthropists may easily imagine there is a skilful method of disarming and overcoming an enemy without great bloodshed, and that this is the proper tendency of the Art of War. However plausible this may appear, still it is an error which must be extirpated; for in such dangerous things as War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst...
Clauswitz. On War. Introduction, section 2 ff.
http://www.gutenberg.org/zipcat2.php/1946/1946-h/1946-h.htm#link2H_4_0007

The ***bolded*** part is something for us to consider. By the very definitions of terms, a person you seek to disarm is your enemy. As evidence of this, Schumer et al, do not wish to disarm their select bodyguards, police forces with whom they agree (a few sheriff’s offices maybe), themselves, or the United Nations, among others. Nor do they actually seem as though they are seeking to disarm specific criminal individuals or even the Muslim Brotherhood, forthat matter. Their actual actions seem aimed at disarming the Public.

Now we have a logical puzzle here, if elected “public” officials consider the public to be their enemies, how can they be representatives of the people? How can a government which exists at the will of the people declare the people its enemy? If anyone or the whole does so, does it not declare himself or itself illegitimate? Should we not immediately call for the resignation or impeachment of any public official who declares himself the enemy of the people by saying he wants to disarm them?

I included some portions around it just for context, and the last line for our self declared enemies (I did not declare them thus, by these definitions) - these “philanthropists” are greatly, and gravely, mistaken in their opinions of their own wisdom and the nature of the conflict they are seeking to commence.


11 posted on 03/13/2013 10:30:54 PM PDT by Apogee (All done with sleepless contemplation of jus ad bellum and jus in bello, for now.)
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To: Chode

Vermont was not one of the states they included in their “study”.


12 posted on 03/14/2013 5:13:59 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Apogee; All
From Kipling's "Gods of the Copybook Headings"

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.

They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.

But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,

And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

13 posted on 03/14/2013 5:23:58 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain; basil
Here is a tool to give to your doctor if he/she starts to ask/advise you about your possession of firearms.
14 posted on 03/14/2013 5:57:17 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: marktwain
i wonder why... NOT!!!
15 posted on 03/14/2013 3:11:22 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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