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Steubenville suspect's text messages paint disturbing picture of night of alleged rape
Yahoo Sports ^ | 3/14/13 | Dan Wetzel

Posted on 03/15/2013 1:30:50 PM PDT by Politicalmom

STEUBENVILLE, Ohio – Across a remarkable couple of hours Thursday, JoAnn Gibb, a slight but tough-minded forensic specialist for the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation, sat on a witness stand in a small, third-floor courtroom here and read the contents of hundreds of teenage text messages – explicit and vulgar, at times celebratory and at other moments desperate and pathetically sad.

They were culled from the cell phones of 17 kids, seized in the investigation that led to two Steubenville High School football players being charged with the August 2012 rape of a 16-year-old West Virginia girl after a night of partying. It is one of the largest cell phone culls in the state's history, and the contents of those messages intensified the trial in this football-mad, aging steel town.

"It was an extraordinary level of evidence and detail," said Katie Hanna of the Ohio Alliance to End Sexual Assault and a veteran observer of sexual assault cases. "I've never heard of anything like it."

Seventeen-year-old Trent Mays and 16-year-old Ma'lik Richmond are facing rape charges. Mays is accused of using his fingers to rape the girl, who many have testified to being drunk, in a moving car while another passenger filmed the action. Later, in the basement of a friend's house, prosecutors allege Richmond digitally raped the passed-out girl while Mays tried to force her to perform oral sex.

Both are charged as juveniles and could be sentenced to prison until age 21. Their closely watched joint trials began here Wednesday and should continue through the weekend. Each maintains his innocence.

(Excerpt) Read more at sports.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: rape; steubenville
Defense made a serious mistake while trying to excuse the assaults on the grounds that the girl wasn't impaired "enough":

Madison, meanwhile, compared it to the longstanding tradition of young people laughing at friends who drink too much.

"She became the butt end of the joke because she was the drunkest," he argued.

It was a potentially fair bit of perspective until prosecutor Hemmeter quickly jumped to a one-question redirect of Pizzoferrato, pouncing on the chance to blow up the "she-wasn't-all-that-drunk-after-all" defense strategy.

"Mr. Madison asserted you always make fun of the drunkest person in the room," Hemmeter said. "Was [the girl] the drunkest person in the room?"

"Yes," Pizzoferrato said.

"No more questions, your honor," Hemmeter concluded.

1 posted on 03/15/2013 1:30:50 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: Politicalmom

Why are they being tried as juveniles? It is ridiculous!


2 posted on 03/15/2013 1:46:00 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Politicalmom

Reading the sports section these days is almost like reading the FBI most wanted list in the post office.

Juveniles? They can’t hurt the football team with this kind of thing, can they? Spring practice starts in a few weeks. These upstanding young men have to ready themselves for spring practice! /s


3 posted on 03/15/2013 2:05:23 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Politicalmom

Where were the parents?

Who lets their kids go to these kin ds of parties?


4 posted on 03/15/2013 2:11:23 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
I ask myself in these situations is why NOBODY really stopped them....they saw this disgusting assault on this drunk/drugged girl and nobody lifted a hand?...not a boy, or incredibly, not even a girl?

I can't understand these males but why females don't bother to protect each other is just beyond me..

5 posted on 03/15/2013 2:19:26 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Politicalmom

I tried for so long to try to avoid hearing/reading anything about this. On Wednesday, it became inescapable to me. I saw a video, in a news story, of this jackass Michael Nodianos, referencing her as the dead girl: “Dude, she is so dead, she’s deader than OJ’s wife. She’s deader than Caylee Anthony.” He laughs and so does the jerk filming him. In that same video, he says that the victim is more raped than the Duke Lacrosse girl.

My heart goes out to Colin Finnerty, Dave Evans and Reid Seligmann all over again. They didn’t rape anybody, and Seligmann wasn’t even on the premises. But he was nifonged by a rogue prosecutor, and here, these jerks are only going to get 3-4 years. There were so many of them, and not a decent one in the bunch except for Sean McGhee, who wasn’t even in the bunch, per se.

Sickening! I don’t rightly know what I would do if Trent Mays were my son. Dumb, vile and ignorant as he is, would it be worth it to me to put my money up to buy him a defense? I think I would just let the chips fall where they may and make his way with a defense attorney that he himself could pay for. I want to believe that I would wash my hands of him.


6 posted on 03/15/2013 2:19:56 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: cherry

Apparently, one of the girls there offered her a ride away from there. She vehemently said no, but then the question becomes, why didn’t any of the girls notify their parents, the girl’s parents, any adult or a law enforcement official?


7 posted on 03/15/2013 2:21:37 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: Politicalmom

Stunning, just stunning...
Dare I link the coarsening of our kids to stuff they see on TV and in the movies, sports figures who are idolized by many and have no manners in public, or even a President of the United States who messed around with an intern, was defended by saying it’s only his sex life, even by his own wife???
But we’re told we need to have more “liberty” in our social life...yeah.


8 posted on 03/15/2013 2:40:07 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: definitelynotaliberal

I think I read when this first occured,that they didnt even charge the boys till after football season was over.Didnt want to hurt the season or the boys possible college scolarships.Anyone know if this was true?


9 posted on 03/15/2013 2:41:01 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: cherry

One of her friends went to get her stuff so she could take the girl home, but the boys had taken her away when she got back outside.


10 posted on 03/15/2013 2:57:52 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Craftmore

I’m not sure of the exact timeline, but I do know that some were playing and were allowed to an attend awards dinner after being “suspended”.


11 posted on 03/15/2013 2:59:27 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: GeronL

Didn’t you always bring home color flyers of previews of the parties you were going to, so your parents could decide if you could go?

Kids have been lying to parents about the weekend agenda, for at least 100 years.


12 posted on 03/15/2013 2:59:39 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Politicalmom

Goes all the way up to the NFL!!!!


13 posted on 03/15/2013 3:01:19 PM PDT by GregB (Where are the Benghazi survivors?)
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To: Politicalmom

“closely watched joint trials”

hmmm....more serious that first reported.


14 posted on 03/15/2013 3:01:23 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry

I have never liked parties so I wouldn’t know. I also have never seen a flyer for a party.

If I had kids, I would tell them when they are old enough to have sex, they have to move out.


15 posted on 03/15/2013 3:03:20 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: matginzac

Of course. They are impressionable and they see it on TV and in the movies and think it must be okay. It must be okay, it seems to be okay for those young people on TV and movies to do.

They probably also do not get any opposing views from parents.

Plus, they watch hours and hours of TV and then they get the leftwing view at school and from friends. Do you really think one or two minute talks from a parent will be able to counter all that influence?


16 posted on 03/15/2013 3:05:38 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Of course you haven’t seen flyers for parties.

That’s my point, the parents have no idea about “parties like that”, because the kids are spontaneous, and always on the lookout for the home where parents aren’t there.

Since the kids aren’t going to acknowledge they are having sex or contemplating sex, you’d be throwing them out at about age 14.


17 posted on 03/15/2013 3:29:34 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: GeronL

“Who lets their kids go to these kinds of parties...”

Sadly.. high school parties have changed DRAMATICALLY since when we were that age. Did we have drinking? At some and some snuck some in but not to the extent that high school parties consume the stuff now. Plus, there is always some other drugs. My high school kid has been asked to about forty or fifty parties since Freshman year... I finally asked him, “You don’t want to go?” (I was thinking that today’s parties are the benign ones of yesteryear). He said, “Mom, YOU don’t know what goes on at these parties”. He then explained how much sex occurred, how much drinking/drugs, and even girls “doing” multiple guys. Yes... much of the sexual contact/drunk behavior is captured via cell phones. So, he has chosen NOT to go (thank the Lord) and I’ve told my almost 13 year old daughter that it will be a cold day in hades before she EVER goes to a high school party.


18 posted on 03/15/2013 3:30:16 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Politicalmom

Been following closely since early in the year. Looks like the defendants are in serious trouble in the trial.


19 posted on 03/15/2013 3:32:51 PM PDT by abb
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To: momtothree

Don’t forget that “date” and “prom” also means sex now


20 posted on 03/15/2013 3:41:27 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: G Larry

and how does that excuse anything?


21 posted on 03/15/2013 3:42:02 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: G Larry

If I throw them out at 14, they will have deserved it


22 posted on 03/15/2013 3:42:28 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: G Larry
Kids have been lying to parents about the weekend agenda, for at least 100 years.

But most parents are smart enough to catch on, especially if they tried to do the same things when they were a teenager.

23 posted on 03/15/2013 3:44:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GeronL
Who lets their kids go to these kin ds of parties?

Parents who want to be "friends" with their kids.

24 posted on 03/15/2013 3:46:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Politicalmom

while Mays tried to force her to perform oral sex.
= = = = = = = = = = =
That in itself shows the kid has no idea of what is going on.

If he succeeded in getting oral sex from a passed out person, he may have gotten a surprise he could remember the rest of his life.....which would be a GOOD thing.

Think pit bull if jaw ‘locks’ on target.


25 posted on 03/15/2013 4:01:01 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --I turn 75 next year- but remember, that's only 24 Celsius. (TKS R. Reagan))
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To: xrmusn
Think pit bull if jaw ‘locks’ on target.

I'm thinking of a certain song by "King Missile."

26 posted on 03/15/2013 4:02:40 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

the worst kinds of parents


27 posted on 03/15/2013 4:05:58 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Politicalmom
One of the articles I read about this had a feminist talking about the "rape culture". I was unfortunately at work or I would have asked her if Kathleen Willey and Juantia Brodderick were also victims of the "rape culture".

As an aside, I keep reading about how today's teens are so tech savvy. It also seems they are idiots, because they think they are supposed to distribute the evidence of their crimes to as many people as possible. Rob a house? Let's make a YouTube video of the loot! Molest a girl? Let's text the evidence to all our buddies! Morons.

28 posted on 03/15/2013 4:28:16 PM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Hacksaw

Well, when a group of guys openly call themselves the “Rape Crew”, I think there IS a problem with a “rape culture”.


29 posted on 03/15/2013 4:35:47 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: dfwgator

Think pit bull if jaw ‘locks’ on target.
I’m thinking of a certain song by “King Missile.”
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
I don’t know ‘King Missile’ or a clue as to the song,

BUT

I think we are on the ‘same page’ here??? <: <:


30 posted on 03/15/2013 6:22:14 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --I turn 75 next year- but remember, that's only 24 Celsius. (TKS R. Reagan))
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To: xrmusn

“It’s detachable.”


31 posted on 03/15/2013 6:23:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Politicalmom

Sounds more like this case was being stonewalled because of Black Ku Klux Klan style racism and White Guilt Liberal enablers..... more than this “football mad community” spin


32 posted on 03/15/2013 6:35:00 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Not sure where you’re getting that from, but I can assure you that the football spin is accurate. You may be doubting that HS football could be king, but in some areas of Ohio, it really is, particularly the closer you get to the Ohio southern borders.

Don’t believe me? Check out their web page full of history about the Big Red team. http://www.rollredroll.com/history.htm

They have been to the state playoffs 25 times in the last 32 years, and were in the top 3 teams in the state 24 times in that span. The athletes are prima donnas that can do no wrong.


33 posted on 03/15/2013 8:26:38 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: dfwgator

Didn’t see that one coming.
I figured the ‘vise’ or at the very least getting bobbicked.

That is a good name for that procedure though.

When shortening a horses or dogs tail isn’t it call bobbing?


34 posted on 03/15/2013 8:33:42 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --I turn 75 next year- but remember, that's only 24 Celsius. (TKS R. Reagan))
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To: GeronL

Don’t forget that “date” and “prom” also means sex now
= = = = = = = = =
I would imagine, after all, I put out 50 bucks for a corsage and put a tie and this stupid suit on, SO you owe me???

Never had a ‘real’ problem with ‘my girls’ b 65 and 69, their ‘friends’ all figured I was nuts, AND armed and especially dangerous, PLUS I was the guy in the neighborhood that could and would hire the ‘little dears’ for summer jobs - house NEVER got TP’ed or windows soaped.

I have a 23 yo grdaughter and my daughter STILL treats her ‘worse’ than I ever dreamed of- in terms of ‘parental control’.

I even tell her she should ‘lighten’ up a skosh BUT she says she knows the treatment ‘works’.


35 posted on 03/15/2013 8:45:54 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --I turn 75 next year- but remember, that's only 24 Celsius. (TKS R. Reagan))
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To: cherry

“I ask myself in these situations is why NOBODY really stopped them....”

I always have to believe that it is because of the influence of three factors:

The idea that one should not get involved to avoid backlash from the perpetrators and possible lawsuits.

Personal harm that may come to those who might have stopped them.

The general deterioration in the morals of the society where some young people enjoy the pain of others and actually participate.....although not directly.

The ‘drama’ of the text messages speaks to all of it. Most young people are all drama queens anyway.


36 posted on 03/16/2013 11:51:46 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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