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EMP the unimaginable reality (Red Dawn?)
WND ^ | Arpil 5, 2013 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 04/06/2013 9:06:45 PM PDT by Perseverando

Exclusive: Joseph Farah warns of 'Red Dawn' scenario becoming real-life catastrophe

Have you seen “Red Dawn”?

I don’t mean the old movie starring the late Patrick Swayze.

It was good. But I’m talking about the more recent version.

I hesitated watching it for a long time, mainly because I thought the producers of the movie sold out when they opted to substitute a North Korean invasion of the U.S. for what was originally planned as a more likely Chinese invasion.

Supposedly they did so because the Chinese movie market was too lucrative to pass up.

But, having seen it recently, and having followed the news of recent weeks, I think the producers made the right choice.

Watch trailer here:

The new “Red Dawn” is worth seeing as it comes to pay-per-view and video rental release.

It’s not a bad action movie.

But, more than that, the tactic that facilitates a joint North Korean and Russian invasion of the U.S. is the one I would use if I were trying to take down the U.S. quickly and efficiently and inexpensively.

I won’t ruin the movie for you by telling you the invaders use what is described in the script as a “new weapon.”

It’s actually not new at all. It’s relatively old technology called an “electro-magnetic pulse.” The power of an EMP attack was first recognized during the Cold War era. It’s a power that has the potential to defeat overnight America’s strength – technology.

And that’s exactly what happens in the new “Red Dawn.”

If I were the lunatic Kim Jong-un, it’s how I would use at least one of my nine nuclear weapons in taking down the U.S. – something he threatens to do on nearly a daily basis now.

As F. Michael Maloof explains so adeptly

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: emp; empattack; farah; joefarah; kimjongun; norks; northkorea; nukes; reddawn; shtf; wolverines
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To: FreedomStar3028; ansel12; Lazamataz

He could just run an extension cord over to Lazamataz house!


51 posted on 04/06/2013 10:19:05 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

52 posted on 04/06/2013 10:21:00 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Kartographer

Yes. I think you are drawing the wrong conclusion from the report.

I never worked for DOD, AEC, or DOE, but I have been in the plant where they make the damb things. 3 years ago.

My father in law was a division manger there for 15 years and worked there for 40 years. I knew several of his tech staff well. Some of them are dead now.

He was an EE and I have been a Ham Op since the 1970’s. Also hold a commercial ticket. We spoke the same language. I ran with the techs in NM & AZ from the Labs and the Mil Bases. Does that make me an expert. No.

But the conclusion is false.


53 posted on 04/06/2013 10:23:43 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: ansel12

Perhaps I should have read the rest of the comments before posting. It’s clear to me now that you forgot your /s tag.

But seriously, generator in a Faraday cage, with a bunch of replacements for your necessities (boards for freezers/etc).

This is what I would do if I seriously thought an EMP was a threat.

I’m kind of a prepping skeptic. If I go all out and prep magnificently, all it takes is one person besides me to know that I have, when the system crashes I’ll have to be shooting people all day long, every day.

I think it’s more practical to buy things that will allow you to survive, hunting gear, etc. Some antibiotics, other medicines, flint, weapons, warm clothing, camping gear, one of those nice hand held water filters that can filter sewage , Iodine tablets, maybe a few packs of dehydrated water and some dehydrated food, perhaps a weeks worth. But why stock up on food/water? This makes you a HUGE target, and when the SHTF you need to be GONE , OUT, MOBILE.


54 posted on 04/06/2013 10:23:55 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: ansel12

“so I’m pretty much covered for whatever North Korea can throw at us.”

If there was to be an EMP occurrence, you have done nothing to protect yourself... Fortunately for you, it’s not going to happen anyway.


55 posted on 04/06/2013 10:26:39 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Texas Fossil

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/1999_h/99-10-07bernardin.htm


56 posted on 04/06/2013 10:26:50 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Perseverando

When all your computerized cars stop dead in their tracks my pickup and my 36 Chevy hot rod will still be running!


57 posted on 04/06/2013 10:27:50 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: babygene

At some point it will all happen.

Nuclear and EMP weapons cannot exist without someday being used, tommorow? 11 years from now? 35 years? at some point weapons get used, the world has had only one atomic war in history, but history isn’t over, and the weapons are more common and routine than in the first war.


58 posted on 04/06/2013 10:30:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: Perseverando
The concept (EMP attack) goes back almost 13 years for TV.


59 posted on 04/06/2013 10:31:06 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Sporke
If we used an EMP over North Korea, would they ever notice?

For sure the Traffic Cops would notice, but most of the vehicles would be recovered fairly easily, unlike our computerized contraptions.


60 posted on 04/06/2013 10:31:27 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Perseverando

Why would Russia, China, or N. Korea risk a war with America when they can just sit back and watch Obama destroy us from within?


61 posted on 04/06/2013 10:36:26 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Cementjungle; ansel12

If he uses enough duct tape, the house will stay together, even with a direct hit.


62 posted on 04/06/2013 10:37:06 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: ansel12

I hope your tinfoil is grounded.


63 posted on 04/06/2013 10:37:45 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: ansel12

“we just don’t know the variables of the weapons”

What’s this “we thing”? You got a mouse in your pocket?

I Know...


64 posted on 04/06/2013 10:38:30 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: ansel12

How are you going to shield every the inductive coil from shorting out?


65 posted on 04/06/2013 10:39:02 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Kartographer

I have no intention in arguing with you about this.

My opinion has not changed. The article is BS.

Electromagnetic Pulse is a impulse radio wave. It is created by a nuke (fission of fusion) but the impulse reaches past the blast area. Like all radio waves it decreases in field density as the wave moves form the source.

The problem for power systems is the energy is easily coupled to power lines. But the field density decreases rapidly.

Yes, small impulses will fry MOSFETS. I have fried them with just static discharge handling them.

So, I still maintain my original position.


66 posted on 04/06/2013 10:40:48 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Perseverando

The spike from an EMP device is similar to a large single pulse from a very powerful spark-gap transmitter.

Basically you charge up a bank of capacitors to 2000+ volts and discharge across a small gap. The rig I saw had a sort of short dipole with the gap at the center. It was discharged inside a large metal shipping container. The pulse did fry modern electronics. The pop from the discharge was very very loud outside the container...I can only imagine what it was like inside.

If the rig had been discharged outside the metal container the rf pulse would have been detectable thousands of miles away on an hf receiver as a static pop.

The leads and copper traces of the tested electronics had a current spike induced in them from the pulse... every piece of electrical conductor worldwide has current from rf sources flowing in them. This is how radio works...but when the current is very large it will damage modern electronics in much the same way that you can ruin your computer if you are poking around inside and a static charge jumps from your hand to the circuitry.

There are small non-nuclear weapons that create short-range EMP effects. They use the power of an explosion to create the short pulse.


67 posted on 04/06/2013 10:41:19 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Lazamataz
You will still die, but at least you will have nice smells to die to.

Maybe not so much in the weeks leading up to The Event. That bacon could get pretty ripe waiting for it to get cooked. I think he had better stick with the duct tape and foil.

68 posted on 04/06/2013 10:41:49 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: ansel12
While the early atom bombs and EMP effects were significant, although the electronics and technology were of a primitive state, comparatively speaking) rarity and stage of development that they were far less susceptible to EMP, research since then has focused on those incidental effects, and learned to concentrate on the EMP effect itself.

I agree and I would add that the threat also includes a natural occurring E3 event.

I am currently reading The Sun Kings. The Carrington event had caused extensive damage to the US and European telegraph systems. During the event, operators died and there were reports of rail tracks arc welding together. The telegraph system was primitive by today's standards, however it began the radical transformation of the world. A good read is The Victorian Internet.

We are very vulnerable today compared to then. The cascading failures today would quickly return the US to a very medieval standard of living. That is actually an optimistic prediction. The stone age is probably more likely. We can thank Murkowski for leaving us completely vulnerable.

Life would have been extremely difficult with loss of communications, however we could of at least brought power back for reconstruction.
69 posted on 04/06/2013 10:42:07 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Daffynition

*bimp*


70 posted on 04/06/2013 10:45:42 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Daffynition

I’m sure that all-black outfit has a slimming effect


71 posted on 04/06/2013 10:45:43 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Daffynition

“Don’t you know that Colonel Ripper went as mad as a bloody March hare and sent the wing off to bomb the Russians?!?!!!”


72 posted on 04/06/2013 10:48:19 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Texas Fossil

Wow. Someone who has a clue about the relevant physics. Not surprised at all that you’re a fellow Texan.


73 posted on 04/06/2013 10:48:44 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: babygene
What’s this “we thing”? You got a mouse in your pocket?
I Know...

If you have an answer to this, then give us a hint. ""In fact we know that it is real, we just don’t know the variables of the weapons, delivery, various electrical systems and at what level, distance, etc. and so on.""

74 posted on 04/06/2013 10:49:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: F15Eagle

LOL...he’s the *only* fat person in NK!


75 posted on 04/06/2013 10:51:19 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: F15Eagle

Aren’t the Russians behind all this foment?


76 posted on 04/06/2013 10:52:18 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Carbonsteel

Why would Russia, China, or N. Korea risk a war with America when they can just sit back and watch Obama destroy us from within?


You know they’re wondering “What the hell are those stupid Americans doing to themselves?”

An idiot like 0bama wouldn’t last a week in most countries.


77 posted on 04/06/2013 10:54:00 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: piytar

I have know physicists. My tech background is in RF.

I know quite a bit about electromagnetic waves.

I taught those concepts for grins at an AFB a couple of summers at the behest of TSTC. Really enjoyed it.

I miss my old tech friends from my years in NM.


78 posted on 04/06/2013 10:54:41 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Daffynition

Could be given the NK food system - pretty cruel to the average NK.

Regarding the Russians, well they’ve be involved in asymmetrical, proxy warfare for some time now...

And we have responded....but I don’t trust Pooty-Poot much farther than I could throw him (about 15+ feet with a good hip toss).


79 posted on 04/06/2013 10:54:54 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: higgmeister
Naive fool, If my tinfoil was not grounded, could I do this?

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80 posted on 04/06/2013 10:54:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: ansel12; Perseverando

An EMP weapon directed at the United States if it were effective (Russia, China, not some toys from Korea) would shut down the world economy. It’s not going to happen.

Be more worried about K9 Flu. I assume you read about it...


81 posted on 04/06/2013 10:55:28 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Colorado Doug

I’m going to duct tape my cats to the wall so they don’t get lost in the blast.


82 posted on 04/06/2013 10:56:01 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Kartographer

Not to butt in, but I’m going to:

“Consequently, the U.S. has designed low yield nuclear weapons with massively enhanced EMP output.”

You have any idea of the physics, engineering, and manufacturing skills need to produce a “massively enhanced EMP output”? I do. The Norks aren’t even close. Now, could WE do that? Yup, sure.

Two words that should chill us all: Reichtstag Fire.


83 posted on 04/06/2013 10:59:00 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Texas Fossil

You are correct!!! Bing Bing Bing... And I might add, it decreases with the square of the radius.


84 posted on 04/06/2013 11:00:00 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: babygene
H7N9 is worrisome, however I would not underestimate the Russian assistance to the North Koreans, nor Iranian help in launching scuds from freighters and/or barges.
85 posted on 04/06/2013 11:00:35 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Texas Fossil

I know — I have heard claims EMP would shut down defensive and offensive systems -— systems long ago that had fiber op and other communication highways.

I have also said the 1 EMP threat was overblown — now over economic centers, that might have a significant economic impact — but I’m sure that’s not news to any intelligence planners anywhere.


86 posted on 04/06/2013 11:01:46 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Texas Fossil

I lived many years just down the road a few miles from White Sands :-)
Lots of nice tech guys in that area.


87 posted on 04/06/2013 11:02:42 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Bobalu

I spent 14 years in NM. Made calls in Las Cruces every week from 1972-1986.

Yep, some great techs there. Some good RF builders too. It was still done then.

I miss it.


88 posted on 04/06/2013 11:06:28 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: F15Eagle; Texas Fossil

The other night I read something that seemed credible, that said that we had backed off of our EMP preparations of the Cold War (some).

I don’t do science or engineering, but I know that we carried radios in the 1980s that some of our allies mocked us for because of the weight, that was because of EMP effects.

Are we weaker or stronger in the military now compared to 1990, in regards to EMP?


89 posted on 04/06/2013 11:09:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: piytar

I don’t disagree but I believe the norks are doing what they’re doing at the behest of the chicoms with possible Russian involvement. They have the tech.


90 posted on 04/06/2013 11:12:20 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Texas Fossil

Two more words (not really directed at you): Tsar Bomb. 100 megatons. Not the right type or bomb to just create an EMP effect, but so massive that if the EMP hype was true it would have shut down all of the USSR.


91 posted on 04/06/2013 11:13:25 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Lancey Howard

TTWWWP (this thead was worthless without pictures). Nicely done!


92 posted on 04/06/2013 11:14:42 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

I prep because I like emergencies, they are fun for me and I like the challenges, and I like helping people, and watching people, and learning about people, the shooting part seems to be pretty rare and not exactly a realistic scenario, meaning that once you have your basic defense covered, then concentrate on more important areas, like wheat and beans, or water, if a person is not natural born to fighting, then I can understand them having to work at preparing themselves for it, and it always being on their mind, and them always buying more gun goodies in the hope that it will change or overcome something.

Maybe it is because of my life and background, but I kind of take defense for granted, it is dealing with the emergency that interests me.


93 posted on 04/06/2013 11:16:24 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

I prep because I like emergencies, they are fun for me and I like the challenges, and I like helping people, and watching people, and learning about people, the shooting part seems to be pretty rare and not exactly a realistic scenario, meaning that once you have your basic defense covered, then concentrate on more important areas, like wheat and beans, or water, if a person is not natural born to fighting, then I can understand them having to work at preparing themselves for it, and it always being on their mind, and them always buying more gun goodies in the hope that it will change or overcome something.

Maybe it is because of my life and background, but I kind of take defense for granted, it is dealing with the emergency that interests me.


94 posted on 04/06/2013 11:16:24 PM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective quote-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: Sporke

The dark landscape of No. Korea shows that their environmental movement against lightbulbs was very successful.


95 posted on 04/06/2013 11:17:19 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Daffynition

Nope, Iran albeit with Russian backing. Iran is trying to make a play in the ME and has their buddies the Norks drawing resources away from there.


96 posted on 04/06/2013 11:18:03 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: ansel12

I am sure we have effective EMP weapons.

As far as hardening our equipment I suspect it is better.

Early CMOS was extremely succeptible to static discharge. They are diode protected now. And LSI has reduced lead length which presents less to pick up the impulse.

Would there be significant damage to cars and home electrical systems? Probably, but the idea of frying all the cars for 500 miles with one nuke is nonsense.

Fiber optics has helped in hardening phone systems, but they are dependent on commercial power. In the old days they had batter backup. Not that much now. Backup AC generators are the reserve now, it is all computer switching.

I remember seeing the inside of the step x step phone banks in Las Cruces NM. It was amazing. Beautifully loomed wire harnesses with rows and racks of relay stations. Huge. But they worked.

My how things have changed.


97 posted on 04/06/2013 11:18:17 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: ansel12

Much of communications was replaced by fiber op which EMP cannot hurt, unless it can disrupt the original / terminal connections / devices. And there are many communication paths we have, militarily-speaking.

But there are multiple redundant ways of launching missiles. I’ve heard claims we couldn’t fire ICBM’s which is preposterous, and there are always the Ohio’s.

At this point the only ones, IMHO, that could launch a serious EMP attack on the USA would be Mother Russia and by some stretch the Chinese. I don’t think they would do that unless an ICBM was 5 or 10 minutes right behind it. Unlikely at this point in time, also IMHO.

But a nuclear weapon smuggled into a port? I think that Pakistan could pull it off and there’s a significant part I don’t trust over there (with good reason).


98 posted on 04/06/2013 11:19:22 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: ansel12
I have three of these out in the shed somewhere..EMP won't take them out :-)

Bought them from Fair Radio Sales many years ago.

Also have the little crank generators with the fold out seat. Inside the generator case is a greasy little pouch with parts to rebuild it in the field.

CW and AM HF transceivers...the old AN/GRC-9 used extensively in WW2.

99 posted on 04/06/2013 11:20:56 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Some systems (providers) still have battery backup. I was in the basement of one (small Midwestern group) looking at their batteries through the security doors (but still with reinforced glass) back in 2009. It was an internet / internet phone / cable TV provider.

Huge amounts of batteries in that room, about 4-5 feet tall, IIRC.


100 posted on 04/06/2013 11:22:27 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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