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To: Sherman Logan; warchild9

Sorry, but that’s absurd. It’s the same easily refuted argument I’ve seen from liberals and atheists.

Your view is based on a misunderstanding of God’s laws. The dietary/hygiene laws, etc., were given specifically to the Israelites....when God gave them, He said to Moses, “Speak to the children of Israel, saying....”.

However, abominations such as sexual sin applied not only to Israel, but to ALL the nations. Look at Leviticus 18:22-30, where God forbids such sin among the Jews, AND among the alien sojourner. He speaks of such sin being practiced among the previous inhabitants of the land, so it was clearly wrong for them, as well.

It’s important not to confuse the Law which was intended on ly for Israel with God’s moral law which extends to everyone today. The ceremonial laws expired when Christ made His sacrifice. Moral laws are unchangeable because they are based on God’s character.

Besides, if we’re going to dump what Leviticus says about homosexuality, shouldn’t we also ignore its prohibition against lying, theft, bearing false witness, committing adultery, bestiality, and incest, and sacrificing children? Of course not.

Lastly, what is this “Bible-thumping” stuff I’m seeing on this Christian site? Bill O’Reilly, is that you? You won’t find anything better TO thump THAN the Bible, and when someone has a problem with it, it usually indicates they should do a bit of soul-searching.

25 posted on 04/05/2013 11:25:04 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Just curious. You obviously have firmly in your mind the distinction between “ceremonial” provisions of the Law and its “moral” provisions.

Which passage of the Law, or other Scripture, defines which group a particular provision falls into? Or is this distinction you find so compelling based on anything at all besides your personal preference?

26 posted on 04/05/2013 11:33:34 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: CatherineofAragon
The ceremonial laws expired when Christ made His sacrifice.

Serious question as I have followed this debate in the past & am curious as to what all sides have to say -- Is your contention that the "ceremonial" laws expired when Christ made his sacrifice backed up in Scripture or is this an interpretation/analysis after the fact?

28 posted on 04/05/2013 11:42:30 AM PDT by gdani
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To: CatherineofAragon

Leveticus 19

1 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them: ‘Be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy.

5 “‘When you sacrifice a fellowship offering to the Lord, sacrifice it in such a way that it will be accepted on your behalf. 6 It shall be eaten on the day you sacrifice it or on the next day; anything left over until the third day must be burned up. 7 If any of it is eaten on the third day, it is impure and will not be accepted. 8 Whoever eats it will be held responsible because they have desecrated what is holy to the Lord; they must be cut off from their people.

11 “‘Do not steal.

“‘Do not lie.

“‘Do not deceive one another.

12 “‘Do not swear falsely by my name and so profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.

13 “‘Do not defraud or rob your neighbor.

15 “‘Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.

16 “‘Do not go about spreading slander among your people.

18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.

“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.

“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

20 “‘If a man sleeps with a female slave who is promised to another man but who has not been ransomed or given her freedom, there must be due punishment.[a] Yet they are not to be put to death, because she had not been freed. 21 The man, however, must bring a ram to the entrance to the tent of meeting for a guilt offering to the Lord. 22 With the ram of the guilt offering the priest is to make atonement for him before the Lord for the sin he has committed, and his sin will be forgiven.

23 “‘When you enter the land and plant any kind of fruit tree, regard its fruit as forbidden.[b] For three years you are to consider it forbidden[c]; it must not be eaten. 24 In the fourth year all its fruit will be holy, an offering of praise to the Lord. 25 But in the fifth year you may eat its fruit. In this way your harvest will be increased. I am the Lord your God.

27 “‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

28 “‘Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord.

32 “‘Stand up in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere your God. I am the Lord.

33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

35 “‘Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight or quantity. 36 Use honest scales and honest weights, an honest ephah[d] and an honest hin.[e] I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt.

37 “‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’”

This starts off with the statement you claim means that the provisions apply only to the people of Israel. So lying, robbery and deceit are wrong for nobody but Israelites? Respect for the aged is not a moral issue?

I think any reasonable person will agree the above is a total intermingling of what you refer to as moral and ceremonial provisions of the Law. IOW, the distinction between the two is in your mind, not in the Law.

30 posted on 04/05/2013 12:01:01 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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