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Knives and the Second Amendment
The Volokh Conspiracy ^ | 25 March, 2013 | David Kopel

Posted on 03/25/2013 12:05:17 PM PDT by marktwain


That’s the title of my forthcoming article in the University of Michigan Journal of Law Reform. My co-authors are Clayton Cramer and Joe Olson. The abstract:

This Article is the first scholarly analysis of knives and the Second Amendment. Knives are clearly among the “arms” which are protected by the Second Amendment. Under the Supreme Court’s standard in District of Columbia v. Heller, knives are Second Amendment “arms” because they are “typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes,” including self-defense.

Bans of knives which open in a convenient way (bans on switchblades, gravity knives, and butterfly knives) are unconstitutional. Likewise unconstitutional are bans on folding knives which, after being opened, have a safety lock to prevent inadvertent closure.

Prohibitions on the carrying of knives in general, or of particular knives, are unconstitutional. There is no knife which is more dangerous than a modern handgun; to the contrary, knives are much less dangerous. Therefore, restrictions on the carrying of handguns set the upper limit for restrictions on knife carrying.

The Article is just the beginning of long overdue scholarly analysis of laws about knives. Not all households own firearms, but almost every household owns a knife, even if we do not count table knives. Issues involving knife carrying come up quite frequently in state criminal courts, but the legal academy has thus far failed to provide the courts with useful guidance. Persons who are interested in writing on Second Amendment issues, and who wish to make an original contribution, will find that there is plenty to write about.

Source, The Volokh Conspiracy


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; guncontrol; knife; knives; secondamendment
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There is no question that knives are arms covered by the Second Amendment.
1 posted on 03/25/2013 12:05:18 PM PDT by marktwain
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What about pointed sticks?


2 posted on 03/25/2013 12:06:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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United Kingdom

The 1689 Bill of Rights ensured that only Parliament and not the King could restrict the right of the people to bear arms. Over the last 60 years, Parliament has enacted a series of increasingly restrictive laws and acts regarding the possession and use of knives and bladed tools. The United Kingdom (to include England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland) has one of the most comprehensive set of laws of any developed nation governing an individual’s right to import, purchase, possess, sell, and carry knives.[34]


3 posted on 03/25/2013 12:07:40 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: dfwgator
I know. You're thinking, "what about self defense against fresh fruit?"


4 posted on 03/25/2013 12:10:01 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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What about pointed sticks?

If they are weapons, and can be carried, I believe they should be covered.

I recall an old Arizona Supreme Court decision, though, that claimed that nun-chucks were not military issue, and therefore were not covered by the Constitution.


5 posted on 03/25/2013 12:10:42 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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There is no question that knives are arms covered by the Second Amendment.


Well that depends. You see the founders clearly meant knives as well, but what would they think of modern assault knives. Maybe they didn't mean that coverage to include modern stainless steel knives, especially if they have camouflage handles. These knives are a far cry scarier than their revolution era counterparts./sarc
6 posted on 03/25/2013 12:14:37 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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i wouldn’t mind carrying a “revolutionary” era knife. a knife with a 4-6” fixed blade is much more utile than a 3” folder.


7 posted on 03/25/2013 12:21:40 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: marktwain

So “keep and bear arms” means I can go out with one of my swords on my belt?

AWESOME!!!!


8 posted on 03/25/2013 12:22:57 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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Bans of knives which open in a convenient way (bans on switchblades, gravity knives, and butterfly knives) are unconstitutional.

One more thing cops are allowed to have but "civilians" are not.

9 posted on 03/25/2013 12:25:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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I thought the Second Amendment covered weapons customarily used by the military.

Wasn’t that the argument used back in 1939 to justify lawas against sawed off shot-guns and silencers?

Don’t get me wrong - I love knives - and swords also.


10 posted on 03/25/2013 12:32:11 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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1887 Webster`s Dictionary:
“to bear, bear v.t., “
“1. to support and move; or carry
2. To be equipped, furnished, or marked with;
to have as belonging, distinguishing, identifying, or characterizing; as to bear a sword,


11 posted on 03/25/2013 12:32:20 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Marchione.)
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So “keep and bear arms” means I can go out with one of my swords on my belt?

Hard to see how it does *not* mean that. It would be an excellent test case.

12 posted on 03/25/2013 12:34:13 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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The “Miller” case explicitly said that arms in common use by the military were protected.

The “Heller” decision expanded that, and said arms commonly available and useful for self defense were included.

The “McDonald” decision said that the protections of the Second Amendment applied to both the federal and state governments.


13 posted on 03/25/2013 12:39:26 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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14 posted on 03/25/2013 12:40:27 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: marktwain

If they are weapons that could be used in either personal or National defense... They are covered.

Keep and Bear are two separate Rights relating to armaments. Just as with the 1st Amendment having a Right to your own religion and a right to freedom of speech.


15 posted on 03/25/2013 12:41:41 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: marktwain

When was the McDonald decision rendered?


16 posted on 03/25/2013 12:44:17 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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Funny knives would be mentioned today. Yesterday, I was looking for a machete and thought the “Cold Steel 24 inch machete” would be the one to get. It's not expensive and I could use it to chop off very thin limbs that insist on coming over a neighbors fence into my back garden and dumping its leaves in my garden every fall.

I have to cut these back every year and using a pruner to do that takes a long time and it's heavy to hold up there. Some chops with a machete should get rid of those very thin limbs quickly.

But now, are you telling me knives could be outlawed? And would that include machetes? I mean, you could whack off the head of a zombie with one of these and still stay almost two feet away from the zombie. :o)

Will law abiding citizens have to go through a background check to buy a machete so the government would know I had one and where I live? Is the government going to check my long pants to see if I have a machete hidden in my pants? :o)

I already have a major brand “assault” knife, the up and personal type that folds and flips out but right now I don't know where it is. Some work had to be done in my downstairs and that knife got moved to somewhere. Will the government say I have hidden that knife so they can't find it? :o)

Hussein and his rules and laws are so unconstitutional - I'm not giving up my guns, my ammo, my assault knife I can't find, or that machete when I get that.

And if anyone tries to get in my house, besides my guns, I will have a machete to chop off the head of the bad guy after I shoot him to make sure he's not getting up again. Now that drastic action would be in the case of a SHTF condition. :o)

17 posted on 03/25/2013 12:49:03 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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When was the McDonald decision rendered?

June 28th, 2010

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chicago


18 posted on 03/25/2013 12:51:25 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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19 posted on 03/25/2013 12:54:46 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: absolootezer0
Yep. Or the old British musket bayonets that were triangular with three sharp edges instead of two. It's darn hard to stitch up a triangular hole...
20 posted on 03/25/2013 12:55:24 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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