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Facebook boy-with-gun pic: Governor wants investigation
cnet.com ^ | March 27, 2013 | Chris Matyszczyk

Posted on 03/28/2013 8:24:51 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

You thought it was all done bar the noisy debating. And even that was abating.

But not just yet.

After Shawn Moore posted a Facebook picture of his 11-year-old son, Josh, with a fetching .22 rifle, child-protection experts and police arrived.

Moore, of Carneys Point, N.J., was outraged. So was his lawyer. The police wanted to enter his house and examine the safe where he kept his guns. They wanted to know that his son would be safe.

The police, though, had no warrant.

Subsequently, the authorities explained that there was a heightened sensitivity, after the Newtown massacre.

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is, however, not satisfied.

According to Fox News, the governor has asked his state's attorney general, Jeffrey Chiesa, to investigate "whether all applicable laws were appropriately followed, and to take any remedial, investigative, or other actions that may be required."

The governor is disturbed by reports that members of the Division of Child Protection and Permanency offered an excessively assertive attitude. The Department of Youth and Family Services has maintained its silence, citing confidentiality.

Moore's lawyer denies having asked for any further action to be taken, but he says he's happy for the matter to be fully examined.

He added, to Fox News, this cheery thought: "There's this really great reason why there's no charges and the case is closed, and that's because my client didn't do anything wrong."

Perhaps Christie's investigation will conclude that procedures weren't followed. Perhaps someone will be reprimanded, or worse.

However, when it comes to an emotive issue such as guns, there will still be those who believe that images such as the one posted by Moore will always incite heightened reactions, both for and against.

The police, it seems, have begun to provide their own details, prior to this investigation.

The Philadelphia Daily News reports today that police described Moore as "ranting" and being both aggressive and arrogant when they visited.

Worse, police said Moore smelled of alcohol and suggested that his wife, Julie, was none too pleased with her husband.

The police report, obtained by the Daily News, reads: "While we were waiting, Julie stood and spoke to us stating, Shawn has not been the same person since President Obama was elected. She stated he is obsessed with gun control, owning weapons, and his right to bear arms. Julie seemed embarrassed at her husband's behavior, however, she did not seem surprised."

Perhaps, then, any investigation by the attorney general might unearth even more polarizing facts and accusations.

I wonder if it will be finally revealed which of his Facebook friends contacted the police. That should be a polarizing piece of information.


TOPICS: US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 03/28/2013 8:24:51 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He needs to ditch Julie, she can’t be trusted.


2 posted on 03/28/2013 8:28:13 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Subsequently, the authorities explained that there was a heightened sensitivity, after the Newtown massacre.”

Sensitivity...I believe that overrides the 4th Amendment.


3 posted on 03/28/2013 8:29:03 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Agreed. (Rest of post redacted.)


4 posted on 03/28/2013 8:33:23 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.b)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
'Julie' reminds why bein' single ain't so bad after all
5 posted on 03/28/2013 8:34:53 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Perhaps Christie's investigation will conclude that procedures weren't followed. Perhaps someone will be reprimanded, or worse.

Given the history or how NJ politicians do business, I would take it to mean someone is going to get a promotion.

6 posted on 03/28/2013 8:38:16 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: tomkat
Bear in mind that we don't know Julie's mind, or what she actually said. We only know how reporters reported on what the police claimed she said.
7 posted on 03/28/2013 8:43:54 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Any excuse to kick down a door to violate your 4th amendment rights. At some point, they’ll kick down the wrong door, and it will cost them, dearly.


8 posted on 03/28/2013 8:48:10 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Let’s see.... the Police and Child Services got their @sses handed to them, and we are to believe their report?


9 posted on 03/28/2013 8:51:22 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Try telling your long time wife to stfu. Just, damn. Her foot is, apparently, now in his mouth. His restraint, with gestapo on the porch is, unbelievable. I'm all unglued trying to wonder how I would have reacted 20 years ago when I was passing that picture around the family.
10 posted on 03/28/2013 8:53:02 PM PDT by theneanderthal
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To: piytar

I had one like that, nothing worse.


11 posted on 03/28/2013 8:54:03 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: theneanderthal

They’ve only been married since 2009, she looks a lot younger than he does.


12 posted on 03/28/2013 8:55:38 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: tomkat

I would not be so quick to believe anything the cops leaked to the press.


13 posted on 03/28/2013 8:59:53 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: factoryrat

Any excuse for a tyrant.


14 posted on 03/28/2013 9:02:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Alinsky ploy: consolidate and double down. That actually means roar like a lion and use the quiet cunning of a snake to win. As evidenced by the degrading condition of this country, the dems have become masters at it. And God bless those who are willing to stand and offer a challenge to try to preserve this once great country. It's so ironic that so many people the world over want to come here, when they get here we kiss their asses, offer them opportunities unimaginable in any other country but for some reason they want to change us. A house divided..............
15 posted on 03/28/2013 9:04:35 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

A wife like that often tends to speed up the aging process in the guy.


16 posted on 03/28/2013 9:10:16 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: jwalsh07
That version of the report reads like Shakespeare compared to the original version, which was barely coherent even by NJ police report standards. I don't buy the story that the officers who were originally involved wrote it. More likely a "CYA" by their lawyers. That pesky Constitution-thing.
17 posted on 03/28/2013 9:10:56 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: jwalsh07; USFRIENDINVICTORIA
I understand y'alls points, and agree re not trusting the lying bastards.

Sadly, the aforementioned relief isn't predicated solely on the reported persona of 'Julie' .. the published description is merely illustrative of the disloyalty of countless tens of thousands just like 'her'.

She'll be dumping the guy within the next year or two, dollars to donuts.

18 posted on 03/28/2013 9:13:05 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Grams A

That’s for sure!


19 posted on 03/28/2013 9:14:10 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is a spoof story, right. I got my first .22 at 10 yeasrs old. I think I still have a pic of me shooting it.

Should I post the pic to YouTube and see if child protective services shows up?


20 posted on 03/28/2013 9:19:43 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: piytar

Caution, FReepers.

If true, I would certainly consider that grounds for a divorce. However, knowing that there are cops out there who will write anything in an official report to justify their actions, etc., I am unwilling to jump on the “dump her now” bandwagon.


21 posted on 03/28/2013 9:19:45 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Oh that explains it. The guy was ranting, ranting against government officials trying to illegally search his home. Ranting in defense of the constitution. Ranting against idiotic people that have no concept of the law and can’t make a rational decision that a boy with a gun is not illegal.

Exactly what are they doing watching YouTube anyhow?

How many government employees are monitoring FR? You can bet they are.


22 posted on 03/28/2013 9:26:18 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: drypowder

What’s wrong with Alinsky? The tactics work. When working an issue his guidance is a big help.

What do you do when you go to a local council meeting, just figure your three minutes at the public speaker podium is the only tool in your box?


23 posted on 03/28/2013 9:31:27 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
I got my first .22 at 10 years old.

I also got my first .22 at ten yrs old. BB guns were for my six yr old brother by that time. When my grandson turned eight, I bought him his own Ruger 10/22. He's now ten and can shoot your eye out if your not careful.
24 posted on 03/28/2013 9:35:09 PM PDT by jy8z (From the next to last exit before the end of the internet.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Hey ATF, eff you!


25 posted on 03/28/2013 9:35:35 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield ("I can see unhinged liberal media madness from my house!")
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Thanx babe. She’s not a keeper.


26 posted on 03/28/2013 9:43:33 PM PDT by theneanderthal
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The police report, obtained by the Daily News, reads: "While we were waiting, Julie stood and spoke to us stating, Shawn has not been the same person since President Obama was elected. She stated he is obsessed with gun control, owning weapons, and his right to bear arms. Julie seemed embarrassed at her husband's behavior, however, she did not seem surprised."

None of which is illegal.

I highly doubt this subjective enhancement of the tale by the police is true or worth the ink it took to write it.

Besides, what kind of mother isn't first worried about a DYFS person threatening to take her kid from the house.

Knowing NJ, this is CYA by the cops--they know they stepped in it bigtime, and need to justify what they did, as they are not used to any kind of resistance--especially the legal resistance shouted at them by the lawyer on the phone.

This is precisely why you don't say anything to cops without a lawyer present. Whatever you say, even innocently, can and WILL be used against you.

27 posted on 03/28/2013 9:44:32 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Bear in mind that we don't know Julie's mind, or what she actually said. We only know how reporters reported on what the police claimed she said.

The Philadelphia Daily News is one of the last newspapers I would trust.
Good grief, that paper is the retarded little sister of the communist Philadelphia Inquirer.

28 posted on 03/28/2013 9:50:21 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: exit82

If I faced a similar situation, with cops and affirmative action “child services” mice beating down my door and demanding to see my gun safe, I’d be “ranting, WTF!”, too.


29 posted on 03/28/2013 9:53:35 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

You better be careful. Big brother is watching


30 posted on 03/28/2013 10:06:53 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Ronin

“If true, I would certainly consider that grounds for a divorce. However, knowing that there are cops out there who will write anything in an official report to justify their actions, etc., I am unwilling to jump on the “dump her now” bandwagon.”

If the police can drive a wedge between a man and his wife, they have them. I have seen it happen. They push for just the least hint of “domestic violence”, then pounce.

I am told that threatening to take the children if a request for a protective order is not filed - there goes guns, house, maybe job - is a standard ploy.


31 posted on 03/29/2013 5:41:53 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

I know. It’s very sad.


32 posted on 03/29/2013 5:42:07 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: factoryrat
“Any excuse to kick down a door to violate your 4th amendment rights. At some point, they’ll kick down the wrong door, and it will cost them, dearly.”

That crap happens all too often. Cops should know better.

I bet the cops here would stain their undies if they saw my daughter a few years ago. I took her hunting and on the way home I let her pop a couple into a bank (dirt) armed with a .243 w/ scope. She enjoyed it.

33 posted on 03/29/2013 6:19:03 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (It only takes one to start hostilities. It takes two to agree to end them.)
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