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Even If Your Child Is Gay...
Townhall.com ^ | March 19, 2013 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 03/19/2013 6:18:04 AM PDT by Kaslin

Last week, Republican Senator Rob Portman of Ohio announced that he had reversed his position on same-sex marriage. The reason was that his son had come out to him and his wife as gay.

This is not the first such instance. Periodically, we hear about Republican politicians whose child announces that he or she is gay, prompting the parent to change his mind about the man-woman definition of marriage.

As a parent, I understand these parents. We love our children, and we want them to love us.

Nevertheless I differ with their decisions to support the redefinition of marriage.

In order to explain why, let's analyze some of Senator Portman's words:

"I'm announcing today a change of heart ... "

These words are well chosen. Senator Portman's position is indeed "a change of heart." That's why he didn't say "change of mind." His change comes from his heart.

In this regard, Portman speaks for virtually every progressive/left/liberal position on virtually every subject. To understand leftism -- not that the senator has become a leftist, but he has taken the left-wing position on redefining marriage -- one must understand that above all else leftism is rooted in emotion, not reason. That is why left-wing social positions always refer to compassion and fairness -- for blacks, for illegal immigrants, for poorer people and, of course, for gays. Whether a progressive position will improve or harm society is not a progressive question. That is a conservative question. What matters to progressives is whether a position emanates from compassion.

Progressives do not seem to recognize that in life there is always tension between standards and compassion. Standards, by definition, cannot allow for compassion for every individual. If society were to show compassion to every individual, it would have no standards. Speeding laws are not waived for the unfortunate soul who has to catch an important flight. Orchestral standards are not waived for the musician who has devoted his or her life to studying an instrument, is a wonderful person and needs the job to support a family.

It is either right to maintain the man-woman definition of our most important social institution, or is it not. We cannot base our decision on compassion for gays, whether the gay is our child, our sibling, our friend or anyone else.

Yes, societies have changed qualifications for marriage regarding age and number, but no society before the 21st century ever considered redefining the fundamental nature of marriage by changing the sexes. That is why it is not honest to argue that same-sex marriage is just another redefinition. It is the most radical change to the definition of marriage in the history of civilization.

How then should people of compassion deal with this, or any other, issue? By asking whether we maintain standards or whether we change them because of compassion. Do we change universities' academic standards out of compassion for blacks and their history of persecution, or do we maintain college admission standards? Do we change military standards in order to enable women to enter fighting units or do we ask only what is the best policy to maintain military excellence?

The only answer that works -- and no answer is perfect in this imperfect world -- is to maintain standards in the macro and show compassion in the micro.

Every parent owes the same love and support to a gay child as to a straight child. In fact, all of us, parents or not, owe the same respect to gays as individuals as to heterosexual individuals. That does not mean, however, that marriage needs to be redefined. It does not mean that, all things being equal, it is not best for a child to have a male and female parent.

Compassion was the reason Senator Portman raised another issue: "My son," he said, "told us he was gay, and that it was not a choice."

This raises an obvious question. Prior to his son telling him that he did not choose to find men sexually attractive, did Senator Portman believe that gay men did choose to find men rather than women sexually attractive? Unlikely.

So why did he raise this? Because the "gays have no choice" issue tugs at people's hearts. Once again, compassion individual is supposed to trump all other considerations.

Finally, the senator also said:

"During my career in the House and the last couple of years in the Senate, I've taken a position against gay marriage rooted in part in my faith and my faith tradition." But he has been "rethinking my position, talking to my pastor and other religious leaders."

It would be interesting to find out what exactly his Christian pastor said to him. Did the pastor tell him that Christianity looks favorably on man-man marriage? Or that God made men and women essentially interchangeable? If so, why didn't this pastor tell this to the senator the whole time the senator opposed same-sex marriage?

A final note to parents of gays: Parents who believe in the man-woman definition of marriage do not owe it to their gay child to support the same-sex redefinition of marriage -- any more than gay children owe it to these parents to oppose same-sex marriage. Parents and children owe each other love and respect, not abandonment of convictions.


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1 posted on 03/19/2013 6:18:04 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The son said he was “born gay”....daddy is dumb.


2 posted on 03/19/2013 6:21:55 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Kaslin

We’re not allowed to drop our standards simply because they inconvenience some individuals or appear to be too harsh. Either we have marriage as an institution or we don’t. Conservatives who don’t understand this fundamental fact of life understand nothing.

If we dismantle the basic building block of our society, its hard to see how it will benefit men and women and children. If compassion is the rule that trumps everything else in social policy both morality and the social order will dissolve. The stakes for the future of this country in the end is about what kind of country we will be.


3 posted on 03/19/2013 6:26:01 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Kaslin

I guess if my child became a thief, I would embrace thievery as wholesome. Murder, sure. Adultery, good for you. The wages of sin is death and Mr. Portman ain’t the judge.


4 posted on 03/19/2013 6:26:10 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Kaslin

Prager writes “Periodically, we hear about Republican politicians whose child announces that he or she is gay.”

Yeah, statistically I’d say about one percent of Republican children are born with homosexual wiring. Same as the general population.


5 posted on 03/19/2013 6:31:59 AM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: crusty old prospector

was he “born thief”?

heh


6 posted on 03/19/2013 6:32:28 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: crusty old prospector

We can love the sinner and hate the sin at the same time. It might be one thing if there were genetic markers in DNA that caused homosexuality but everything I’ve seen seems to point to outside environmental influences but then again I’m not gay so what do I know?


7 posted on 03/19/2013 6:33:23 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Kaslin

I don’t see the relevance of his son’s sexual desires to the definition of the word “marriage”.


8 posted on 03/19/2013 6:34:15 AM PDT by Pollster1
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To: Kaslin

“Parents and children owe each other love and respect, not abandonment of convictions.” Very, very well put.


9 posted on 03/19/2013 6:34:16 AM PDT by trustandhope ("Respect Life")
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To: Sacajaweau

The son said he was “born gay”....daddy is dumb.

The alternative would be that his environment caused him to be gay, including the role of his father. It’s best that the father play the innocent victim of fate.


10 posted on 03/19/2013 6:35:31 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: crusty old prospector

Portman forgot that sins don’t change simply because the times do.

If your child is gay, yes you should love your child but that doesn’t mean giving up deeply held moral beliefs to spare your child pain. Portman forgets the fundamental duty of a parent is to make sure their child makes the right choices in life, not to shield their child from those choices.

We live in a culture that prioritizes compassion. But its not always for the good of society - the good Portman overlooked in a bid to spare his son’s feelings.


11 posted on 03/19/2013 6:38:05 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Kaslin

Whenever this comes up in conversations with friends, I try to point out nicely that I have never heard a soon-to-be parent say “I hope he/she will be gay...”.


12 posted on 03/19/2013 6:38:49 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Kaslin
homosexuality is simply a mental condition and should be treated as such.

Can it be cured? my guess is that is some it can be, but in others it must simply be repressed much like the urge most men feel to cheat on their wives with young attractive women.

We are not animals, we are men. We have a CHOICE to act on our impulses or not, we are not slaves to every urge we have.

13 posted on 03/19/2013 6:40:15 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Kaslin
Mr. Prager confuses compassion with empathy.

There is a reason the Greek root for the latter is "pathos," a sickness, a disease.

14 posted on 03/19/2013 6:41:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: duckworth
Yeah, statistically I’d say about one percent of Republican children are born with homosexual wiring. Same as the general population.

Claiming that people are born guy is liable to get one in trouble around here... I personally think the government should get out of the marriage business. I was married in a church, not a courthouse, and don't consider my marriage a matter for government interference.
15 posted on 03/19/2013 6:42:56 AM PDT by Flightdeck (My four children have been robbed)
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To: Kaslin
Okay, fine. Good, good, good.

So now Mr. Portman has the undying respect and admiration of the Godless Left.

I suppose now they will embrace his stance on taxes, the size and scope of government, the second amendment, illegal immigration, etc.

I don't even know where Mr. Portman stands on these issues, but that's beside the point. How come he hasn't become the go-to guy on them?

16 posted on 03/19/2013 6:44:41 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Kaslin

Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do.


17 posted on 03/19/2013 6:45:10 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Kaslin

This is a rather common event with families that have homosexual kids. It’s the easy way. Are there really parents out there who desire that their child miss out on the joy and fullness of a true marriage with the opposite sex and the blessing of children? Or are they just accommodating their child’s behavior? Every parent wants their child to love and be loved, but what if little Jimmy or Suzie brought home a sheep? It’s not the same. The parents are settling for less with their child.


18 posted on 03/19/2013 6:47:07 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: TexasFreeper2009
> Can it be cured? my guess is that is some it can be, but in others it must simply be repressed much like the urge most men feel to cheat on their wives with young attractive women.

Bingo!

And the world is filled with faithful men who manage to maintain their fidelity, despite sexual desires pointing them in the direction of sin.

19 posted on 03/19/2013 6:48:15 AM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: jsanders2001

Compassion is not affirming someone in sinful, destructive behavior. If Portman truly loves his son, he will work for the salvation of his soul and seek counseling and help for him.

IMHO, Portman is feeling guilty for not being there for his son and is partly to blame for his son’s same sex attraction. Now he’s trying to make good.


20 posted on 03/19/2013 6:48:16 AM PDT by reegs
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To: goldstategop

If they are your standards, you should be able to do anything with them, shouldn’t you?


21 posted on 03/19/2013 6:49:35 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: OldNavyVet

For this reason, God gave them over...


22 posted on 03/19/2013 6:49:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: crusty old prospector

That’s just dumb. Can’t you think for yourself? Just because you may have a change of heart on one thing, certainly doesn’t mean you have a change of heart on everything, does it?


23 posted on 03/19/2013 6:51:15 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: reegs

> IMHO, Portman is feeling guilty for not being there for his son and is partly to blame for his son’s same sex attraction. Now he’s trying to make good.

I think you make a good point there.


24 posted on 03/19/2013 6:53:25 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Kaslin

Last week, Republican Senator Rob Portman of Ohio announced that he had reversed his position on same-sex marriage. The reason was that his son had come out to him and his wife as gay.


Let me reword that to give it some perspective:

Last week, Republican Senator Rob Portman of Ohio announced that he had reversed his position on Murder. The reason was that his son had come out to him and his wife as a murderer.

We had concerns that one of my daughters was being influenced by her homosexual friends to become one. She even lived with her female college basketball coach and the coaches femal lover. And she roomed with a homosexual girl that had a crush on her during her last years at the university.

Interestingly, she rebelled against it. In fact, she and I were discussing the “it gets better” videos on you tube and her response was, “no it doesn’t”. This comes from her several years of dealing with these people and their personalities and lifestyles and discovering that the whole thing is seriously, as one might say, f***ed up.

However, coming to grips with what I was seeing, I never changed my position on homosexuality. In fact, it strengthened it. And my position is summed up in my rewording of the original statement above.


25 posted on 03/19/2013 6:53:53 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

They are sexual predators....It’s the only way they can keep their numbers up.


26 posted on 03/19/2013 6:59:37 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: duckworth

Fags have us so snowed, it isn’t funny. They make up less than three percent of the population, but they practically own pop culture, and have people, even rational, reasonable people, thinking that they’re 20% of the population.


27 posted on 03/19/2013 7:01:12 AM PDT by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Sacajaweau

We are all born sinners. Different people have different pet sins. Alcoholics, pedophiles, compulsive firestarters (pyromaniacs), nymphomaniacs, etc., etc. will all tell you they were born that way. That doesn’t make it right or acceptable to act out on those compulsive urges.


28 posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:05 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Kaslin

If my son was a druggie I wouldn’t want free drugs for druggies, if he was an alcoholic I wouldn’t want free booze for alcoholics.

While I would hate for my son to be homosexual I would still love him but I wouldn’t encourage him and I wouldn’t accept that it was normal and try to make it appear to be normal.


29 posted on 03/19/2013 7:07:50 AM PDT by tiki
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To: AppyPappy

“his environment caused him to be gay,”

Exactly! The environment where another male has his _ _ _ _ up his _ _ _ or in his mouth. First one orifice then the other.

The environment at roadside rest stop bathrooms.

It’s about the erotic perverse SEX! (the “turn on”), it’s not about a normal alternative lifestyle. It’s ABNORMAL. NOT “normal”. It’s a learned behavior. It’s a CHOICE. Is the perpetrator of a rape making a choice or was he born that way? Born a rapist? You say “nonsense”, but being born gay is so believable. Homosexuals are making a choice to sin. That _ _ _ _ didn’t “fall” into your mouth or _ _ _. You put it there or allowed theirs to be. DISGUSTING! And then you kiss your mother.


30 posted on 03/19/2013 7:09:18 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: tiki

Great points on all, especially that you would still love him


31 posted on 03/19/2013 7:14:47 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I doubt it’s the same to a homosexual...you still have a wife to fulfill those needs even if you are attracted to another woman.


32 posted on 03/19/2013 7:18:12 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Kaslin

Clearly, homosexuality is a perverse CHOICE made by bad people who are attracted to evil. It is the same Satanic impulse that leads people to support Obamacare or other social “welfare” programs. The goal always is the destruction of Christian society. If we are to survive, we need to be true to GOD’S LAW and deal with evil, homosexual perverts in the way God’s word commands us.


33 posted on 03/19/2013 7:19:20 AM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: stuartcr
I see no reason why a homosexual inclined man couldn't just find a very manly woman to marry. Or that a lesbian couldn't find a very feminine man, heck! I hear Ryan Seacreast is available!
34 posted on 03/19/2013 7:21:04 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Kaslin
I thought Dennis had better sense than write a piece like this.

Is he ignorant enough to really believe no society ever considered normalization of homosexuality before the 21st century? There is ancient and medieval history that says otherwise.

He writes, "It is either right to maintain the man-woman definition of our most important social institution, or is it not. We cannot base our decision on compassion for gays, whether the gay is our child, our sibling, our friend or anyone else."

Yet he concedes changes in civil marriage have happened regard to race, number and even age but never explains why those were rational, conservative changes. After all those represented changes from tradition. In fact earlier he suggests they may not have been when he says it was done out of progressive claims of fairness. He sabotages his own argument.

Marriage is horribly broken as a social institution and we are wasting far too much time on the gays and spending NO TIME on why the failure rate is so high which is a far more destructive to progeny and societal cohesion than whether a same sex partner can draw on the others Social Security.

As a society, we've just accepted how fractured heterosexual marriage is now and stood idly by as the baby mama / baby daddy culture took root. More people trying to get into committed, legally sanctioned relationships? Bad. Evil. Satan worshipping. People making a mess of their lives and their children's lives? The OK, new normal.

35 posted on 03/19/2013 7:22:55 AM PDT by newzjunkey (bah)
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To: faucetman

You oversimplify. Most of the gays I know are drama queens and attention whores. It’s less about sex and more about playing the victim.


36 posted on 03/19/2013 7:24:36 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

It’s no wonder they are always so unhappy. I wish I had a dime for every gay person I know that threatens suicide. They treat it like a Valium.


37 posted on 03/19/2013 7:26:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: stuartcr
I doubt it’s the same to a homosexual...you still have a wife to fulfill those needs even if you are attracted to another woman.

You must be one of those morally ambivalent libertarians.

Homosexual sex is self destructive societally and individually.

38 posted on 03/19/2013 7:29:55 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: goldstategop
If my child came to me and said that he was gay, I'd still love him just the same. But, I'd always wonder what it was that I did wrong, or what I could/should have done differently.

Saying, "Meh, I changed my mind." spares Portman that difficult phase of introspection.

39 posted on 03/19/2013 7:31:48 AM PDT by wbill
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To: DBeers

I agree, but I just don’t think a homosexual sees it like a heterosexual does.


40 posted on 03/19/2013 7:35:49 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Kaslin

I’ve thought about this over the years. I don’t believe that homosexual attraction is something one is born with. I’ve known one person in my life whom I think was probably of that persuasion as a young child. My kids referred to him with female pronouns and that was when they were three and four years old. I’ve been involved through my husband and kids with a lot of the music and theater culture. So I’ve known a lot of people who have made that choice. So I think it’s a choice. But I also think that there are a lot of bad choices right now that the 20 and 30 somethings are making. So if one of my children came to me with this declaration I would tell him/her that in my opinion it was a poor choice and not a good way to find the way to salvation. I would then ask when he/she would be at the Easter brunch and that he/she could invite a friend. I can only remember one time when a guest engaged in inappropriate PDA in my home and that was my former business partner and his skanky girlfriend. Did I mention “former”?

So in other words, I’m pretty sure such a “coming out” would not change my mind or my heart but I haven’t banished any family members so far because of poor choices so I don’t think I would start. When I last saw a long time friend and his boyfriend, I told them “God bless you both and take care of each other.” Now in my opinion, a blessing from God will help each move away from this attraction but that’s up to Him.


41 posted on 03/19/2013 7:38:28 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: matginzac
Whenever this comes up in conversations with friends, I try to point out nicely that I have never heard a soon-to-be parent say “I hope he/she will be gay...”.

Considering the national trajectory that we are on you soon will.

42 posted on 03/19/2013 7:40:08 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: stuartcr

And so now, in addition to seeing the ‘good’ in abortion (after all, it reduces the ‘cost’ of caring for all those children), you even see the ‘necessity’ for perverse sexual behavior, just to ‘fulfill those needs’ of course.

Wrong is wrong, you can not change it. And this behavior is wrong, in fact it is called an abomination, right alongside bestiality.


43 posted on 03/19/2013 7:40:54 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Flightdeck

That’s a good idea, but the reality is, ultimately government or everyday people don’t want their definitions or beliefs left alone. Polygamists could tell you full well that the government wants to leave them alone, when they avoid bothering with marriage licenses for their relationships, and so on.


44 posted on 03/19/2013 7:41:33 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: OldNavyVet
Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do.

Are you sure about that? I think they know precisely what they are doing, and Who it is done against. And He will not be silent forever.

45 posted on 03/19/2013 7:42:32 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: jsanders2001

I often ask the question that if there were genetic markers for homosexuality, would the left support the right of parents to decide to abort their unborn child? Afterall, at the rate homosexuality occurs in a population, it could be considered a genetic defect much like Down’s Syndrome. What a quandry for liberals and probably for some conservatives too. ;-)


46 posted on 03/19/2013 7:44:00 AM PDT by CityCenter (No matter how good your PR is, you can't outsmart the truth.)
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To: Sacajaweau; All

There is a Biblical answer, though the follow thru is hard.

Because of Abraham’s faith in God, he was willing to put even his son Isaac to death for the sake of his faith in God! Christ said he came to bring not peace but a sword and that even families would be divided for his sake.

Even if some in one’s family should decide they will be immoral and not follow Christ despite one’s best efforts then in the end that parent must follow Christ above all else.

A son or daughter coming out as gay should not lead one to abandon God’s priciples not matter what sort of pressures, manipulations, blame being put one one over parental mistakes made in the past...ect. At some point each person becomes accountable for their own actions before God.

A father might at times may need to cut off an errant one from damaging the rest of his family. Some parents have even killed homicidal children who were an immediate threat to the rest of their own kin. Good parenting is no guarantee that each child will come out perfectly. Yet what ever happens, Christ must not be abandoned.


47 posted on 03/19/2013 7:47:25 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: Mercat

I passed off as “feminine” for a lot of my childhood, got derided, and so on. But I did turn out to be a very capable husband, after a while. I think part of it, was they mistook my social awkwardness from trying to deal with Asperger’s Syndrome as something that was homosexual attraction, anyways, I do feel that the causality for same-sex attraction is complicated and may actually vary from person to person.

I do feel that some people may have a stronger likelihood for developing attraction to the same gender based on early developmental factors, but that’s just my speculation.


48 posted on 03/19/2013 7:49:36 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: jsanders2001

That environmental influence could have something to do with going to Yale where everything this young man was taught got turned upside down.


49 posted on 03/19/2013 7:50:24 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: wbill

So you really don’t think he went through a difficult phase of introspection? Is it because the conclusion he came to wasn’t the same as yours?

Perhaps you two are different?


50 posted on 03/19/2013 7:53:10 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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