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EDITORIAL: Gun control by the U.N.The White House attempts an end run around the House
Washington Times ^ | Mar. 20, 2013 | The Washington Times Staff

Posted on 03/21/2013 7:52:05 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

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To: Carry_Okie

Exceeding constitutional limits is not the same as abrogating individual constitutional rights. The burden of proof is to show one treaty that ever successfully made a direct attack on a fundamental individual right recognized as such by the Constitution. If you know if such a case, I would be interested to hear of it. And Covert, as I recall, did not pull treaty inferiority out of thin air. Inartful distinctions between dicta and holding have led to some unpleasant surprises when attempted in legal practice. However, to be fair to you, I will review it and get back to you. I am presently being held captive by a kitchen remodeling project and don’t have immediate access to my usual research tools. :)


41 posted on 03/21/2013 9:07:35 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: EXCH54FE

Stay out of my gun rights, I need my gun and permit, my son’s killer only served 14.5 yrs of his plea bargained sentence, socio path had threaten to kill any who testified against him, well I forced him to max out his “gooh” err bad behavior time. He is now free to kill again. Thank God I am changing counties and getting out of rat infested criminal loving Memphis!


42 posted on 03/21/2013 9:09:06 AM PDT by GailA ( those who do not keep promises to the Military, won't keep them to U)
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To: grobdriver
I don't believe this is the case.

You are correct: All treaties that are approved by 2/3rds vote in the Senate are still subject to constitutional limitations.

43 posted on 03/21/2013 9:14:57 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: cll
Once it is ratified by the states, then it becomes the law of the land.

States do not ratify treaties; they ratify amendments to the Constitution.

44 posted on 03/21/2013 9:17:17 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: rarestia
It will pass the Senate, I fear. It will pass on the narrowest margin, but it will pass.

Highly unlikely. The treaty requires the approval of 2/3rds of the Senate at a time when Harry Reid can't, by his own admission, get 40 votes for an "assault" weapon ban.

45 posted on 03/21/2013 9:21:36 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

Can you please remind me how this administration follows Constitutional limitations?


46 posted on 03/21/2013 9:23:12 AM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: Labyrinthos

That’s right. Thanks.


47 posted on 03/21/2013 9:23:56 AM PDT by cll (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me)
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To: Triple

[[This is an impeachable offense, attempting to bind US citizen to laws that they, through congress, have explicitly rejected.]]

Impreach a black president? Not goign to happen- no matter what he does- He could order wmd’s on his own people and the msm would spin it so that the citizens felt it was necessary and acceptable-


48 posted on 03/21/2013 9:33:12 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: EXCH54FE
...and the only people who ought to be concerned are military strongmen American Patriots looking for a good deal on black-market rocket launchers, personal defense rifles, anti-tank weapons and stinger type anti-air missiles.

Small repair.

49 posted on 03/21/2013 9:37:00 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: The Great RJ
If a treaty only ratified by the US Senate can end the Bill of Rights why are we signing such treaties?

"We" are NOT signing them. Traitors and prospective tyrants are signing them. Time to prepare to exercise the true meaning of the second amendment.

50 posted on 03/21/2013 9:41:09 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Mich Patriot
...and yet the answer is still “NO”. Regardless of how they decide to kill our 2A rights, just “NO”. Why is this so hard to understand?

Exactly. They can pass all the laws they want. Let them waste their time. When the rubber meets the road, their little laws won't mean jack and they won't do diddley.

"And y'all can take that to the bank."


51 posted on 03/21/2013 9:44:02 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The Constitution does not guarantee public safety, it guarantees liberty.)
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To: All

Allow me to repeat myself:

Article 2, section 2, paragraph 2 of The Constitution says, regarding Presidential powers: “He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...”

The operative word there is “present.” Joe Biden is President of the Senate. He could call a special session at 3:00 am at which only Feinstein, Boxer, Schumer, and selected other gun-control die-hards would be invited. The treaty would then be approved unanimously and we would be screwed... again.


52 posted on 03/21/2013 9:46:38 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: Carry_Okie

So.... after Obozo signs it and it goes into effect.. Can we march on DC and burn it down?

We kind of want to anyway for all the OTHER crap they are doing. We running out of camel on which to pile straws...


53 posted on 03/21/2013 9:48:40 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: ScottinVA

Yes, and I can’t believe there will be 67 senators having suicidal thoughts all at the same time. It will never be ratified unless Congress thinks it can rule over us from a foreign land.


54 posted on 03/21/2013 9:49:06 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: RepRivFarm

And your emphasis simply shows that treaties and federal laws along with our Constitution are the supreme laws of the land and trump state constitutions and laws.

The real question is, do treaties trump our National Constitution? Up until now, the answer would be no, but I think that SCOTUS late last year accepted a case that will answer this question.


55 posted on 03/21/2013 9:49:42 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: BCR #226

We only lose them if we give them up.

I will not comply. Even if it’s just me against 6 billion of you... You can only kill me once.


56 posted on 03/21/2013 9:49:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: oldfart

I’d say they’d be screwed. I have no doubt they will try...

I also have no doubt that sparking off CWII will happen soon after.


57 posted on 03/21/2013 9:51:33 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Springfield Reformer
The burden of proof is to show one treaty that ever successfully made a direct attack on a fundamental individual right recognized as such by the Constitution.

Easily done. Consider the Convention on Nature Protection and Wild Life Preservation in the Western Hemisphere. That treaty is cited in Title XVI, Section 1531 as the source of authority for the Endangered Species Act.

If you are going to assert that the ESA has not been used to violate individual rights, this conversation is done.

58 posted on 03/21/2013 9:52:20 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Labyrinthos

[[Highly unlikely. The treaty requires the approval of 2/3rds of the Senate at a time when Harry Reid can’t, by his own admission, get 40 votes for an “assault” weapon ban.]]

The supreme court, and specifically john traitor roberts- gave prsidents unprecidented power to violate anythign they like by claiming that it is not the court’s job to protect hte citizensw from ‘their own bad choices’ (DESPITE THE FACT that the supreme court rules all the time to do just that)- The supreme court gave it’s blessings to thsi administ to violate whatevwer the hell it feels liek violating- knowing full well that any violations will NOT be called into question because the mainstream media will NOT allow the admin to suffer for it’s actiosn one iota-

I knowe you want ot beleive i nthe ‘law’ and so do I- but traitor roberts slit hte throat of America by refusing to uphold his oath of office


59 posted on 03/21/2013 9:52:46 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GailA
...I need my gun and permit...

Gun yes, but the permit requirement is an illegal infringement upon your second amendment rights.

I am sorry for your loss. Not having walked in your shoes I cannot say how I would react to the murderer's release, but I suspect that I might do a bit of hunting in preemptive self-defense.

60 posted on 03/21/2013 9:53:38 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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