Skip to comments.DHS Denies Massive Ammunition Purchase
Posted on 03/22/2013 6:11:56 PM PDT by Nachum
The Department of Homeland Security responded Friday to questions from Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., about why the agency was allegedly planning to buy some 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the next five years.
DHS told Whispers it regularly fills all of its goods and services requirements at one time because it's cheaper for the agency, and that the 1.6 billion number was misleading because the language of DHS's purchase said it would need "up to" a certain amount.
One solicitation by the agencyfor training centers and law enforcement personnelwas for "up to" 750 million rounds of training ammunition over the next five years, DHS spokesman Peter Boogaard told Whispers.
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Another five-year contract allows for the purchase of "up to" 450 million rounds of ammunition, he said, and was also for law enforcement. Boogaard noted that the contract would be used by all DHS agencies except the Coast Guard.
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Everyone knows this but them? They’re living in a basement or something?
“Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?”
Congress should just defund a billion bullets.
This isn’t difficult.
OH, I see, This is just a John Kerry Christmas in Cambodia moment.
I know that they consolidated a bunch of agencies into the DHS umbrella. DHS only constitutes a portion of the federal agents employed.
I’d like to know, why in the hell there are 100,000 of them. Not counting FBI, DEA, US Marshals, etc etc.
Like we can believe anything this government says. Geesh. We’re not stupid.
I heard an explanation that someone mistook a quantity of “1600M” to mean 1,600 million as is conventionally used whereas in government accounting speak it mean 1,600 of some kind of conventional unit such as boxes or cases. No confirmation, so I’m skeptical.
Because there really is nothing out there, and the whole thing is so absurd that nobody had thought to actually care about it, until some people who don’t understand federal procurement got it in their heads that our government was stocking up on bullets for the zombie apocalypse.
Doesn’t a purchase have to be for a concrete number ? How can the government order “up to” a certain amount over an undefined period ? I don’t know how these things are normally handled, but I am pretty sure it isn’t like that.
The majority of the bullets purchased by the DHS as part of its 2 billion round ammo buying spree were hollow point bullets (one order alone amounted to 450 million of them). Hollow point bullets just happen to be completely unsuitable for training purposes because they cost significantly more money compared to standard firing range bullets. This debunks both the saving money argument and the for training purposes only claim in one fell swoop.
What I would like to know.....WHO is manufacturing these orders?
Do you mean the companies of the g-men?
I assume they are sub-contractors and sell to the public?
Ask THEM where the ammo is going.
“DHS Denies Massive Ammunition Purchase”
Who cares? Americans have enough ammo to shoot every DHS employee 45,385 times.
Those rigs get very poor fuel economy and tire life due to the weight of the hull armoring.
Thanks for the link. I’ll check it later when I’m off the BBerry. :)
Defund the DHS until they start complying with US Law.
“ATK has many branches of operations. Their ATK ArmamenSystems branch manufactures some of the best known ammunition brands through their commercial products and programs including Federal, CCI, Speer, and Outers. ATK Ammunition is the largest manufacturer of ammunition in the world! Besides manufacturing ammunition for hunters and shooters, ATK also is the main ammunition supplier for the homeland security and police officers. ATK Ammo has a huge production capacity and is responsible for running two major ammo production plants by the name of the Radford Army Ammunition Plant and the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant. “
and he replied (with a straight face)....
They just going to take the bullets out and re-melt them into regular rounds...and re-install into the casings....
and as for the 2750 light IED resistant vehicles.....
"they all for border patrols"
...I think this guy is missing a great career as a comedian...
I'd rather pay to see you....
So if, say...a group of civilians were to find the location of the 1.6 billion rounds, DHS wouldn’t mind if the civilians walked off with them..since they don’t exist, I mean.
...many a true word spoken in jest....
“We don’ no noting ‘bout no bullits.”
I am ready for them. I ordered a door mat that reads, “COME BACK WITH A WARRANT.”
so you did catch some of season five’s 13 bigheadfred’s psychotic episodes
Usually contracts for “units” of an item are based on a bulk purchase price from a minimum to a maximum.
I have a government contract for my service. It is a fixed rate per unit and I have a minimum number of units. But they can purchase up to X units, giving me first right of refusal. I don’t have to provide more than the minimum, but if they want more, I am gauranteed the rate through the maximum units.
Does that make sense?
The Cambodians murdered a huge number of their political victims using shovels, pickaxes, and gasoline. Why can't DHS use the same sensible budgeting techniques?
That’s easy. 1000 airports; and 100 gropers at each airport, and VIOLA! There you have it.
Very similar things have come up before from these kenya clowns. There sure seems a likihood that this was just another “scare whitey” fake leak just to poke us in the eye.
Now that they’ve been called out on it, they have to fess up to it being a mis-understanding.
Hollow points are used for training. Hollow points have always been used for training even before DHS existed.
Exactly! And the whiteyhut damn well knows it.
The cheapest, minority, handicapped, woman owned bidder.
>>gasoline. Why can’t DHS use the same sensible budgeting techniques?<<
At $3.60 a gallon? Are you nuts? lol
This IS happening folks.
Here’s a start:
Dtd 12/31/12; .40 Cal hollow point, 1000 rounds/case x 200 = 200,000 rounds
Yup, that looks like normal FedBizOps type solicitation. No idea where the “up to” BS comes from except the lying turds who occupy DHS.
Right! And check with the ammo makers and see if they’re shipping now or over five years.
Ammo manufacturers are keeping the ammo off the shelves until they get their price.
“Hollow points are used for training. Hollow points have always been used for training even before DHS existed.”
If so, that agency has too much funding.
Worthless trough feeders can’t hit anything anyway, so let them practice their “Pray & Spray” with cheap ammo.
I have trained TSA Persons. A few are competent with a gun. The rest will hose off a full magazine and probably hit a bystander or two.
Oh, Yeah - I forgot the obligatory shooting of a dog.
After all, all too many members of the Uniformed Gun Toters can’t wait until they earn their Dog Shooter badge.
I was pointing out they haven't actually bought 1.6 billion rounds already and don't really intend to do so when this first broke, but there's a point where there are just so many morons repeating something that people desperately want to believe that they can't be defeated.
It's called an IDIQ (Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity Contract). They've been around for years, and they're routine.
This is the best article I’ve seen explaining the truth:
This whole controversy has been the ultimate example of why people shouldn’t talk about things they don’t understand, and they should make the effort to have some level of understanding before they even have an opinion.
Of course the problem is the fairly limited number of people who have an actual understanding of the complexities of government contracting are considered suspect shills by the nutter morons simply because they have an actual understanding of complicated government contracting.
The part of this where people were freaking about the hollow points is the most embarrassing, though. That they are banned in warfare is irrelevant because they aren’t banned in domestic law enforcement and they’ve long been used by domestic law enforcement. People that have a cow about gun grabbers being clueless about guns should know better.