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Saddleback Church Says Rick Warren’s Son Has Committed Suicide
CBS Los Angeles ^ | April 6, 2013 | CBSLA.COM

Posted on 04/06/2013 1:57:54 PM PDT by Last of the Mohicans

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1 posted on 04/06/2013 1:57:54 PM PDT by Last of the Mohicans
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To: Last of the Mohicans

Oh, how sad...


2 posted on 04/06/2013 2:00:31 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Last of the Mohicans

My heart goes out to the Warrens. Hmmm, Christian suicide has been coming up in my life lately. A good friend of mine had a close friend of his, a Christian husband, father and high school teacher, commit suicide several weeks ago. It got myself and my Christian groups talking on the subject. If any Christians have some input on the topic I’d like to hear it.


3 posted on 04/06/2013 2:02:01 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Last of the Mohicans

Prayers up for the Warren family. Severe depression can plague anyone including Christians.


4 posted on 04/06/2013 2:05:06 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: randog

I think Satan attacks Christians most of all. Upon hearing the sad news, I prayed for the Warrens and for all who have loved ones suffering from mental illness. The only issue I have is that I don’t think it’s necessarily chemical. I do think there can be a spiritual dimension. This doesn’t mean I think it’s the depressed person’s fault, but only that I still think we know very little about these disorders.


5 posted on 04/06/2013 2:06:17 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Last of the Mohicans

I wonder how many big pharma drugs he was taking...


6 posted on 04/06/2013 2:06:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Paved Paradise
I think Satan attacks Christians most of all.

I don't think so...I know so!! Thanks for the input PP.

7 posted on 04/06/2013 2:09:16 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Last of the Mohicans; Pyro7480
Tragic: Pastor Rick Warren announces son's suicide to congregation
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8 posted on 04/06/2013 2:09:28 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Last of the Mohicans

I think some of Rev. Warren’s preaching is off the rails and have stopped listening to it, but this is a tragic loss and he definitely has our sympathy. May God bless...


9 posted on 04/06/2013 2:11:36 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: Last of the Mohicans

My condolences to the family. Let’s hope Dante was wrong.


10 posted on 04/06/2013 2:14:17 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: Last of the Mohicans

That is a tough one no matter who you are. It is not the natural order and suicide always leaves behind so much chaos and pain.....


11 posted on 04/06/2013 2:15:05 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Last of the Mohicans

Mammon strikes back at those that threaten EVIL’s opponents. Rick has done lots of good, so the king of this fallen world extracts an enormous penalty. We should all say a prayer for this lost boy and his family. Perhaps, the contradictions became too much for the poor child. He had no other way to strike back. What a sad situation. I’m heartbroken by their loss. Bring peace, Lord Jesus Peace


12 posted on 04/06/2013 2:16:51 PM PDT by STD (One day closer to street justice)
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To: dragnet2

That was my thought, too. I’m sure they tried to do everythng to help their son...but I’m wary of all the medications given out like candy to treat depression, anxiety, etc. I do understand that it can be of great benefit...but they put those warnings on the labels for a good reason: A certain percentage of people taking them will have suicidal thoughts. I think the percentage is higher than admitted.


13 posted on 04/06/2013 2:17:32 PM PDT by Pigsley (nan)
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To: randog

Just went to the funeral of a family member of friends who hanged himself. He was 50 and had battled alcohol and drugs for years. Had a good job and a family who loved him. He was divorced but had a daughter who has two small girls that were not part of his life. Recently became a Christian. Put his parents through hell. They were always bailing him out of one thing or another. I really liked him. Funny and fun to be around if he wasn’t drinking or using drugs. In and out of rehab and jail. Sometimes life just gets to be too much. His parents are having a tough time. I guess it can happen to anybody. So sad.


14 posted on 04/06/2013 2:18:27 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: dragnet2

+1


15 posted on 04/06/2013 2:20:03 PM PDT by griswold3
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To: randog

randog,

There are so many possibilities.

I think that suicide, like homicidal rampages, are a product of anger mixed with despair.

I believe that everyone has a breaking point. Some of us are stronger and some of us are weaker, but even the strongest among us can be crushed under enough pressure. I think that often it is a choice the person under pressure makes to turn inward instead of turning outward. I look at the person who harms himself instead of harming others as being more altruistic.

I realize that most Christians regard suicide as unforgivable. I believe that only God knows what is in a person’s heart at the last moment and that He is understanding and forgiving. I believe that God understands when a person has reached his breaking point.

That does not mean that I think suicide is an acceptable choice. I think there are always alternatives to harming oneself or harming others. But I do believe that a person who has reached that point is in extreme pain and not thinking clearly and probably no longer capable of thinking clearly.

May God comfort and give strength to the family and friends of these people.


16 posted on 04/06/2013 2:22:53 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: faithhopecharity

I’m not a fan of his either but suicide is a terrible tragedy(and a selfish very hurtful thing to do).


17 posted on 04/06/2013 2:25:35 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: generally

Good post, generally (or should I say overall?!)

Suicide is unacceptable to us hypocrites, but slow suicide is all hunky dory. (Or is it murder?)
I don’t want to rant and explain, just listen to Eleanor Rigby.


18 posted on 04/06/2013 2:26:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Last of the Mohicans

Prayers of comfort for the Warren family. Anyone who has been touched by suicide in their family knows how devastating this can be. May God give them strength.


19 posted on 04/06/2013 2:26:56 PM PDT by Faith
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To: House Atreides

My daughter is dealing with some depression. Wants to cry all the time.
I’ve gone through it with the other daughter also.
Tough times.


20 posted on 04/06/2013 2:27:54 PM PDT by sunny48
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To: Last of the Mohicans

My sincerest condolences to the Warren
family at this time of grief.


21 posted on 04/06/2013 2:31:43 PM PDT by mulder1 ("The past is prologue.")
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To: generally

What a truly touching response. Thank you.


22 posted on 04/06/2013 2:32:46 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Don't forget love)
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To: Last of the Mohicans

The poor family, and that poor young man. May the Lord comfort them in a time of terrible loss and a coming time of terrible inquisition.

I saw just yesterday, I think, that Warren had announced his retirement. Perhaps this explains a family dynamic that was bringing him to that point. He seemed young to me to be retiring.


23 posted on 04/06/2013 2:49:47 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Pigsley

Some years ago I knew an elderly guy who was given medications by his Mideastern born physician...These drugs drove him to blow nearly his entire retirement...Bad decision after bad decision...The drugs made his extremely manic, obsessive and compulsive...His family stepped in to help..Basically saved his life and future.. Many have no family to help, and many of these people eventually go full tilt loony, causing themselves major problems.


24 posted on 04/06/2013 2:52:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Pigsley
...I think the percentage is higher than admitted...."

The admitting part though could make it even worse for the individual in some cases, if those that try to help you end up making matters worse for you in helping you, my gut feeling is that was the case with the son and Rick Warren, it probably was something like this: "Hey son I'm a Christian, that can do no wrong, I love you son now let me hug you, now high five me, now I've got to get off and write my next million dollar share your ignorance best seller book and keep that bacon flowing so we can live the high life promoting socialism."

The best thing the son probably could of done was get away from his own family and environment.

25 posted on 04/06/2013 2:57:19 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite (1 of 3 I'm only allowing my self each day)
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To: Nifster

I agree.

Prayers to the Warren family and friends.


26 posted on 04/06/2013 2:57:21 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Last of the Mohicans

For most of my life, satan attacked me with thoughts of suicide and depression. He would introduce all sorts of “suggestions” on how and why it would be good for me to end it. Glory to God, those days are gone. I got the Word in my spirit, and renewed my mind. It became much easier to recognize those thoughts as from the evil one, and cast them down as the Word commands.

Paul (and John quoting Jesus) wrote, we wrestle not with people, but with spiritual powers that are doing their best to destroy you (John 10:10, Ephesians 6:12). Christians are especially vulnerable if they don’t live from the inside out, be led by the Spirit (Romans 8:14), and renew the mind with the Word (Romans 12:2, Colossians 3:10). It also helps to have faith-filled Believers that will pray and stand in faith with you (Ephesians 6).

I hate to see kids fall prey to the devil. But I certainly understand how it happens. There were numerous times I was ready to do it, before being pulled back from the edge by my parent’s prayers. Praise God that Jesus has overcome the world for us! (John 16:33, 2 Timothy 4:18, 1 John 5:4)

Two scriptures that really helped me:
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; — 2 Corinthians 10:5

And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. — Philippians 4:7 — I certainly welcome the Peace of God and ask God to comfort this family accordingly.

One more piece of advice, if anyone you know even jokingly suggests that the world would be better off without them, correct them immediately. Show them how much you and God loves them. If someone is to the point that they would even suggest such a horrible thing, its serious. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.


27 posted on 04/06/2013 2:59:34 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: generally; ilovesarah2012

My friend’s friend had his problems—bouts with drug abuse, gambling, heretical, twisted views of scripture, but the talks I’ve had with other Christians in the past two weeks is that Christians have hope in Christ to overcome these sins and weaknesses. IOW, how can we lose hope if God is with us? God has certainly pulled me out of the pit numerous times and I have great trust and faith that he will continue to do so (right now he’s giving me strength and courage to finish my taxes...8/ ), so what’s going on when a child of God loses that hope?


28 posted on 04/06/2013 2:59:47 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: faithhopecharity; All

Pastor Warren is a minister of Satan like Joel Olsteen, but sympathies to his family.


29 posted on 04/06/2013 3:05:45 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Last of the Mohicans

This is very sad news, even the ones we think should be most qualified to help individuals battling this kind of illness seem completely powerless to save them. My daughter’s boyfriend’s twin brother took his life Monday, he was only 25 years old. We only met him briefly but he was sweet, kind and gentle also.

It seems that so many of our young adults are trapped in a cycle of conflict, debt, confusion and hopelessness. My daughter struggled against so much conflict and self doubt just after graduating with double masters degrees. She transformed almost overnight from a motivated, tireless, self confident go getter into a mere shell of herself fighting depression daily. It was a full time job just keeping her from descending past the point of no return. Thankfully my wife and I were able to tag team and we believe that she is just now coming out of the dark cloud but we know from experience that it can return with little or no warning.

It’s as if all of the forces of evil are arrayed against us parents trying to bring our children into adulthood. Prayer has been our strongest weapon in the battle.

Pray Pray Pray for our kids.


30 posted on 04/06/2013 3:14:38 PM PDT by infool7 (The ugly truth is just a big lie.)
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To: Last of the Mohicans
I don't suffer depression or have mood swings. I am kinda the same each day. I feel blessed I don't suffer with these issues. I have been around family and friends who suffer deep depression. I don't think one can just say, they are selfish. There's a lot going on in most cases in their minds and they have taken themselves to a place of despair. Improper medication can set a person in a downward path as well. Many have to go through hell to be able to cope with their problems and then learn how to live with the depression either with proper medication and or by turning their pain over to Christ or to a higher place they find their faith and trust in. When I was ten, I use to say people are so dumb to do that. Don't hurt anyone, which I still say. Though, now, I see some go to a place of despair and a experience a complete mental breakdown, leaving their minds broken and their hearts lost. I don't know if the suffering continues. I pray they do not. I know God will love them and show mercy for a mental breakdown because he is a loving force. I feel so sad that their child suffered and didn't get his life back to where he could cope. Very sad.
31 posted on 04/06/2013 3:15:39 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: dragnet2

“Antidepressants” are one of the biggest shams ever marketed to consumers. For no other illness can you be diagnosed simply by asking questions.


32 posted on 04/06/2013 3:22:34 PM PDT by RB156
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To: faithhopecharity
I think some of Rev. Warren’s preaching is off the rails and have stopped listening to it, but this is a tragic loss and he definitely has our sympathy. May God bless...

My thoughts also.

33 posted on 04/06/2013 3:38:37 PM PDT by Digger
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To: Paved Paradise
I think Satan attacks Christians most of all.

Of course. They are the only ones for whom he exists.

34 posted on 04/06/2013 4:07:24 PM PDT by Misterioso ("The difference between a welfare state and a totalitarian state is a matter of time." - Ayn Rand)
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To: rwfromkansas

Really? You know that post makes you look really bad, right?


35 posted on 04/06/2013 4:17:16 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: rwfromkansas
Pastor Warren is a minister of Satan like Joel Olsteen, but sympathies to his family.

You're just bubbling over with sympathy.

36 posted on 04/06/2013 4:21:37 PM PDT by Misterioso ("The difference between a welfare state and a totalitarian state is a matter of time." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Kandy Atz
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; — 2 Corinthians 10:5

Excellent scripture.

37 posted on 04/06/2013 4:28:06 PM PDT by what's up
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To: randog

I don’t know unless some sort of mind-altering drugs are involved. Tragic, whatever the explanation, though.


38 posted on 04/06/2013 4:31:55 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: RB156
“Antidepressants” are one of the biggest shams ever marketed to consumers.

Yes, as truth about sin nature has dissipated and thus societal problems have risen, so has the antidepressant industry exploded.

39 posted on 04/06/2013 4:32:10 PM PDT by what's up
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To: ReformedBeckite

Warren kept, iirc, at most 10% from the sales of his books. He never claimed to be perfect, either. I don’t follow his ministry or teachings & I’m not defending either. I’m just setting the record straight that, unlike some bestsellers, he donated the vast majority of the proceeds to the church & lived a v modest life. Fwiw.


40 posted on 04/06/2013 4:36:05 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: rwfromkansas

Are you saying this out of Christian love? Maybe I’ve misunderstood you, because you’re coming across like an a$$hole. Is there such a thing as a Christian a$$hole? A loving a$$hole?


41 posted on 04/06/2013 5:03:58 PM PDT by bethelgrad
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To: Revolting cat!
Suicide is unacceptable to us hypocrites, but slow suicide is all hunky dory.

Are you familiar with the very listenable jazz pianist Bill Evans? A fabulous, genius player, mostly trio work with bass and drums, brilliant, classical music of improvisation. For me, as a woman, having too many Bill Evans CDs is like having too many pairs of shoes: neither possible nor sensible! The music is always good, always positive, always engaging, always as complex as any other classical music. (Evans was educated in classical music.) Except it happens to be jazz. He died at the age of 51 of heroin addiction. One of his jazz fellows described his death as "the world's longest suicide."

I don't know. My late, wonderful father assured me that none of us are going to get out of this alive.

Suicide is between the person's soul and Jesus. Seems to me it's better to focus on one's own relationship with The Man than pronounce that some other schlub is going to burn in eternal hell for snubbing the Almighty with suicide. I can only hope not because we're all weak, and hence I pray for the guy who committed suicide, that Jesus got to him before the end.

And prayers are needed for a nation of moral, God-fearing people pressured to fund on-demand abortion with their labor (money) in the name of national health care. Talk about slow suicide.

42 posted on 04/06/2013 5:38:59 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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Pray Pray Pray for our kids.

Oh, man. Deepest sympathies, and prayers. Amen.

43 posted on 04/06/2013 5:48:28 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: darkangel82
I’m not a fan of his either but suicide is a terrible tragedy(and a selfish very hurtful thing to do).

Terrible tragedy, yes.

As far as selfish goes, most of what people do is selfish in one way or another.

If you got married, had kids, contributed to a political candidate, go to church every Sunday, give to the poor... if you look deep enough, there's a selfish reason of one kind or another.

A healthy life, in fact, is built on a healthy degree of "selfishness."

Suicide is an effort to escape pain. People who are suicidal just want their pain to stop. They have decided that there's no pain killer on earth that will stop the pain, and the only recourse for stopping the pain is death.

So yes, they're probably thinking about themselves and not so much about other people. But it's hard to think about other people's feelings and needs when your hand is on a red-hot burner.

44 posted on 04/06/2013 6:04:47 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Jesus didn’t sugarcoat it with false teachers.


45 posted on 04/06/2013 7:09:14 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: rwfromkansas

You ain’t Jesus friend.


46 posted on 04/06/2013 7:29:31 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Finny

I’m not a jazz fan, but after reading your post I’ll have to check out Bill Evans. Thank goodness for Spotify.

Your point about slow suicide taken. It doesn’t really require heroin addiction, depression and abandonment will do just fine (probably in reverse order.) Those who do it the quick method don’t deserve our condemnation. It is not they who are “selfish” (as if the dead could be selfish!), it is we, poor things (selfish), who blame the suicides for hurting our precious feelings, when it was ultimately we who failed them!


47 posted on 04/06/2013 8:36:41 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Jeff Winston

What you say is the absolute truth.

My life was deeply impacted by suicide and forgiveness was a long and torturous road.

At some point, in some people’s lives...the pain out weighs all else.


48 posted on 04/06/2013 8:41:15 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Pigsley
That was my thought, too. I’m sure they tried to do everythng to help their son...but I’m wary of all the medications given out like candy to treat depression, anxiety, etc. I do understand that it can be of great benefit...but they put those warnings on the labels for a good reason: A certain percentage of people taking them will have suicidal thoughts. I think the percentage is higher than admitted.

Several things about medications. First of all the source of the depression needs to be investigated as deep as possible and that included an extensive medical history work up as well as an extensive physical. Depression and Anxiety both can also be caused by numerous physical or neurological issues that antidepressants can actually make worse.

49 posted on 04/06/2013 9:36:27 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: darkangel82
I’m not a fan of his either but suicide is a terrible tragedy(and a selfish very hurtful thing to do).

The person that commits suicide never says it's a selfish thing to do, at least none that I know about.

The U.S. government/taxes, the medical establishment, and the family that has to pay the funeral bills etc. might say it's a selfish act under their breath. Other then that I don't see it as a selfish act, I think that is something our medical establishment has come up with so they can keep seeing you and selling you the happy pills.

50 posted on 04/07/2013 4:43:12 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite (1 of 3 I'm only allowing my self each day)
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