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Natural Conservatives? Really?
Center for Imm Studies ^ | March 11, 2013 | James R. Edwards Jr

Posted on 03/18/2013 12:32:39 PM PDT by AuntB

Ever heard the claim that Latinos are "natural conservatives"? The person repeating the conventional wisdom of the Beltway apparently hasn't examined the evidence.

That's why, for Republicans, to buy that canard spells disaster. The most recent evidence comes from a new Latino Decisions poll. It shows two-thirds of Latinos support "comprehensive immigration reform" that includes special immigration privileges for foreign-born gays and lesbians.

Of those Hispanic respondents who favored giving homosexual couples the same immigration rights as traditional couples, 92 percent view it as important (very or somewhat) to make the change part of any amnesty bill in Congress.

While the Christian community has taken a stand to preserve the institution of marriage, Latinos who report being Christians don't agree with the traditional biblical view on marriage. Some 71 percent of Catholic Latinos and 53 percent of Hispanics claiming to be "born-again Christians" support gay spousal amnesty and visas, according to the poll.

The foreign-born Latinos were even more supportive of this position — 65 percent vs. 63 percent of native-born Hispanics.

Other surveys have found Latinos significantly more likely than the native-born to have single-mother households, use welfare, prefer bigger government that provides more services, and view free enterprise negatively. That doesn't sound exactly like a "movement conservative".

For liberal critics of amnesty and mass immigration this may not matter. But the Republican Party would wake up after an amnesty fling with open-borders special interests of all stripes to find they'd left them in the morning. The only thing to show for selling out their party's base is an even bigger Democratic electorate.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; conservative; gayagenda; gaymarriage; hispandering; homosexualagenda; latinos; marriage
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To: wardaddy
most immigrants vote democrat...legal too

See my previous post to Caipirabob. Democratic Party operatives are successfully turning Latinos against us with their lies. If we respond to those lies with the truth -- in Spanish -- we can take them back.

51 posted on 03/18/2013 6:02:25 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: skeeter; AuntB; Travis McGee; GeronL; Pelham; stainlessbanner

lol..no shite

and to think me and travis and marine inspector and jackelope and many others were hounded off this forum once by those same jackasses that left over Rudy and went to anti freep..and call some important in this site all sorts of vile names...just like they did as Klowns before

and you betcha...some are sure as hell back now

just two weeks ago one smeared me with the usual racial and religious crap

they are weak

just a few examples...as a southerner i knew these jerk were fakirs anyhow

sinkspur, illbay, bayourod, prdn321, rtb3d, non sequitur and so forth...how long did we point out these folks were not really all that conservative?

and they got away with these zot posse gangs for years

now..we all get it I guess...at least most of us anyhow

it’s not about bigotry...skin color...kinky hair...height...not even religion except with Islam

it’s about behavior and voting patterns

these are not Poles, Irish, early Jews, Italians etc trying to fit into an Aglo-Scots Irish Germanic existing nation

these are supplanters


52 posted on 03/18/2013 6:05:25 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

What you said, wardaddy!


53 posted on 03/18/2013 6:14:28 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: wardaddy
The open border Quisling traitors are winning big. Note that even now, we are still advertising free food stamps in Mexico. IOW, our traitor class is advertising for invaders to enter the USA to replace the the bitter clingers. Now, why would the 'Rat elites want millions of illiterates in the USA, if they were "natural conservatives?" The answer is obvious. They're not.


54 posted on 03/18/2013 6:15:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: wardaddy
I don't see that there's anything to be gained by ignoring reality. With many ethnic constituencies blood always has been thicker than water and its damn near impossible to win the vote of someone currently receiving something for nothing with words like liberty and self reliance.

Ten years ago I knew what needed doing but now I really don't know what can be done.

55 posted on 03/18/2013 6:18:50 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: wardaddy

“I do not think the heritage I came from will surrender all with just a whimper...i sure hope not and I am training mine to resist “

Most of my family has been in this country since the 1600’s. The ones who didn’t come then, were already here. All of them were involved in one war, usurpation, being ran out of their homes, served as indentured servants after another for centuries. I’ve had enough war and death in my heritage! I don’t want any more fights and injustice, but BOTH parties just won’t let that happen. They have cost thousands of innocent lives of ALL colors with their open border insanity.

Blood is on THEIR hands, and they are my ENEMY. I didn’t make this fight...THEY did! But I sure as hell won’t back down from it. NOT THIS TIME!


56 posted on 03/18/2013 6:22:12 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Bryan

We should be emphasizing that legal Hispanics are not thrilled to have illegals living among them but of course the Republicans do not have the intelligence to even think of this much less use this to woo more Hispanics. Many Hispanics, when in the privacy of the voting booth will definately vote to get the neighborhood destroying, job taking illegals out of the country.

Too much is made of racial loyalty. If Hell’s Angels moved into a white neighborhood you can be sure there would be no racial loyalty to them even though they have the same skin color as the rest of the neighborhood. Same thing with Hispanics who respect the law. They do not want gangs in their neighborhood, they do not want their schoolrooms overflowing with the illegals children that the legal Hispanics have to pay for while their children’s education is going downhill. This is a quality of life issue to people who want to live in a nice neighborhood, want jobs and want to keep their taxes down. Besides, many of the Hispanics are illegals and cannot vote so why would we care what they think? It is the legal Hispanics who are over 18 and are citizens that we should care about. That reduces their numbers quite a bit.


57 posted on 03/18/2013 6:33:34 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Bryan; AuntB; Liz
If we turn our backs on legal Latinos, and drive them away with harsh, racist rhetoric, we are finished as a political party.

First you tell us that the latinos agree with us about illegals then you call us racists for what we said. Make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.

There is no proof of your claim about latinos. They DO NOT vote conservative in any way, shape or form.

Bush promised them "a new America" and he still only got about 44%. What more do we need to promise them to get over the 50%? Our country on a silver platter?

58 posted on 03/18/2013 6:36:22 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron. No, they are both.)
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To: skeeter
I don't see where auntB misrepresented anything. On the other hand your attack on her was unprovoked and out of line.

This is the third thread where she's presented that survey taken in Mexico -- and by not telling you it was taken in Mexico, she creates the impression that it was taken in the United States. No, she doesn't lie. But just like MSNBC and the New York Times, she doesn't give you all the facts and she knows she's creating the kind of misconceptions that she wants to create.

59 posted on 03/18/2013 6:38:42 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: AuntB

They know about the hundreds of bodies along the border and you are right, blood is on their hands. More voters, more cheap labor, more dead bodies in the desert.


60 posted on 03/18/2013 6:40:42 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Bryan

Are you referring to post 6? If so the poll clearly says it was taken of Mexicans. Clear enough to me.


61 posted on 03/18/2013 6:43:25 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: raybbr
First you tell us that the latinos agree with us about illegals then you call us racists for what we said.

I didn't call you racists. Notice the placement of the word "if" at the beginning of the quote you used.

Some other people on this thread, such as cradle of liberty are saying what needs to be said. We need to change our approach to the Latino vote. We can't continue to allow Spanish-speaking Democratic Party operatives to continue lying to them, unchallenged. If we do, the Republican Party is done.

62 posted on 03/18/2013 6:44:44 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: Bryan; raybbr; skeeter; All

Here’s the post he’s pissing and moaning about and ascribing scurrilous motives to!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2998141/posts?page=6#6

*Poll: Mexicans say Mexican-Americans Owe Loyalty to Mexico Over U.S.
Thu Oct 15 11:51:17 2009 ·

(CNSNews.com) - Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans – including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty to Mexico, not the U.S.

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bryan...The only ‘impression’ I would want to make is that poll was taken in Mexico! THEY are the ones coming, they won’t be loyal! THAT is the point, you little sissy! And when something refers to MEXICANS, THAT means MEXICO! IT sure as hell doesn’t mean AMERICANS!

You don’t know me, you don’t want to know me...I’m one of those knuckledragging westerners who stands up against loud mouthed know it alls like you!

I’m REAL sorry, that YOU and ONLY YOU in 4 years couldn’t figure out the poll was taken in MEXICO!
BLOOD IS ON YOUR hands, not mine! I wanted this stopped decades ago, before blood was shed, before it was OUT OF HAND, but twisted brains like yours prevailed. Show us what you EVER did to stop this out of control pandering and invasion...YES, I SAID INVASION...of socialist DEMOCRAT VOTERS...we have to assume that is what you want!

And YOU have a law degree?? God help us.


63 posted on 03/18/2013 6:58:44 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Bryan; skeeter; raybbr; Travis McGee; wardaddy; Pelham; cradle of freedom; Liz; Tennessee Nana; ...
RE :”But the ones who have their entire families here are very much opposed to amnesty. And if we can just get the illegal Latinos out of the country, and prevent them from voting illegally, you will all see a substantial change in the way the rest of them vote, and respond to polls.”

If legal Hispanics were opposed to illegal immigration you wouldn’t see both parties climbing all over themselves to make illegals voting citizens.
Hell, if Hispanics were not demanding amnesty then the bad rhetoric on Hispanics could just be lowered by stopping talking about amnesty. No, they are demanding it and the GOP has done nothing to convince them otherwise.

Hispanics are pretty much 70 to 80% in favor of Obama’s initiatives. The same way they voted last election. Its not just economic issues which I would understand but its social issues too.

You are defying reality by claiming the contrary.

RE :”If we turn our backs on legal Latinos, and drive them away with harsh, racist rhetoric, we are finished as a political party.”

I agree with you there are have posted that before.
Last year Republicans did great helping motivating the Dem base Hispanics to get out and vote, like hitting a growing bee’s nest with a bat.

At this stage the best they can do is try to convince Hispanics that Obama is lying to them so they don't vote. Citizenship for illegals as the GOP working for is a great way to give Dems the endless majority.

64 posted on 03/18/2013 7:09:47 PM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: Bryan; AuntB; sickoflibs

I know a lot of Latinos. The ones who are here legally. The ones who were born here. The ones who can vote legally. You know, there are Latino families in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas and New Mexico who have been living here for 200-300 years.
....
Yes, some legal Latinos have family members who are illegal or still living in Mexico, and they want to reunite their families here where the money is. Where the good life is. Who can blame them?

___________________________________________

so which is it ???

are they Latinos from Latinoland or are they Americans ???

You know the relatives of illegal aliens and those still living in Mexico...

Since you seem to insist those relatives are the descendants of wetbacks who came to the US 20-300 years ago, the illegal aliens cannot be close family members after all...

The immediate family members for the last few generations would be American citizens...

unless your nice “Americans” arent that careful about who they marry or mate with...

My family go back nearly 400 years in the US...

but I never did manage to have any illegal alien close family members...

Gee I wonder what Im doing wrong ???

I noticced you did admit they are here for greed for the money and not because they love America...

I can blame them...its easy...

Why dont they stay in mexico where the livin is just as easy and good...

Why not ???

Because Mexico wont put up with their junk...wont give them handouts and excuse their crimes...

these are criminals ...

and since you seem to love your illegal aliens so much, adopt a couple and take them home and support them yourself...

let them drive your best car and sleep in your bed...

get and extra job and feed them all...

if you adiopt a mixed couple of pet illegal aliens in about 3 years they will have increased by about 4 more...

have lotsa fun Gringo...


65 posted on 03/18/2013 7:23:21 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Bryan; Tennessee Nana; AuntB; Liz; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”Yes, some legal Latinos have family members who are illegal or still living in Mexico, and they want to reunite their families here where the money is. Where the good life is. Who can blame them?”

I missed this part until I read TN’s response to you.

The problem is that these recent(illegal) immigrants and their kids are drawing a disproportionate amount of $$$ for anti-poverty programs. And as soon as they vote its a disaster. In fact the same is true for poor LEGAL immigrant families.

This is now a question of survival. Legalizing them and especially giving them the vote is disastrous.
We don't need more poor hungry sad looking families formed by illegals to get on camera in more leftist documentaries showing how mean the rich (us with jobs) are to poor Hispanic children in America, just sitting by letting them suffer,. We got plenty of them already.

66 posted on 03/18/2013 7:40:57 PM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Just in!! FROM the USA...Nana, ya better put on a disclaimer WHERE an article comes from! Don’t want to be deceptive! We, old gals need to heed Bryan’s edict: “ “Try to remember next time. I realize you’re getting old, but the Alzheimer’s hasn’t taken over yet, has it? “”

http://www.kgun9.com/features/immigrationwatch/198880001.html?lc=Smart

‘They are facing a danger’: Sheriff says Arizonans not safe after detainee release
FLORENCE, Ariz. (KGUN9-TV) - An Arizona sheriff says there’s a clear safety concern for people in the state. The federal agency in charge says that’s not the case. KGUN9 News looks at the concerns and possible risks of the feds’ decision to release illegal immigrants.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement made that decision last month ahead of sequester budget cuts. Now, ICE reveals a number of those 2,228 people are convicted criminals.

Of the 342 released in Arizona, according to the agency, 220 had no convictions. Ninety one of them had been convicted of a misdemeanor or similar offense. Thirty had been convicted of a felony or similar offense. One committed a crime or crimes considered the most serious.

An agency spokeswoman told KGUN9 she had no information on the specific crimes committed.

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu said “whistleblowers” have given him those details.

“We have direct information from ICE — federal agents here in Pinal County — that those who were released had convictions — not just charges,” the Republican said. “(They had) convictions for weapons violations, for narcotics trafficking, for drug smuggling. (They’re) members of the cartels.”

Babeu argued the mass release, most of which happened in his county, puts people in danger.

“Those are not low-risk, nonviolent offenders,” he added. “These are very serious criminals.”

Babeu explained the public safety concern is if the convicts would reoffend after release.

“I believe that they are facing a danger,” he said, referring to people in his county. [SNIP]

DID YA SEE THAT!!! I SAID SNIP..snip...snip...snip....!!!!!
Didn’t give ya ALL the story, not trying to deceive!!!!!!


67 posted on 03/18/2013 7:43:09 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Since you seem to insist those relatives are the descendants of wetbacks who came to the US 20-300 years ago ...

You do know that 200-300 years ago, the Rio Grande Valley wasn't even part of the United States, did you? So they didn't come to the United States. The United States came to them, and "wetback" is a racist term.

Why dont they stay in mexico where the livin is just as easy and good... Why not ???

Because it isn't. Employment, working class wages, and crime rates make living in Mexico very unattractive.

these are criminals ...

I agree, a lot of them are criminals and we need to send the criminals back where they came from.

and since you seem to love your illegal aliens so much ...

Perhaps you misunderstood me. I want them deported. For very, very few of them -- the ones who have been here ten years or more, haven't been arrested for anything (except immigration violations), and have been working, we might consider giving them a path to citizenship. But that's less than 10% of them. If they've been here collecting welfare, cranking out babies so that they can get more welfare, dealing drugs, burglarizing houses and/or turning tricks, they can go back wherever they came from -- perhaps with a nice prison sentence at San Quentin first, if they've earned one.

69 posted on 03/18/2013 8:17:34 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: AuntB
There are significant problems with polling these days that make all of them inaccurate to a substantial degree ~ and I don't mean a 1 or 2 percent difference ~morelike a 2/3 difference ~ between what the poll says and reality.

BTW, most folks from ElSalvador don't believe in marriage. Never did. Costs too much. They all live in poverty there. Much of Latin America is like that.

70 posted on 03/18/2013 8:20:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bryan

Whoa...Great Wall of Words there, FRiend.


71 posted on 03/18/2013 8:21:42 PM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: US Navy Vet

Gypsies are generally more honest.


72 posted on 03/18/2013 8:23:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bryan; Tennessee Nana; Liz; cripplecreek; AuntB; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...
RE :” For very, very few of them — the ones who have been here ten years or more, haven't been arrested for anything (except immigration violations), and have been working, we might consider giving them a path to citizenship. “

Just because they haven't been convicted of a crime (besides immigration) and they work doesn't mean it will be good for this country for them to vote.

Don't we have enough Americans with their hands out?
Demanding stuff from us?

73 posted on 03/18/2013 8:26:07 PM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: Jane Long

Yeah I screwed up a post and asked the mods to delete it. The one that followed was what I was trying to say.


74 posted on 03/18/2013 8:30:26 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: sickoflibs
Just because they haven't been convicted of a crime (besides immigration) and they work doesn't mean it will be good for this country for them to vote. Don't we have enough Americans with their hands out? Demanding stuff from us?

No solution is perfect. If they're working, that means they probably "get it." Even Romney got 27% of the Latino vote. What makes you think all Latinos are going to have their hands out, demanding stuff from us?

It appears to me that of the legal Latinos, as well as the illegals who are actually emulating the legal Latinos by getting jobs, obeying the law and trying to assimilate, we already have a lock on about 25% of them. Democrats also have a lock on about 25% of them. The other 50% are up for grabs.

We have to treat them fairly, and we have to make sure they KNOW we're going to treat them fairly. We also have to make sure they KNOW that the Democrats have been lying to them, and bankrupting the country; and that the Republican way creates jobs for everybody.

If we can do that, and if we can deport the criminals who have been preying on the legal Latino community, we'll get 50% of the Latino vote very easily. Probably more. And that would mean the exact opposite of what I've been warning about: rather than the Republican Party being finished, it would be the Democratic Party that's finished. Rather than Bush being the last Republican president of our lifetimes, Obama could be the last Democratic president of our lifetimes.

All we have to do is start communicating to the legal Latino population in their language, countering the lies of Democratic Party operatives with the truth, and effectively removing the predatory illegal immigrants from their communities with prison sentences and deportations.

75 posted on 03/18/2013 8:40:56 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: wardaddy

BTTT !


76 posted on 03/18/2013 9:08:01 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Bryan; Travis McGee; AuntB; Squantos; sickoflibs; skeeter; Pelham; Tennessee Nana

Explain why the term wetback is racist?

It means someone wet from swimming the Rio Grande

Why is that racist?

Demeaning. Yes.

Is it racist to demean people who broke our laws to get here?
Thanks to sensitive folks we now call them undocumented workers or residents

Isn’t that ridiculous?

Like calling terrorism man made disasters or Islam a religion of peace

What is your definition of racism?

Ethnic nationalism?

Is that the new threshold...

I grew up back when we had real racism....racial supremacists...

Now all i see is black and latino reverse racism and white inferiority complexes

That does not make me happy....does it you?

I hate to ask but how old are you and where do you live?

I am 55...southerner obviously...
Peckerwood Christian....admittedly

But i spent two decades mostly in latin America and was married to one and. Involved with many

I loved many....i adore Colombia

But i don’t want it replicated here...nor Mexico or Brasil

You know they use the term”mojado” themselves

Does calling folks out as racist give meaning to your life or a sense of superiority

I have never understood the urge but.....no offense..
.yankees and under 45 types just seem to swoon at a chance to call folks bigot

We southerners are so sick of hearing it directed at us from the preening class while our cities turn into Mogadishu that we would usually prefer death by a thousand cuts than have any satisfaction from ferreting out racism

When in reality white America except for a few of us has surrendered

Much less indulge in true National Alliance style racism

Those who fail to grasp culture seem most prone

Aren’t you a lawyer...i took the LSAT last century sometime

Accepted to Travis McGees under grad alma mater...713...1979 scoring system

Went to Bogota instead chasing a lovely from Santander

What a decidedly non anglocentric thing to do

When i came back to US fulltime in 1995

It was hard to swallow how stupid and weak so many had become

But that was only the beginning


77 posted on 03/18/2013 11:42:16 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy
Explain why the term wetback is racist?

It means someone wet from swimming the Rio Grande

Why is that racist?

Demeaning. Yes.

Is it racist to demean people who broke our laws to get here?
Thanks to sensitive folks we now call them undocumented workers or residents

I agree that using the term "undocumented worker" is a pathetic attempt to pander to them. I have consistently used the term "illegal immigrant," as you can see from this thread. You agree that the term "wetback" is demeaning, but it also gives Democratic Party operatives free ammunition. They can link to this page, to Tennessee Nana's remarks, and tell Latino voters that Republicans are racists.

Speaking in a more sensitive way when we are discussing Latinos and their issues costs us absolutely nothing. And it takes all that free ammunition out of the hands of those Democratic Party operatives.

I hate to ask but how old are you and where do you live?

I am 55...southerner obviously...
Peckerwood Christian....admittedly

I spent the first 20 very formative years of my life in Eureka, Illinois. It's the college home of Ronald Reagan. The whole county, and a region of several counties to the north where we went to church and have our extended family, is roughly 70% Reagan Republican. That's who I am.

And yes, we had real racists. When I was a kid, over in Pekin the Ku Klux Klan still had an active chapter. The high school team there was the Pekin Chinks. Now they're called the Pekin Dragons. Go figure.

I spent a few years in Las Cruces, New Mexico. Like you, I got "involved with many"; but I never married until long after I came back to the Midwest. There are reasons why so many American cities have names like El Paso, Las Cruces, Santa Fe, San Antonio, San Diego, Los Angeles and San Francisco. It's because Latinos were living there, working and owning the land and fearing God, for centuries before Americans came along.

Currently living in DuPage County, Illinois. Yeah, it's a suburb of Chicago. Jim Davis of the Daily Caller wrote that in DuPage County, we're far enough out that we can avoid getting sucked into the cesspool of corruption that is Chicago, but we're close enough that we can smell the stench. And our congressman is Pete Roskam, another Reagan Republican.

78 posted on 03/19/2013 1:49:51 AM PDT by Bryan
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To: AuntB
What is it you have a problem with in the survey? CIS didn’t take the poll!

That much is correct. CIS didn't take the poll; they're just spin-doctoring the results to make left-wingers feel comfortable, and make conservatives believe that there is no hope. The poll was actually taken by an organization named Latino Decisions.

Latino Decisions was founded, and is being run by a couple of left-wing La Raza type university professors, named Matt A. Barreto and Gary M. Segura. Barreto just finished writing a book called "Change They Can't Believe In: the Tea Party and Reactionary Politics in America." His bio page at the University of Washington reveals that he "has been invited multiple times to the White House to brief senior staff on Latino policy attitudes" since the Obama crime family moved in.

Gary M. Segura is the chairman of the Chicano Studies Department at Stanford University, in the San Francisco area. Read some of the garbage they write that isn't being constrained by an effort to seem non-partisan, and you'll realize that these are exactly the kind of people who make a living creating push polls for the Democratic Party.

... THEY are the ones coming, they won’t be loyal! THAT is the point, you little sissy!

Like so many people who are insensitive about race and damn proud of it, you assume that everybody who can trace family roots to Mexico in any way thinks and believes in exactly the same way. Mexicans are no more united in their thoughts and beliefs than white Americans.

The families who come here legally, or have been here for two or three generations (or even 10 or 12 generations) are generally God-fearing Republicans who are damn proud to be Americans, and generally their loyalty is to America.

Of course there are exceptions. Some of their kids go to the university, and get their skulls pumped full of BS by a bunch of left-wing ideologues. But that happens to a lot of white kids from Republican families too.

Then there are the La Raza types who are demanding that the southwestern United States must "reunite" with Mexico. That's one of those cases where they should be careful what they wish for. Just like white people, it's the left-wing partisans in the Latino communities who are the loudmouths, and it creates a lot of misconceptions. The left-wing La Raza types are generally recent immigrants, many of them illegal immigrants; and many of them involved in various illegal activities.

The legal Latinos who are so loyal to the Republican Party that they even voted for Mitt Romney would be a whole lot better off without the La Raza types. And they're very well aware of that fact.

79 posted on 03/19/2013 2:44:28 AM PDT by Bryan
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To: Bryan; Tennessee Nana; Liz; AuntB; wardaddy; Travis McGee; Squantos; skeeter; Pelham; ...
RE :” No solution is perfect. If they're working, that means they probably “get it.” Even Romney got 27% of the Latino vote. What makes you think all Latinos are going to have their hands out, demanding stuff from us? “

In that fantasy world Obama never got elected.
Plenty of people ‘work’ and vote Dem. Most people who voted for Obama had jobs.

What Hispanics ‘get’ is that Republicans offer tax cuts for (white) billionaires and Democrats offer THEM all sorts of $$$$ programs to help their poor kids, free school breakfasts, lunches, after school programs, food stamps. Obama-care/medicaid, tax credits, preschoool head start, minimum wage increaeses, ....its endless

They also ‘get’ that their relatives in Medico are not going to get those same bennes there, and 'they get' that Dems here tell them that they can just vote themselves a better life. They 'get' that Obama cares for them and their families because he offers $$$$

When the majority of Hispanics turn against gub redistribution then I will consider 'pathway'

80 posted on 03/19/2013 4:58:03 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: wardaddy
I can understand why Alinsky 'Rat moles would call anybody using the "wetback" term a racist. It's pure Alinsky, and to be expected from them.

But when "conservative" (sic) anglo types call us racists for using the term wetback, I think that they have been fully mind-melded and coopted into PC liberal borg-think.

Just what "race" is a wetback? It just describes an illegal who swam into the USA.

Just as what "race" is an islamic jihadist, or any muslim?

In 2002 when I wrote my first novel about the USA transforming into a police state, step by step, a lot of folks thought it was over the top, it could never happen here. "We're different. We're special."

Now, I get emails saying, "you were right, Matt," every damn day.

And now I say, and I will continue to say, that I don't think we'll even have 50 states under our present Constitution in 20 years--mainly thanks to our witting (and unwitting) open border Quisling traitors.

The unwitting category is well represented on this thread. They are the ones who believe that if you take a family just in from Chiapas to a 4th of July GOP rally, they will turn into Romney Republicans and reject the offered EBT card the 'Rats want to put into their hands. The EBT cards the 'Rats are literally advertising in Mexico, as a lure.

These pro-amnesty (whatever you want to call it) Republicans are utter fools, and I don't care how many sheepskins they hang on their walls.

But they won't listen, they'll just keep repeating their "It can't happen here!" American exceptionalism mantras.

Until reality hits them over the head with a 2X4, and their America is gone forever.


81 posted on 03/19/2013 5:31:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sickoflibs
What Hispanics ‘get’ is that Republicans offer tax cuts for (white) billionaires and Democrats offer THEM all sorts of $$$$ programs to help their poor kids, free school breakfasts, lunches, after school programs, food stamps. Obama-care/medicaid, tax credits, preschoool head start, minimum wage increaeses, ....its endless

Yeah exactly. Now you're starting to "get it." That's the distorted perception of reality that Democratic Party operatives have been teaching them in Spanish for the past 40 years. And from us, in Spanish, the Latinos hear ... nothing at all. They hear the static that you hear in between the radio stations when you turn the knob. We have nothing for them in Spanish.

We need to reach out to them with people who are fluent Spanish speakers and writers. Internet, radio, television (Univision is pretty much MSNBC with hot Latina babes, as someone has already pointed out), free weekly newspapers, direct mail, billboards, yard signs, bumper stickers, EVERYTHING.

Latinos need to be taught that the Democrats have been lying to them, and bankrupting the country, since before most of them were born. Somebody has to pay for those free school breakfasts, and even the white billionaires don't have that much money; the money is either borrowed (and your children and grandchildren will pay it back), or it's taxed out of the pockets of working men and women. They need to be taught that the GOP way gives the workers more money because they keeps more of their wages, rather than paying more in taxes; and that the GOP way creates more jobs, and better jobs for everyone.

Most of all, they need to be taught that as Reagan said, the best welfare program anyone ever invented is a job. Get a good job and you can buy all the education, health care, and housing you and your family will ever need. And the way to get good jobs is to get the Democratic Party's enormous government out of the way, and let entrepreneurs create the jobs.

82 posted on 03/19/2013 6:35:38 AM PDT by Bryan
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To: Bryan
RE :"Latinos need to be taught that the Democrats have been lying to them, and bankrupting the country, since before most of them were born. Somebody has to pay for those free school breakfasts, and even the white billionaires don't have that much money; the money is either borrowed (and your children and grandchildren will pay it back), or it's taxed out of the pockets of working men and women.

Already covered ,
Obama told them that he will make rich white priviledged men pay for it, those same men who made billions $$$ the past few years while their (latino) kids are hungry at night and have holes in their shoes.
...and they like that message, came out in numbers to make sure he was re-elected to make it happen.

Poll Shows Republican Involvement With Immigration Reform Won't Cause Latinos to Vote GOP, Unlikely that immigration reform will save GOP among Latinos By Lauren Fox (US News.com), March 18, 2013

Dont need anymore sad poverty cases voting.

83 posted on 03/19/2013 6:43:23 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: Travis McGee

Matt, I suspect you’re talking about me when you say that “unwitting open border Quisling traitors” are “well represented on this thread.” Review what I said. I’m opposed to a blanket amnesty program. And I haven’t called anyone a racist.

If the Republican Party continues on its current path with regard to Latinos, then the Republican Party is the Walking Dead. It just hasn’t fallen down yet.


84 posted on 03/19/2013 6:53:14 AM PDT by Bryan
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To: sickoflibs
Poll Shows Republican Involvement With Immigration Reform Won't Cause Latinos to Vote GOP, Unlikely that immigration reform will save GOP among Latinos By Lauren Fox (US News.com), March 18, 2013

Read what I said earlier about Latino Decisions, the organization that conducted the poll. Founded and run by a couple of left-wing La Raza type university professors named Barreta and Segura. Barreta has already written a book that's openly hostile to the Tea Party. Read what they've written that isn't constrained to make them sound non-partisan, and they sound exactly like David Axelrod.

Because most of the time, when they're not pumping young skulls full of left-wing BS in the classroom, that's who they're working for.

85 posted on 03/19/2013 6:58:10 AM PDT by Bryan
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To: Bryan

I got a bunch of grief here a month ago for suggesting that the GOP should propose a reform plan that offers some sort of legalization (with many requirements and limits) to those illegals who are now adults and were clearly brought here and raised here as children(those with a HS degree from a US school), as they are seen as victims by most Americans and will always be.

To propose something as an alternative to the amnesty club, something alternative to giving them the vote.

I got comments back saying that any child brought here to the USA illegally is a criminal themselves for touching the US soil, and they need to go ‘home’ even if they are 25 and had been here 20 years since 5(like that is a winning issue).

But I tried to explain that the GOP is terrified now thanks to Romney’s failures, just saying no to everything will result just in as VAWA and the tax bill passing with mostly Dem votes, something we really hate ,like illegals voting in GOP primaries.


86 posted on 03/19/2013 7:08:33 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: AuntB; raybbr; wardaddy; Tennessee Nana; TADSLOS; Grampa Dave; sickoflibs; thouworm; ...
We need to ponder these salient facts:

(1) Illegal immigrants have primitive survival instincts honed in corrupt Third World places where everything is for sale. The survivalist instincts of illegals DO NOT correspond to "labels" that we here in America consider sacrosanct---ie. conservatism. Illegalism is all about "what's in it for me, and who do I payoff to get it."

(2) I fear we are falling into Ohaha's cunning trap---he uses issues like immigration reform (and sequestration) as a wedge---to divide and conqueur. Ohaha and the Dims are salivating about total control---lying in wait to takeover the US govt. (3) Even if we were to stand foursquare with the GOP's embracing reform, it's much too late. The Dems are w-a-a-a-y ahead of us in mining votes from these immigrant groups---the Dims have been sucking up to latinos like crazy.

Dim Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi recently told Chris Wallace on Fox News, "It is almost a false argument (made by Repubs) to say that we have a spending problem (WRT sequestration)."
(TRANSLATION "And besides, we need trillions to subsidize all our "new citizens" who will vote---and make me Majority Leader, again---not to mention the billions in foreign aid we plan to give to all the countries on the other side of the border.")

TAKING ORDERS FROM THE THIRD WORLD IN EXCHANGE FOR VOTES
L-R--Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ); dual citizen Salomon Melgen, VOXXI Chman; Rep Nancy Pelosi (D-CAL) (all dolled up in the latest fashion); Francisco J. Sanchez, US Under Secy of Commerce for Intl Trade, Emilio Sanchez, Pres/CEO of VOXXI at the Ntl Assoc of Latino Elected and Appt Officials Gala in DC. (Photo/ Voxxi---Melgen's web site)

87 posted on 03/19/2013 7:46:49 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Bryan

We’re damned if we do or don’t. Demography is destiny, our traitors are following the UK plan and replacing the electorate with an imported welfare class. But I’d rather die in the last ditch fighting, than put my hands up and hope for the best from my captors.


88 posted on 03/19/2013 7:55:16 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: sickoflibs; Travis McGee
sickoflibs: I got a bunch of grief here a month ago for suggesting that the GOP should propose a reform plan ...

Yes, I've been getting that feeling on several FR threads recently. Clearly there are a lot of Freepers who think it will all be just fine and we'll win every election if we adopt a harsh Mitt Romney position, complete with harsh rhetoric delivered in a harsh tone, demanding that every illegal should be thrown on a bus in handcuffs, hauled to the border and dumped, accompanied by any children they brought with them, or had while they were here.

Travis McGee: We’re damned if we do or don’t. Demography is destiny ...

Yes, demography is destiny. That's why continuing to approach this problem the Mitt Romney way is a political suicide pact for the GOP. However, saying "We're damned if we do or don't" sounds a lot like you've fallen for the left-wing echo chamber's propaganda: that the Democratic Party's triumph can't be stopped, resistance is futile, and we should all just accept it and assimilate.

We need to drive a wedge between the legal Latinos on one side (our side), and the illegal Latinos and Democrats on the other side. Then we deport the illegals, with a few exceptions. Then we win.

89 posted on 03/19/2013 8:50:08 AM PDT by Bryan
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To: Bryan; Travis McGee
RE :”We need to drive a wedge between the legal Latinos on one side (our side), and the illegal Latinos and Democrats on the other side. Then we deport the illegals, with a few exceptions. Then we win.”

The GOP definitely has a problem in this as far as future elections.

How they will deal with-it without self destruction, much like the Reagan amnesty that generated many Dem voters of today, or the GOP civil war that McCain and GWB caused in 2006/2007, is beyond me.

It should be obvious too that the Romney strategy of running on 'self deportation' got hispanics to deport Romney from getting near the WH.

90 posted on 03/19/2013 9:16:59 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: sickoflibs
I got comments back saying that any child brought here to the USA illegally is a criminal themselves for touching the US soil, and they need to go ‘home’ even if they are 25 and had been here 20 years since 5(like that is a winning issue).

They should go through the same process that any immigrant does in order to gain citizenship.

91 posted on 03/19/2013 9:21:04 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
RE :”They should go through the same process that any immigrant does in order to gain citizenship”

Anyone in this country illegally at any time should be barred from citizenship unless they physically leave this country and immigrate legally as they should of.

Making them citizens makes no sense.

92 posted on 03/19/2013 9:27:02 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: raybbr

Amen!


93 posted on 03/19/2013 2:30:22 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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