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DHS Denies Massive Ammunition Purchase
US ^ | 3/22/13 | Elizabeth Flock

Posted on 03/22/2013 6:11:56 PM PDT by Nachum

The Department of Homeland Security responded Friday to questions from Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., about why the agency was allegedly planning to buy some 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the next five years.

DHS told Whispers it regularly fills all of its goods and services requirements at one time because it's cheaper for the agency, and that the 1.6 billion number was misleading because the language of DHS's purchase said it would need "up to" a certain amount.

One solicitation by the agency—for training centers and law enforcement personnel—was for "up to" 750 million rounds of training ammunition over the next five years, DHS spokesman Peter Boogaard told Whispers.

[READ: Joe the Plumber Is Back and Giving Away a Free AR-15]

Another five-year contract allows for the purchase of "up to" 450 million rounds of ammunition, he said, and was also for law enforcement. Boogaard noted that the contract would be used by all DHS agencies except the Coast Guard.

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To: Nachum

I am NOT posting something I recently heard about but will actually just release this little rumor...

Someone has made comments that several covert ammo storage centers have been found by tracking shipments.

Shipments from a major ammo producer of a caliber specific round to a certain Federal agency.

maybe, just maybe it will hit the web very soon, or it may just be some boastful remarks.

51 posted on 03/22/2013 9:06:30 PM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: jjotto


M means mountains of BS.

52 posted on 03/22/2013 9:36:00 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Strategerist

.............Of course the problem is the fairly limited number of people who have an actual understanding of the complexities of government contracting are considered suspect shills by the nutter morons simply because they have an actual understanding of complicated government contracting..................

So what company is willing to bid on government ammunition procurement with the highly volatile commodity prices of lead and copper, behind prior undefined orders that may take more or less than 5 years to fulfill??

Just think, I, ABC Ammunition is asked to forward a fixed price bid on an additional 250 million rounds, that may or may not be purchased after the previous undefined quantity contract has been exhausted; for a lead and brass price that I have no idea will be in the unknown year that I am supposed to deliver them, produced by a workforce that I have no idea what the prevailing or minimum wage will be for the beginning year, and indefinite ending year that I have contracted for.

Sheer stupidity for any company to make a bid, unless they collude with all other potential bidders, which ultimately leads to contracts that are totally risk free.

Think $600 toilet seats!

53 posted on 03/22/2013 9:39:02 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Ajnin
Hollow points are used for training.

well, yeah, duh. I use hollow points for training. And the way they blow the f@@@ out of squirrels, small dogs, and little kids ima hoping for that much fun on larger targets.

I just don't use your money to buy my ammo.

54 posted on 03/22/2013 9:50:05 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Travis McGee

“Don’t worry: a police state is a safe state.”

LOL-—good one. Is that your quote? I may have to change my tagline.

55 posted on 03/22/2013 10:27:40 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: bigheadfred
Good point on the hollow points. These are unsuited to anything other than killing humans, or "stopping" an assailant.

And all this talk about some relationship between this procurement and the shortages of available ammo is bogus. A red herring, a shinny, shinny object, to confuse reporters who are just catching up with this year old story.

What's the story on the armored vehicles? Are they expecting IED's?

What I want is the procurement story - alone and in whole - addressed, without all the bulls*it about Alec Jones, and crap.

If the federal government is procuring supplies in anticipation of an insurrection, it amounts to a declaration of war on the people.

"All war is based on deception." - Sun Tzu.

56 posted on 03/22/2013 10:37:49 PM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

How obtuse. Hollow point bullets are banned under the Geneva Convention. Ordering any amount of hollow point bullets is a breech of international law.

57 posted on 03/22/2013 10:48:30 PM PDT by Juliathemechanic (Geneva Convention, anyone?)
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To: Nachum

U.S. Government Preparing for Collapse (and Not in a Nice Way)

58 posted on 03/22/2013 10:49:52 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Travis McGee
Speaking of police state....

Jeff Knox, director of The Firearms Coalition, said:

It’s not the number of bullets we need to worry about but the number of feds with guns it takes to use those bullets. There are currently more than 70 different federal law enforcement agencies employing over 120,000 officers with arrest and firearms authority . . . That’s an increase of nearly 30 percent between 2004 and 2008.

If the trends have continued upward at a relatively steady rate, that would put the total number of federal law enforcement officers at somewhere between 135,000 and 145,000. That’s a pretty staggering number, especially when you consider that there are only an estimated 765,000 state and local law enforcement officers. That means that about one in seven law enforcement officers in the country works directly for the federal government, not a local jurisdiction.


59 posted on 03/22/2013 11:09:01 PM PDT by thouworm (DEMOGOGUE: leader who makes use of prejudices, false claims and promises to gain power.)
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To: GladesGuru

The reasoning behind the feds using hollow points in training, is so the agent, whoever he/she may be, will get used to the feel of their duty ammo going off. This is flawed on so many levels because I’d be willing to be that not even the best competition shooters in the world(Jarrett, Tomasie, Michel, Leatham, Miculek, etc et) could tell anyone the difference if they shot a 180gr FMJ or HP.

But the feds have been doing it for years. Its just now becoming public information.

60 posted on 03/22/2013 11:09:49 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: bigheadfred


61 posted on 03/22/2013 11:24:18 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: GladesGuru


62 posted on 03/22/2013 11:25:42 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Nachum

FWIW...On a related topic, I drove past the Armalite and Rock River Arms plants on Wednesday and the parking lot at both facilities was over-flowing with cars, even out onto the street at Armalite. There were no signs at either facility with their name on it. It was sad to see a legal mfg facility have to hide in plain site like that.

63 posted on 03/22/2013 11:39:20 PM PDT by IAGeezer912 (One out of every 20 people on the face of the earth are Americans. We have won life's lottery.)
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To: thouworm
No, I got it from the image on the left. Don't know where they got it.

64 posted on 03/23/2013 5:12:02 AM PDT by Travis McGee (
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To: NoLibZone
Defund the DHS until they start complying with US Law.

There, fixed it.

65 posted on 03/23/2013 5:16:02 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (No one expects the Sephardic Invitation!)
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To: rarestia

Yeah, there are a few good youtubes showing them in training. These MRAPs are not for “hostage rescue.” Anyway, the FBI (remember those passed-over clerks and accountants?) already has the HRT.

These are for assault, straight on, with fully armored troops on each running board, behind swing-out armor plate “wings.”

No hostages will be rescued with that tactic. The DHS MRAPs are stromtrooper delivery platforms, period. Behind and over them will be SRT snipers.

Wonder what they have in mind? A Waco a week?

66 posted on 03/23/2013 5:17:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee (
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To: Prospero
Are they expecting IED’s?

In Chile, resourceful defenders of capitalism stopped Allende’s henchmen with boxes of nails scattered on the roads. Even with all that armor those vehicles have their weaknesses.

67 posted on 03/23/2013 5:35:19 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Vermont Lt

Yes it does.

I’ve done a couple of federal contracts but most of mine are state contracts. We’re talking blanket PO’s and I have been awarded several over the years. The PO is only good up to that amount once it’s reached a new PO must be issued or they can ask for an extension. While that may sound good I’ve also had some where they never made a purchase. The key to looking at this is how many if any purchases have they made on this or any other PO.

68 posted on 03/23/2013 6:07:05 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Travis McGee

To the best of your knowledge, has the FBI HRT ever actually rescued an hostage?

69 posted on 03/23/2013 7:37:26 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Juliathemechanic

Strictly speaking, it’s the Hague Convention of 1899.

70 posted on 03/23/2013 7:40:47 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Dusty Road

Yes. Consider if this were presented as a consolidated PO over four years for ALL federal agencies. Would the amount he concerning? Or would we be praising someone in Government purchasing for finally using their heads and consolidating purchasing of common tools.

I do not know the particulars.

Just the term “Homeland” makes me feel a little queasy. From the first time Bush said it, it felt a little Orwellian or Stalinist.

71 posted on 03/23/2013 7:41:24 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: erlayman
Doesn’t a purchase have to be for a concrete number ? How can the government order “up to” a certain amount over an undefined period ? I don’t know how these things are normally handled, but I am pretty sure it isn’t like that.

I was in procurement for over 45 years, and I can't ever recall placing a purchase order for an "up to" amount.

72 posted on 03/23/2013 7:59:40 AM PDT by dearolddad (/i>)
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To: Juliathemechanic

Like i care about whether our government follows international law. Anyway, these particular purchases weren’t for our military.

73 posted on 03/23/2013 9:51:07 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: GladesGuru
I have trained TSA Persons. A few are competent with a gun. The rest will hose off a full magazine and probably hit a bystander or two.

NYPD and Empire State Building came to mind when I read that...what was it, 11 people shot? 9? Everybody but the target.

74 posted on 03/23/2013 10:01:27 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: IAGeezer912
It was sad to see a legal mfg facility have to hide in plain site like that.

But a smart move I think.

75 posted on 03/23/2013 9:15:29 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at
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To: Nachum

76 posted on 03/25/2013 10:55:56 AM PDT by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Perseverando

Powerful pic.

77 posted on 03/25/2013 11:05:00 AM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at
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To: Nachum
You want the framework behind everything Obama is doing?

Freedom From War, Publication 7277, State Dept. 1961.

Reducing nuke stockpile. Internal security forces - ie "we need a civilian military AS STRONG as ou military". Cutting regular military down - a sizeable part of which is operating under UN command or fulfilling UN objectives. Disarming citizens. The latest UN small arms treaty crap. Destroying the last superpower by killing the economy and creating economic crises by printing money like water. Getting ready to Cyprus our 401k's into "government bonds" and private bank savings into "stock/equity in the bank" your money's in - worse than FDIC-insured. Not far fetched as he hates America, walked around for months with the Post-America book he was reading, has all national intelligence assets looking at anyone who is "anti-government" (anti-Obama) as a threat. (And in case you didn't know, Freedom From War, the UN treaties do not allow civillians to remain armed - which means confiscation, by force if necessary.)

Do not think they will not take your supplies as well, as these emergency orders will also allow them to take any of your property they need. Once they disarm you it won't be hard.

This is what it's all about. In its "Second Annual Report to Congress" (February 1963), the ACDA presented a simple graphic depiction (see top of next page) demonstrating its proposed three-stage disarmament process:


78 posted on 03/30/2013 3:12:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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