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DHS Denies Massive Ammunition Purchase
US News.com ^ | 3/22/13 | Elizabeth Flock

Posted on 03/22/2013 6:11:56 PM PDT by Nachum

The Department of Homeland Security responded Friday to questions from Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., about why the agency was allegedly planning to buy some 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the next five years.

DHS told Whispers it regularly fills all of its goods and services requirements at one time because it's cheaper for the agency, and that the 1.6 billion number was misleading because the language of DHS's purchase said it would need "up to" a certain amount.

One solicitation by the agency—for training centers and law enforcement personnel—was for "up to" 750 million rounds of training ammunition over the next five years, DHS spokesman Peter Boogaard told Whispers.

[READ: Joe the Plumber Is Back and Giving Away a Free AR-15]

Another five-year contract allows for the purchase of "up to" 450 million rounds of ammunition, he said, and was also for law enforcement. Boogaard noted that the contract would be used by all DHS agencies except the Coast Guard.

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We don' no noting 'bout no bullits
1 posted on 03/22/2013 6:11:57 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 03/22/2013 6:12:23 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Everyone knows this but them? They’re living in a basement or something?


3 posted on 03/22/2013 6:12:46 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Nachum

“Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?”


4 posted on 03/22/2013 6:15:41 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: SkyDancer
Its 'been out there' for months...
make ya wonder why nothing said until now.

5 posted on 03/22/2013 6:16:16 PM PDT by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: SkyDancer

Congress should just defund a billion bullets.

This isn’t difficult.


6 posted on 03/22/2013 6:16:19 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Got a problem? Nothing a drone strike can't fix.)
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To: Nachum

OH, I see, This is just a John Kerry Christmas in Cambodia moment.


7 posted on 03/22/2013 6:16:46 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Nachum

I know that they consolidated a bunch of agencies into the DHS umbrella. DHS only constitutes a portion of the federal agents employed.

I’d like to know, why in the hell there are 100,000 of them. Not counting FBI, DEA, US Marshals, etc etc.


8 posted on 03/22/2013 6:16:57 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Nachum

Like we can believe anything this government says. Geesh. We’re not stupid.


9 posted on 03/22/2013 6:18:10 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Whatever happened to the land of the free, home of the brave?)
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To: SkyDancer

I heard an explanation that someone mistook a quantity of “1600M” to mean 1,600 million as is conventionally used whereas in government accounting speak it mean 1,600 of some kind of conventional unit such as boxes or cases. No confirmation, so I’m skeptical.


10 posted on 03/22/2013 6:20:20 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: 45semi

Because there really is nothing out there, and the whole thing is so absurd that nobody had thought to actually care about it, until some people who don’t understand federal procurement got it in their heads that our government was stocking up on bullets for the zombie apocalypse.


11 posted on 03/22/2013 6:21:05 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Nachum

Doesn’t a purchase have to be for a concrete number ? How can the government order “up to” a certain amount over an undefined period ? I don’t know how these things are normally handled, but I am pretty sure it isn’t like that.


12 posted on 03/22/2013 6:22:31 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: Nachum
Here's a start:

Dtd 12/31/12; .40 Cal hollow point, 1000 rounds/case x 200 = 200,000 rounds

13 posted on 03/22/2013 6:24:56 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Nachum
And the TYPE of ammunition they are buying?

The majority of the bullets purchased by the DHS as part of its 2 billion round ammo buying spree were hollow point bullets (one order alone amounted to 450 million of them). Hollow point bullets just happen to be completely unsuitable for training purposes because they cost significantly more money compared to standard firing range bullets. This debunks both the ‘saving money’ argument and the ‘for training purposes only’ claim in one fell swoop.

http://www.examiner.com/article/feds-explanation-of-hollow-point-bullets-raises-more-questions

14 posted on 03/22/2013 6:25:03 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
And another (21.6 MILLION rounds):

Dtd 02/11/13; .40 Cal & 9mm

15 posted on 03/22/2013 6:28:05 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: bigheadfred

What I would like to know.....WHO is manufacturing these orders?


16 posted on 03/22/2013 6:31:29 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Do you mean the companies of the g-men?


17 posted on 03/22/2013 6:37:01 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

http://rt.com/usa/dhs-million-point-government-179/


18 posted on 03/22/2013 6:40:25 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

I assume they are sub-contractors and sell to the public?


19 posted on 03/22/2013 6:41:09 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Nachum
How many Americans have heard of HSI, Homeland Security Investigtions, and the SRT, hidden inside of DHS?

Ask THEM where the ammo is going.


20 posted on 03/22/2013 6:41:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Nachum

“DHS Denies Massive Ammunition Purchase”

Who cares? Americans have enough ammo to shoot every DHS employee 45,385 times.


21 posted on 03/22/2013 6:41:20 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Travis McGee

Those rigs get very poor fuel economy and tire life due to the weight of the hull armoring.


22 posted on 03/22/2013 6:44:50 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: bigheadfred

Thanks for the link. I’ll check it later when I’m off the BBerry. :)


23 posted on 03/22/2013 6:47:06 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Nachum

Defund the DHS until they start complying with US Law.


24 posted on 03/22/2013 6:48:07 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I predict the exact same Freepers will hate the GOP Candidate for: 2016,2020,2024,2028, 2032.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

“ATK has many branches of operations. Their ATK ArmamenSystems branch manufactures some of the best known ammunition brands through their commercial products and programs including Federal, CCI, Speer, and Outers. ATK Ammunition is the largest manufacturer of ammunition in the world! Besides manufacturing ammunition for hunters and shooters, ATK also is the main ammunition supplier for the homeland security and police officers. ATK Ammo has a huge production capacity and is responsible for running two major ammo production plants by the name of the Radford Army Ammunition Plant and the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant. “


25 posted on 03/22/2013 6:49:33 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred
....I asked a TSA agent about this....

and he replied (with a straight face)....

They just going to take the bullets out and re-melt them into regular rounds...and re-install into the casings....

and as for the 2750 light IED resistant vehicles.....

"they all for border patrols"

...I think this guy is missing a great career as a comedian...

26 posted on 03/22/2013 6:50:13 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: sergeantdave

Friendly fire


27 posted on 03/22/2013 6:50:55 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: spokeshave
....I asked a TSA agent about this....

I'd rather pay to see you....

28 posted on 03/22/2013 6:52:55 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

Thanks!


29 posted on 03/22/2013 6:59:20 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Nachum

So if, say...a group of civilians were to find the location of the 1.6 billion rounds, DHS wouldn’t mind if the civilians walked off with them..since they don’t exist, I mean.


30 posted on 03/22/2013 7:04:42 PM PDT by moovova
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To: bigheadfred

...many a true word spoken in jest....


31 posted on 03/22/2013 7:06:59 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: Nachum

“We don’ no noting ‘bout no bullits.”

I am ready for them. I ordered a door mat that reads, “COME BACK WITH A WARRANT.”


32 posted on 03/22/2013 7:09:48 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: spokeshave

so you did catch some of season five’s 13 bigheadfred’s psychotic episodes


33 posted on 03/22/2013 7:10:05 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: erlayman

Usually contracts for “units” of an item are based on a bulk purchase price from a minimum to a maximum.

I have a government contract for my service. It is a fixed rate per unit and I have a minimum number of units. But they can purchase up to X units, giving me first right of refusal. I don’t have to provide more than the minimum, but if they want more, I am gauranteed the rate through the maximum units.

Does that make sense?


34 posted on 03/22/2013 7:17:36 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Nachum
Why do they need to buy all those bullets?

The Cambodians murdered a huge number of their political victims using shovels, pickaxes, and gasoline. Why can't DHS use the same sensible budgeting techniques?

35 posted on 03/22/2013 7:19:03 PM PDT by Gritty (Our masters in Washington are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants-Jeff Cooper)
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To: qaz123

That’s easy. 1000 airports; and 100 gropers at each airport, and VIOLA! There you have it.

(Spelling intentional).


36 posted on 03/22/2013 7:20:15 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Really?....

From the comments I've read here, guess I'm not the only one who 'doesnt understand'...
37 posted on 03/22/2013 7:24:04 PM PDT by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: Old Sarge

Very similar things have come up before from these kenya clowns. There sure seems a likihood that this was just another “scare whitey” fake leak just to poke us in the eye.

Now that they’ve been called out on it, they have to fess up to it being a mis-understanding.


38 posted on 03/22/2013 7:26:34 PM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: bigheadfred

Hollow points are used for training. Hollow points have always been used for training even before DHS existed.


39 posted on 03/22/2013 7:30:44 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: sergeantdave

Exactly! And the whiteyhut damn well knows it.


40 posted on 03/22/2013 7:31:10 PM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

The cheapest, minority, handicapped, woman owned bidder.


41 posted on 03/22/2013 7:35:07 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Gritty

>>gasoline. Why can’t DHS use the same sensible budgeting techniques?<<

At $3.60 a gallon? Are you nuts? lol


42 posted on 03/22/2013 7:35:30 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Travis McGee
Matt, I'm glad you mentioned SRT. a Tampa bay local news station covered SRT and tried to make them all cuddly. Here's the article:

Special Response Team steps out of shadows

This IS happening folks.

43 posted on 03/22/2013 7:36:50 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Here’s a start:

Dtd 12/31/12; .40 Cal hollow point, 1000 rounds/case x 200 = 200,000 rounds

Yup, that looks like normal FedBizOps type solicitation. No idea where the “up to” BS comes from except the lying turds who occupy DHS.


44 posted on 03/22/2013 7:38:02 PM PDT by zagger
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To: 45semi

Right! And check with the ammo makers and see if they’re shipping now or over five years.


45 posted on 03/22/2013 7:41:35 PM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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To: Nachum

Ammo manufacturers are keeping the ammo off the shelves until they get their price.


46 posted on 03/22/2013 8:18:21 PM PDT by batterycommander (a little more rubble, a lot less trouble)
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To: Ajnin

“Hollow points are used for training. Hollow points have always been used for training even before DHS existed.”

If so, that agency has too much funding.

Worthless trough feeders can’t hit anything anyway, so let them practice their “Pray & Spray” with cheap ammo.

I have trained TSA Persons. A few are competent with a gun. The rest will hose off a full magazine and probably hit a bystander or two.

Oh, Yeah - I forgot the obligatory shooting of a dog.

After all, all too many members of the Uniformed Gun Toters can’t wait until they earn their Dog Shooter badge.


47 posted on 03/22/2013 8:24:45 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Because there really is nothing out there, and the whole thing is so absurd that nobody had thought to actually care about it, until some people who don’t understand federal procurement got it in their heads that our government was stocking up on bullets for the zombie apocalypse.

I was pointing out they haven't actually bought 1.6 billion rounds already and don't really intend to do so when this first broke, but there's a point where there are just so many morons repeating something that people desperately want to believe that they can't be defeated.

48 posted on 03/22/2013 8:33:38 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: erlayman
Doesn’t a purchase have to be for a concrete number ? How can the government order “up to” a certain amount over an undefined period ?

No.

It's called an IDIQ (Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity Contract). They've been around for years, and they're routine.

49 posted on 03/22/2013 8:42:20 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Nachum

This is the best article I’ve seen explaining the truth:

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/03/15/homeland-securitys-ammunition-purchases-should-not-worry-you/

This whole controversy has been the ultimate example of why people shouldn’t talk about things they don’t understand, and they should make the effort to have some level of understanding before they even have an opinion.

Of course the problem is the fairly limited number of people who have an actual understanding of the complexities of government contracting are considered suspect shills by the nutter morons simply because they have an actual understanding of complicated government contracting.

The part of this where people were freaking about the hollow points is the most embarrassing, though. That they are banned in warfare is irrelevant because they aren’t banned in domestic law enforcement and they’ve long been used by domestic law enforcement. People that have a cow about gun grabbers being clueless about guns should know better.


50 posted on 03/22/2013 8:49:45 PM PDT by Strategerist
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