Posted on 03/19/2013 6:18:04 AM PDT by Kaslin
The odd thing is, that really is the relevant question, not because the answer is self-evidently "no", but because, in light of the Fall, the answer to both "was he born thief?" and "was he born gay?" might both be "yes".
None of us are born having committed any particular sins -- we have not stolen when we are born, nor committed buggery, nor fornication, nor murder, and the like nor even the more nuanced underlying sins of covetousness, lust, wrath, or the like, but we are all born into the consequences of Adam's transgression. In that behavioral sense, no, the thief who objects his thievery is inborn would be wrong. But, that we might be born with an inborn besetting temptation is quite likely -- I suspect my own bad temper is inborn, but I will not attempt to argue "God made me wrathful, therefore wrath isn't a sin because I was born that way." The "born thief" may well be right that he was born with a besetting temptation to covetousness, indeed one so strong that without grace from God, struggling with it on his own, he "can't help himself" from stealing.
That a besetting temptation is inborn does not make yielding to that temptation not sinful. The correct answer to "I was born gay" is not "No you weren't", but "I'm sorry you have to struggle with temptations to the sin of buggery."
So, what other part of Scripture do you believe is in error?
I have no idea. No one that I am related to or know is a homosexual to my knowledge.
More like it’s all about self satisfaction.
Letting society determine that. What a misguided way to live. Society WILL, in the absence of absolute morals, devolve and in the end self-destruct. It has been demonstrated over and over in history.
We, as a nation (and society), have turned away from God, turned away from what He has said is good and right. We are now busy embracing all that has been called wrong or bad by God. I hope you find comfort for yourself in this coming destruction, because you are party to it, enabling it.
Nature (and power) abhor a vacuum. In the absence of God (who we have pushed away and turned away from), the Devil, or Satan will come to fill that moral void. And while God will leave when told (He is a gentleman, after all) the Devil will not. The payday is coming for this, for society has chosen who to follow.
My position, my view, is that following God will bring blessings beyond reckoning. However, refusing God and following the Devil, well, it will bring calamity and destruction beyond the wildest nightmare.
I don’t know it well enough to really say, but I don’t believe in virgin birth, resurrection of the dead, a man spending time in a whale’s stomach, an ass talking or sin and it’s forgiveness. There’s probably more that I’m not familiar with.
Society does determine these things. That’s how I believe God designed us. I believe we all follow God, He just gives us different paths, some which people have a hard time understanding.
I’ll apologize now for the upcoming destruction in case I don’t get a chance to later...sorry
No way they’d support efforts to isolate a ‘gay gene’. It’s the last thing in the WORLD that movement wants.
From that point forward, gay would be a genetic DEFECT. A sickness, for which there could be a cure, indeed through ‘gene therapy’.
You wonder why the Gates Foundation, and other big money groups don’t spend DIME ONE trying to find out? The entire liberal establishment would descend upon them like locusts spitting fire.
It would be the ultimate, ‘Gee, I told you so’ moment. It would also completely delegitimize psychology too. The head shrinkers quietly voted on whether it was a disease or normative, and narrowly voted on normative. It was literally a ‘Coke or Pepsi’ sort of debate, precisely because there is a virtual moratorium on research on the subject.
The gay mafia would be relegated to the rest of the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) lamers begging for money to accommodate their affliction. Problem with that is you don’t need a wheel chair ramp to keep it in your trou and get gene therapy.
The irony is that all of this hysteria went into making AIDS a livable disease, which is perfect for everyone involved - the pharmas get to coin on keeping the sick from getting sicker, but not exactly well; the gays get to keep their mafia; the left gets to keep their money.
Everybody wins.
Yes, society does determine what things will be allowed, even if these things to be allowed are wrong. In that case, society is wrong.
It is not possible to do or allow wrong and then claim to be right or just.
ok
So, you feel more inclined to believe the “wisdom” of man, the created, in lieu of the Creator? He who created the universe is unable to make a jackass talk? I hear them talking all around me throughout the day.
Homosexuality is a behavior, smoking is a behavior, Drinking is a behavior, stealing is a behavior, murdering is a behavior, lying is a behavior, working is a behavior, honesty is a behavior......................
Now lets discuss what behaviors are good which are not.
Then lets discuss the causes of behavior so we can change them or encourage them more ..................................
I didn’t say God can’t make that happen, I just don’t believe it did.
Do you believe God can create different truths for different individuals?
Although I am very skeptical about the existance of a “gay gene” if it did exist it would put the Left in a conundrum. In addition to the points you raise people will abort babies carrying the gene rather than carrying a gay child to term. The Left will want to call it genocide, but in doing so will be hoist on their own petard. On the whole the gay gene would be nothng but trouble for them.
No, but I believe people will conceive any sort of truth to cover their transgressions. Slavery would be an example.
Amen. As I've been saying repeatedly for quite a while: HOMOSEXUAL, because there's nothing GAY about it.
And I ain’t “straight.” I am normal.
Proclaiming yourself to be “normal” is now being treated as hate speech!
"malapropism" ... "ludicrous misuse of words"
...’He who created the universe is unable to make a jackass talk?’...
yet He cannot create different truths for different people!!??
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