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BIG BROTHER IS BRIBING SNITCHES (Andrew Cuomo)
boblonsberry.com ^ | 03/21/13 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 03/21/2013 6:18:48 AM PDT by shortstop

Andy is fighting back.

As tens of thousands of New Yorkers have declared they will not comply with his massive gun ban, he has decided to play hardball.

I’m talking about Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York. At the first of the year, he rammed through a toughest-in-the-nation gun ban that criminalizes tens of thousands of law-abiding New Yorkers.

Guns and magazines they’ve owned for years suddenly became illegal, and a massive registration scheme was foisted upon them. Upset and resistance were widespread and immediate.

And a couple of weeks ago, a few thousand salt-of-the-earth New Yorkers gathered on the grounds of the state Capitol and shouted that they would not comply.

Like Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr., they pledged civil disobedience to an unjust and immoral law. They chose obedience to Constitution over subjection to its perversion.

Across upstate, a handful of sheriffs – whose association had denounced the law – said that they would not enforce it.

That showed the governor he had a problem.

Most elected officials would have dealt with that with outreach, by trying to make peace, by at least giving his opponents a fair hearing.

But Andrew Cuomo isn’t most elected officials.

He is a special breed of cat.

So he’s offering a reward.

Specifically, his administration is offering a $500 reward to anyone who gives police a tip that leads to someone’s arrest for possessing an illegal gun.

He criminalizes law-abiding citizens, they resist his efforts, he hires their neighbors to turn them in.

For years, thugs and drug dealers have been gunning people down on the streets. For years, rampant urban violence has been a cancer in New York’s cities.

And there was no reward.

No $500 to induce one thug to turn another in.

But there’s a new gun law, and this new initiative, and anyone who dares resist the governor’s dictate needs to fear everyone around him.

Here’s how it works.

A toll-free number has been established. State troopers will answer it around the clock. People will call, anonymously, and report folks who have an illegal gun.

Like your turkey shotgun with the newly outlawed thumb-hole stock, or the high-capacity magazine that came with your pistol when you bought it in Pennsylvania.

The troopers will pass that tip to the law-enforcement agency in the community where the alleged gun owner lives. The state will later contact that agency to see how worthwhile the tip was. At the end of the investigation, the state will expect a report from the agency on how it went.

I think that’s meant to make sure the local agency doesn’t blow off the tip.

If there is an arrest, the state will pay $500 to the person who gave the tip.

I’m not sure where the Fourth Amendment fits in all this. Apparently, uncorroborated anonymous tips are going to be considered probable cause to make someone the subject of a state-monitored police investigation. That would presumably include some sort of search warrant. How can you find out, for example, if someone has an illegal gun without going through their property and possessions?

Sounds like a great way to screw with somebody.

Sounds like a great way to shred the Constitution.

Sounds like a great way to turn people against one another and to turn every busybody or disaffected brother-in-law into a narc.

But Andy is that serious about guns, and the people who own them.

Apparently, a lot more serious than he is about rape, murder and child molesting.

Because I don’t find any reference anywhere to a New York state program where you are offered a reward for turning in rapists, killers or pedophiles.

Rape and murder a child, and the state does not offer a reward for your arrest. Have a shotgun with a collapsible stock – like those sold all across America – and there’s $500 on your head.

It seems like the state is more interested in suppressing your freedom than it is in protecting victims’ lives. It seems like New York doesn’t want to catch criminals, it wants to catch grampas.

And it is willing to pay snitches to do it.

Just like Big Brother.

And Hitler and Stalin.

Turn the people against one another, make sycophants the servile tattletales of an angry and powerful state.

And pay people to spy on one another.

That’s Andrew Cuomo’s America.


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Again, another liberal proves that this is no longer our America.
1 posted on 03/21/2013 6:18:48 AM PDT by shortstop
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To: shortstop

I’m incredulous that we have simply allowed these disgusting sacks of puke to repeatedly ignore and violate the Constitution of the United States.


2 posted on 03/21/2013 6:21:46 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: shortstop

How Hitlerian of him. That New Yorkers should vote for this Mafia family to rule over them and take away their rights is absurd. Blue State voters don’t deserve any respect.


3 posted on 03/21/2013 6:22:00 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: shortstop
We could harness this for our own purposes by snitching on illegal immigrants claiming the have illegal guns.
4 posted on 03/21/2013 6:23:16 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: shortstop

That showed the governor he had a problem.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Cuomo has no idea about the problem he has created. Committees of Safety are now being secretely organized in New York, and associated Committees of Correspondence.

This is indeed Nationalist Socialism, the polite words for Fascism. Cuomo has a bleeding heart excuse to disarm New Yorkers, and knuckle under to criminals and insanity to remove the 2nd amendment rights of New Yorkers.

A huge social conflict is about to assail Mr. Cuomo. His days as a politician are numbered.He is a chickensh*t coward of a politician.


5 posted on 03/21/2013 6:24:58 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: shortstop

It sounds like our New York Freepers had better get busy flooding the system. A group of a few dozen folks with time on their hands could make enough calls to paralyze them. When 99% of the calls turn up nothing at all and take the cops on one wild goose chase after another it will end quickly.


6 posted on 03/21/2013 6:28:19 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
We could harness this for our own purposes by snitching on illegal immigrants claiming the have illegal guns.

Yeah, if we knew their real identities. The ones that are stable enough that you can identify them aren't the real bad actors.

7 posted on 03/21/2013 6:32:42 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: shortstop
Give up that pop-tart!


NOW!!!



8 posted on 03/21/2013 6:33:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: shortstop

Snitches get stitches.


9 posted on 03/21/2013 6:33:36 AM PDT by jjones9853
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Or, when your neighbor walks outside with a rake, call in that he has an assault weapon. “But officer, it sure looked like a gun.” Several thousand of those a day might take the wind out of their sails.


10 posted on 03/21/2013 6:33:45 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: shortstop

It should be an epic shootout for the 2016 Dem nomination with Cuomo, Hillary, and SlowJoe.


11 posted on 03/21/2013 6:34:47 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Candor7
He is a chickensh*t coward of a politician.

Like most voters who put him there and citizens who pay his salary.

When do we stop blaming the politicians and start looking at the enablers?

12 posted on 03/21/2013 6:36:32 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

No, we non- NY State citizens need to punish all of NY State by removing all sales of ammunition and firearms starting with the State Police and all Government in NY State on down to the citizens. No partiality shown.

NY State has gun control cancer and it need to be treated harshly, it has Gun Control AIDS and needs to be quarentined. Time for the free market to apply maximum pressure on the Head thug in that State. Alinsky Cuomo. He will be running in 2016. Lie-awhatha Warren will be his VP.

Make it all Andrew Cuomo’s fault. Call or e-mail ATK today and demand that ATK stop all firearms and ammuntion sales to NY State. Call Glock, Remington, SIG, etc....


13 posted on 03/21/2013 6:41:56 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper; shortstop
It sounds like our New York Freepers had better get busy flooding the system. A group of a few dozen folks with time on their hands could make enough calls to paralyze them. When 99% of the calls turn up nothing at all and take the cops on one wild goose chase after another it will end quickly.

RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
(This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

~ Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals

14 posted on 03/21/2013 6:43:33 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Old Sarge

The rules
RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
How: NY State Boycott of all arms and ammunition, starting with NY State Government, local Government and all NY State Citizens/Taxpayers/Serfs
RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
We all know firearms and the Second Amendment. Time to say NO to the Bullies in NY State!
RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
NY State Government will be clueless on how to handle a boycott by Industry initiated by Taxpayers from the other “56” States.
RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
No Rights to own Firearms for Citizens = No Rights, exemptions, or any other weasel language to possess Firearms or ammunition for Government Employees anywhere in NY
If a NY State Citizen cannot buy the firearms/magazines/ammunition…. Nor can a Government Entity or Government Employee in NY State
RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It is irrational. It is infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
Call Andrew Cuomo, he owns: your lack of Rights, your lack of security, or lack of ammunition or lack of firearms
RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
For those of us outside of NY State: More product available and we end this gun control issue for a while
For those in NY State: Think of this as Chemo-therapy for gun control cancer; the process is not very enjoyable, but the results of killing off the gun control cancer are worth it.
Enjoy watching the NY State bureaucrats squirm and fuss
Enjoy watching the anti- gun types freak when the Government is not armed either! Que Mike Bloomberg, NY Police Union types and the UN idiots “guns for our security now! While leaving the taxpayers un-armed”
ENJOY ANDREW COUMO GET POUNDED ON ALL SIDES and watch his 2016 chances go away!


15 posted on 03/21/2013 6:49:50 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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To: shortstop
We all knew this was coming. Disarming the public means the government is up to no good...


16 posted on 03/21/2013 6:50:07 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: shortstop

People should just call in and report whenever they see some celebrity or politician with their bodyguards.


17 posted on 03/21/2013 6:51:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: shortstop

Flood the system with bogus calls. Report children who chew Pop Tarts into forbidden shapes. Narc on crooks you see on TV and in movies. Call the cops on cops. Do it from a pay phone and give them Nancy Pelosi’s name.

Drown these would-be tyrants in their own folly.


18 posted on 03/21/2013 6:54:38 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: shortstop
I hear Cuomo is giving free mousepads to every NYS citizen.


19 posted on 03/21/2013 6:55:08 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: shortstop

We now have an East Germany in the Western Hemisphere...it is called “New York”.


20 posted on 03/21/2013 6:59:59 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: shortstop

“Guns and magazines they’ve owned for years suddenly became illegal”

I don’t GET it.

You buy something LEGALLY and spend your MONEY on it. The State then changes its mind and declares it ILLEGAL and deprives you of a legally obtained asset without fair compensation.

Isn’t this an ex-post facto law? Isn’t that un constituional?

Isn’t this sort of like “eminent domaine” without adequate compensation?

Have we ever pursued this argument in the courts?


21 posted on 03/21/2013 7:02:07 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: shortstop

Ground Zero?


22 posted on 03/21/2013 7:04:40 AM PDT by lakeman (Semper Fi)
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To: shortstop
Simple solution: Report every liberal you suspect of possessing an illegal weapon. Do it daily from phone booths or throw-away cell phones. Let New York deal with the continuous "snitch" calls and see how long it lasts. The socialists will drop this nonsense in a NY minute. Watch.

Greenwich Village is a prime target for those who possess now unlawful weapons. If I lived there, I would make it my civic responsibility to rat on every liberal I believed to have a gun - and many do.

23 posted on 03/21/2013 7:12:57 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: shortstop

So, take names and make calls. At $500 a pop, 10 calls a day means that you could be making $25000 per week.

Just get a ton of names of people who live in urban zones, where the illegal guns are in numbers, and start reporting them.

Snitching could be an awesome career choice.


24 posted on 03/21/2013 7:16:55 AM PDT by lurk
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To: lurk

LOL, and in the end it was be the Al Sharptons who will demand the end of the program because it is racist.


25 posted on 03/21/2013 7:17:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ZULU
With notable exceptions,

Fourth circuit gets it right

judicial activism has infected our courts.

26 posted on 03/21/2013 7:22:13 AM PDT by Silentgypsy (I must be all here, because everyone keeps telling me I'm not all there.)
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To: shortstop

Anonymous tips should be made on every member of the Legislature who voted for this law, every member of the governor’s cabinet, every member of the governor’s staff and don’t forget to name the governor’s bodyguards who more than likely do have illegal firearms.


27 posted on 03/21/2013 7:33:31 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: shortstop

These petty tyrants over-reaching their authority will not learn until some of them are tarred and feathered.


28 posted on 03/21/2013 7:43:50 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq He could sure play that axe. RIP anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: shortstop

I bet the Hudson Valley Journal-News won’t be outing the snitches like they did gun owners in January.


29 posted on 03/21/2013 7:59:56 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: shortstop

If the “R” party were truly an opposition party, its members would be tying up the legislature everyday trying to get an amendment to the state constitution affirming the right to bear arms on the ballot. However, since the “R” party believes in getting along, Cuomo will do what he wants.


30 posted on 03/21/2013 8:09:42 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: shortstop

Flood them with the addresses of all elected and appointed Government officials and the MSM!


31 posted on 03/21/2013 8:09:58 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: shortstop

How does an anonymous phone caller receive his pieces of silver?


32 posted on 03/21/2013 8:12:32 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

“It sounds like our New York Freepers had better get busy flooding the system. A group of a few dozen folks with time on their hands could make enough calls to paralyze them. When 99% of the calls turn up nothing at all and take the cops on one wild goose chase after another it will end quickly.”

How very Alinsky-ish. :)


33 posted on 03/21/2013 8:17:11 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: READINABLUESTATE

Alinsky, you magnificent bastard....WE READ YOUR BOOK!


34 posted on 03/21/2013 8:18:35 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: shortstop
You know, there were people that claimed the "War on Drugs" would set a precedent to come after gun owners. They just made that up, though, to free the weed.

Thank you drug warriors. You supported tyrants and as far as I'm concerned you are just as much of an enemy as the left. This is coming from an individual who has never touched an illegal substance in his life.
35 posted on 03/21/2013 8:23:33 AM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: shortstop

If it’s anonymous, how do they know where to send the $500?


36 posted on 03/21/2013 8:30:19 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Compliance with Tyranny is Treason...)
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Gun-rights advocates upset by New York state tipline, reward offer

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20130321/NEWS01/303210035/New-York-gun-law-snitches


37 posted on 03/21/2013 8:47:36 AM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: shortstop

Disclaimer: I am not endorsing nor advocating a crime with the following comment.

That said, if someone should visit lethal harm upon Mr. Cuomo I won’t be shedding a tear for him given that his actions will inevitably result in the deaths of his fellow New Yorkers.


38 posted on 03/21/2013 8:56:11 AM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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The New Nazis of York.


39 posted on 03/21/2013 8:58:03 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Gene Eric

I hate New York Nazis.


40 posted on 03/21/2013 8:58:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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LINK:
http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/laws-politics/49683-tip-line-encourage-residents-report-illegal-firearm-possession.html

TITLE:
Tip line to encourage residents to report illegal firearm possession.

BODY OF FORUM THREAD:
Just received this from the NYSRPA (makes me want to vomit) :

Ladies and Gentlemen,
The letter shown below is from DCJS but was distributed by a Law Enforcement Association to all it’s members. I’ve removed the Association’s information to protect our source but wanted to show you the depths to which we are falling. Orwell was right; just 29 off years on the date!
Tom King

The Letter

At a time when all of us are finding ourselves doing more with less, a reminder about a resource available from New York State that can assist you in your efforts to solve cases, prevent crime and better serve and protect your communities.

The state has established a toll-free tip line – 1-855-GUNSNYS (1-855- 486-7697) to encourage residents to report illegal firearm possession. The tip line also allows for information to be submitted via text – individuals can text GUNTIP and their message to CRIMES (274637). While the state will provide the administrative support and fund the rewards, the investigation and validity of the tip will be up to each local department.

To spread the word about this free resource, New York State is planning a comprehensive campaign, including public service announcements that will air on television and radio stations across Upstate.

The tip line can provide your agencies with another avenue for receiving intelligence about crimes being committed in your jurisdictions. This initiative is designed for communities where no tip lines are in place and is not meant to replace existing gun tip lines.

Here’s how the tip line operates:

The New York State Police staff the tip line 24 hours a day. Upon receiving a call, troopers will solicit as much information as possible regarding a firearm tip, while allowing the individual to remain anonymous. The caller will be informed that this program is not the traditional gun buyback program but rather is focused on identifying individuals who are carrying an illegal firearm.

The State Police will in turn contact the appropriate police agency with the lead to initiate an investigation. Staff from the Division of Criminal Justice Services (DCJS) will follow up with that agency to determine the validity of the lead. Once the investigation is completed, the police agency would convey to DCJS the outcome of the investigation.

If the information leads to an arrest for the illegal possession of a firearm, the “tipster” will be awarded $500. DCJS staff will handle all of the financial transactions.

State Police staff will explain the program in its entirety upon notifying an agency that a lead has been generated for their jurisdiction. If you have any questions in the interim, please contact DCJS Deputy Commissioner Tony Perez in the Office of Public Safety at 518-485-7610.

Janine Kava
Director of Public Information
New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services
(518) 457-8906 - work
(518) 485-7715 - fax


41 posted on 03/21/2013 9:01:43 AM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: deks

http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/features/top-story/stories/state-500-reward-turning-illegal-gun-owners-7024.shtml

State: $500 reward for turning in illegal gun

ALBANY – A program aimed at rewarding people who blow the whistle on illegal gun owners has yet to show significant results, says three police agencies in the New York.

In February of 2012, 11 months before the passage of the NY SAFE Act, Governor Cuomo’s office announced a four pronged initiative to curb gun violence. One of the programs was a cash reward for citizens who lead police to the arrest and confiscation of illegal fire arms.

Known as the “Gun Tip Line”, New Yorkers can call a toll free hotline to alert police if they believe someone they know has an illegal gun.

The call would be picked up by state police and local law enforcement would be notified if the tip seemed reliable. If there was an arrest the tipster would receive as much as $500.


42 posted on 03/21/2013 9:09:30 AM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: LouAvul
. “But officer, it sure looked like a gun.”

You an IU student??

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/19/alert-issued-at-indiana-university-purdue-after-reports-man-with-gun-on-campus/

43 posted on 03/21/2013 9:48:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HomeAtLast
When do we stop blaming the politicians and start looking at the enablers voters?
44 posted on 03/21/2013 9:48:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ZULU
Have we ever pursued this argument in the courts?

Have we NEEDED to??

Have we ever pursued this argument in the STREETS?

45 posted on 03/21/2013 9:51:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dfwgator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V92OBNsQgxU


46 posted on 03/21/2013 9:55:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: shortstop

From Village Voice, August 2008:

ANDREW CUOMO AND FREDDIE AND FANNIE:
. . .How the youngest Housing and Urban Development secretary in history gave birth to the mortgage crisis

http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-08-05/news/how-andrew-cuomo-gave-birth-to-the-crisis-at-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/full/


47 posted on 03/21/2013 9:56:59 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Elsie

Well, Elsie, it isn’t the voting that gives them the power, that just gives them the position.
The tax revenue gives them the power.
That’s what I mean by enabling.


48 posted on 03/21/2013 10:00:06 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: shortstop
So Imperator Cuomo wants to turn, up till now law abiding gun owners, into gun jews.

It reminds me of the scene in Defiance when the local police show up at the farmers place looking for Jews and brag about how much money they get for turning them into the SS.

49 posted on 03/21/2013 10:37:44 AM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: leprechaun9
“How does an anonymous phone caller receive his pieces of silver?”

The callers number is probably automatically logged and/or a case number is issued to the caller as a receipt in case the tip pans out

50 posted on 03/21/2013 10:41:55 AM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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