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Posted on 03/20/2013 2:20:33 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
Bets open on Turkeys first fighter aircraft
ANKARA - Hürriyet Daily News
Turkish arms manufacturer TAI has signed a technical assistance deal with Swedish Saab to build a fighter jet, but analysts remain skeptical about the feasibility of an indigenous Turkish fighter
It is no secret that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has been passionate about two made in Turkey vehicles: a car and a fighter aircraft. Interestingly, Turkish officials have found one company that builds both and could help Turkey design and develop indigenous models. Talks with Swedens Saab for a Turkish fighter jet are inching forward but industry sources and analysts remain skeptical.
Turkish officials have been in talks with Saab (and with Korean Aerospace Industries) to find the best modality for this ambitious project since 2010 and 2011. In August 2011, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM), signed a deal with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) to carry out the conceptual design work for fighter and jet trainer aircraft Turkey hopes to build.
In recent months a Turkish delegation, including SSM officials, visited Saab headquarters and production facilities in Sweden. And more recently, TAI and Saab penned a preliminary agreement for technical assistance which will pave the way for a subsequent support deal. As part of the planned agreement, TAI is expected to acquire Saabs aircraft design tools.
Designing the first ever Turkish fighter, according to defense analysts, is a necessary but not critical step. What is crucial here is whether this project would enable Turkey to earn capabilities to successfully integrate avionics, electronics and weapon systems into the chosen platform, a London-based analyst said.
Saab is the maker of the JAS 39 Gripen, a lightweight single-engine multi-role fighter. It was designed to replace the Saab 35 Draken and 37 Viggen in the Swedish Air Force (Flygvapnet). Saab has cooperated with other aerospace companies in marketing the aircraft internationally, and has achieved moderate success in Central Europe, South Africa and Southeast Asia. More than 240 Gripens have been delivered or ordered.
In 2010, Sweden awarded Saab a four-year contract to improve the Gripens equipment, integrate new weapons, and lower its operating costs. In August, Sweden announced it planned to buy 40 to 60 Gripen NG. The Swedish order followed Switzerlands decision to buy 22 of the E/F variants.
US dependency on fighters
For its fighter program, dubbed the TF-X, Turkey hopes to copy the modality it had devised to co-produce the T-129 attack helicopters with the Italian-British AgustaWestland. We think this model has worked successfully and could be a template for our fighter program, said one aviation official. But defense sources here said the program was exposed to the risk of a prolonged conceptual design and this would make the whole project not very meaningful.
Turkey hopes to fly its national fighter by 2023. This is not a realistic target, said one source. If the conceptual design work takes about seven to eight years from now on, the technology on which the design will be based would be too old at the production stage. You may need a time machine to efficiently use the aircraft.
Major weapons makers are also cautious and skeptical. We wanted to help Turkey out with its ambitions to design and develop its own fighter jet. But we had to step back when we understood that the technical requirements for the aircraft are far from being realistic, said a top official from a Western aircraft maker.
Another Western defense executive commented: We have been working with the Turks for decades. And we fear Turkey may end up keeping an arsenal of second-class weapons systems built at home at exorbitant prices.
Turkey, whose present fighter fleet is made up of U.S.-made aircraft, also plans to buy the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, a next-generation, multinational program also led by the United States. But Turkish officials say they want to develop another future jet fighter with a country other than the United States to reduce Turkeys overdependence on Washington.
Looks like a 30 year old trainer
“As God as my witness, I thought Turkeys could fly!” —Herb Tarlek
Well, if Iran could do it, why not Turkey?
(rolls eyes) ;-)
I thought it might be a real turkey with bombs strapped under its’ wings.....
So will it be a Turkey Vulture or Turkey Buzzard?
All turkey vultures are buzzards but not all buzzards are not turkey vultures.
The important question regarding Turkish defense is if Russia attacks Turkey from the rear will Greece Help?
The quote was actually uttered by the “Big Guy”, Arthur Carlson.
The Gripen is what the Czech Air Force uses as its primary fighter. They chose it over American aircraft. Apparently the Swedes made the Czechs a better deal. It’s a good plane.
I understand the Turks are also on board for the F35.
I don’t see that happening as Russia-Turkish relations are at an all-time high, thanks mostly to Medvedev who did a lot to improve bilateral relations between the two countries. The Russians are currently building a nuclear plant in Akkuyu for the Turks.
What happens if Russia tries to coax Turkey and/or Greece to leave NATO? Does NATO allow countries to voluntarily leave?
I’m sure it’s serviceable. Probably economical to operate. Hardly cutting edge.
>>>All turkey vultures are buzzards but not all buzzards are not turkey vultures.
The important question regarding Turkish defense is if Russia attacks Turkey from the rear will Greece Help?<<<
Do you mean will Greece help Russia or be neutral?:)
>>>I dont see that happening as Russia-Turkish relations are at an all-time high, thanks mostly to Medvedev who did a lot to improve bilateral relations between the two countries. The Russians are currently building a nuclear plant in Akkuyu for the Turks.<<<
Exactly, but it is mostly business-to-business relations. AFAIK, Russia is also a second largest trading partner for Turkey, after Germany.
As for governments, their relations are pretty cold.
Not enough to make a war anyway.
———if Russia attacks Turkey from the rear will Greece Help?-——
Greece = grease
It’s an old joke...