Skip to comments.DHS Denies Massive Ammunition Purchase
Posted on 03/22/2013 6:11:56 PM PDT by Nachum
The Department of Homeland Security responded Friday to questions from Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., about why the agency was allegedly planning to buy some 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the next five years.
DHS told Whispers it regularly fills all of its goods and services requirements at one time because it's cheaper for the agency, and that the 1.6 billion number was misleading because the language of DHS's purchase said it would need "up to" a certain amount.
One solicitation by the agencyfor training centers and law enforcement personnelwas for "up to" 750 million rounds of training ammunition over the next five years, DHS spokesman Peter Boogaard told Whispers.
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Another five-year contract allows for the purchase of "up to" 450 million rounds of ammunition, he said, and was also for law enforcement. Boogaard noted that the contract would be used by all DHS agencies except the Coast Guard.
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The cheapest, minority, handicapped, woman owned bidder.
>>gasoline. Why can’t DHS use the same sensible budgeting techniques?<<
At $3.60 a gallon? Are you nuts? lol
This IS happening folks.
Here’s a start:
Dtd 12/31/12; .40 Cal hollow point, 1000 rounds/case x 200 = 200,000 rounds
Yup, that looks like normal FedBizOps type solicitation. No idea where the “up to” BS comes from except the lying turds who occupy DHS.
Right! And check with the ammo makers and see if they’re shipping now or over five years.
Ammo manufacturers are keeping the ammo off the shelves until they get their price.
“Hollow points are used for training. Hollow points have always been used for training even before DHS existed.”
If so, that agency has too much funding.
Worthless trough feeders can’t hit anything anyway, so let them practice their “Pray & Spray” with cheap ammo.
I have trained TSA Persons. A few are competent with a gun. The rest will hose off a full magazine and probably hit a bystander or two.
Oh, Yeah - I forgot the obligatory shooting of a dog.
After all, all too many members of the Uniformed Gun Toters can’t wait until they earn their Dog Shooter badge.
I was pointing out they haven't actually bought 1.6 billion rounds already and don't really intend to do so when this first broke, but there's a point where there are just so many morons repeating something that people desperately want to believe that they can't be defeated.
It's called an IDIQ (Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity Contract). They've been around for years, and they're routine.
This is the best article I’ve seen explaining the truth:
This whole controversy has been the ultimate example of why people shouldn’t talk about things they don’t understand, and they should make the effort to have some level of understanding before they even have an opinion.
Of course the problem is the fairly limited number of people who have an actual understanding of the complexities of government contracting are considered suspect shills by the nutter morons simply because they have an actual understanding of complicated government contracting.
The part of this where people were freaking about the hollow points is the most embarrassing, though. That they are banned in warfare is irrelevant because they aren’t banned in domestic law enforcement and they’ve long been used by domestic law enforcement. People that have a cow about gun grabbers being clueless about guns should know better.
I am NOT posting something I recently heard about but will actually just release this little rumor...
Someone has made comments that several covert ammo storage centers have been found by tracking shipments.
Shipments from a major ammo producer of a caliber specific round to a certain Federal agency.
maybe, just maybe it will hit the web very soon, or it may just be some boastful remarks.
M means mountains of BS.
.............Of course the problem is the fairly limited number of people who have an actual understanding of the complexities of government contracting are considered suspect shills by the nutter morons simply because they have an actual understanding of complicated government contracting..................
So what company is willing to bid on government ammunition procurement with the highly volatile commodity prices of lead and copper, behind prior undefined orders that may take more or less than 5 years to fulfill??
Just think, I, ABC Ammunition is asked to forward a fixed price bid on an additional 250 million rounds, that may or may not be purchased after the previous undefined quantity contract has been exhausted; for a lead and brass price that I have no idea will be in the unknown year that I am supposed to deliver them, produced by a workforce that I have no idea what the prevailing or minimum wage will be for the beginning year, and indefinite ending year that I have contracted for.
Sheer stupidity for any company to make a bid, unless they collude with all other potential bidders, which ultimately leads to contracts that are totally risk free.
Think $600 toilet seats!
well, yeah, duh. I use hollow points for training. And the way they blow the f@@@ out of squirrels, small dogs, and little kids ima hoping for that much fun on larger targets.
I just don't use your money to buy my ammo.
“Don’t worry: a police state is a safe state.”
LOL-—good one. Is that your quote? I may have to change my tagline.
And all this talk about some relationship between this procurement and the shortages of available ammo is bogus. A red herring, a shinny, shinny object, to confuse reporters who are just catching up with this year old story.
What's the story on the armored vehicles? Are they expecting IED's?
What I want is the procurement story - alone and in whole - addressed, without all the bulls*it about Alec Jones, and crap.
If the federal government is procuring supplies in anticipation of an insurrection, it amounts to a declaration of war on the people.
"All war is based on deception." - Sun Tzu.
How obtuse. Hollow point bullets are banned under the Geneva Convention. Ordering any amount of hollow point bullets is a breech of international law.
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Jeff Knox, director of The Firearms Coalition, said:
Its not the number of bullets we need to worry about but the number of feds with guns it takes to use those bullets. There are currently more than 70 different federal law enforcement agencies employing over 120,000 officers with arrest and firearms authority . . . Thats an increase of nearly 30 percent between 2004 and 2008.
If the trends have continued upward at a relatively steady rate, that would put the total number of federal law enforcement officers at somewhere between 135,000 and 145,000. Thats a pretty staggering number, especially when you consider that there are only an estimated 765,000 state and local law enforcement officers. That means that about one in seven law enforcement officers in the country works directly for the federal government, not a local jurisdiction.
The reasoning behind the feds using hollow points in training, is so the agent, whoever he/she may be, will get used to the feel of their duty ammo going off. This is flawed on so many levels because I’d be willing to be that not even the best competition shooters in the world(Jarrett, Tomasie, Michel, Leatham, Miculek, etc et) could tell anyone the difference if they shot a 180gr FMJ or HP.
But the feds have been doing it for years. Its just now becoming public information.