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To: Kaslin

Obamacare, or something like it, was made inevitable by things that have happened going back to 1965.
So, no, it won’t be gotten rid of - it will destroy itself, and it will also destroy the medical system it was designed to kill.

Doctors and patients being the decisionmakers is fine - it fact, it’s the only way to fly.

Doctors and patients making decisions and paying for them with with other people’s money - in fact, not even with OPM but with massive borrowing incurring debts too large to be repaid - that was never fine.

The fact is, Medicare (which remains massively popular, even around here) has killed the system - it just took 40 years to die.


18 posted on 03/24/2013 5:40:47 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble

Brilliant post.

“Doctors and patients being the decisionmakers is fine - it fact, it’s the only way to fly.”

One more element must be added....payment terms are between the doctor and patient as well.

With that, you have a way to fix the system.

Frankly I think completely eliminating SS, medicare, and medicaid - COMPLETELY is the way to go. That’s the only hope - though some will see it as contradictory, especially those on SS, medicare and medicaid.


26 posted on 03/24/2013 6:44:12 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Jim Noble

“The fact is, Medicare (which remains massively popular, even around here) has killed the system - it just took 40 years to die.”
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I agree totally and I am probably the only person who recalls this but very soon after Medicare went into effect a report came out saying that a person who went into the hospital under medicare would come out owing a copay greater than the entire bill would have been before Medicare. Medicare in reality did little or nothing to help the people it was supposed to help but it made a lot of people rich. If there had never been any Medicare or any other form of federal interference in medicine we would never have had a “healthcare crisis”. There was a time when a week in a hospital would mean a large bill but it did not consume a year or two of an average person’s income. I clearly remember when I thought a hospital room that cost $32. a day was simply outrageous. In those days a person who woke up feeling sick could go to the doctor’s waiting room and be treated within a couple of hours without an appointment and pay $5. or so for the visit, not a copay, the entire charge.

The “healthcare crisis” is entirely a creation of the federal government and the feds are now convinced that they must destroy the healthcare system in order to save it! The end result will be no real healthcare for any but a tiny elite and the rest will be forced to pay large fines for not participating in a fake system that offers nothing to the participant except the opportunity to die of “complications”. The thing I find most amazing is that so many “adults” actually believed that it was a good idea to turn health care over to the feds. Why can people never learn that the federal government thrives by creating chaos, not by solving problems?


43 posted on 03/25/2013 6:44:21 PM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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