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Coburn: There won’t be a filibuster
cnn ^ | April 9, 2013 | Kevin Liptak

Posted on 04/09/2013 5:03:46 PM PDT by Red Steel

(CNN) – A key player in negotiations over potential gun control legislation said on Tuesday a planned GOP filibuster of the bill won’t occur if Democrats allow Republicans to bring amendments up for a vote.

Sen. Tom Coburn, speaking on CNN’s “Erin Burnett Outfront,” said a filibuster that’s been promised by more than a dozen fellow Republicans would prevent Americans from seeing where their elected officials stand on the issue.

“It’s not going to be filibustered,” Coburn said, adding that the Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid needs to offer "an open amendment process" in order for Republicans to agree to allow a vote.

"We ought to have this debate. America needs to know where we stand," Coburn continued, adding “That’s what the Senate should be about."

The Oklahoma Republican, who enjoys a top or “A” rating from the National Rifle Association, was among a bipartisan group of senators working behind the scenes on legislation aimed at expanding background checks on gun sales.

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The talks hit a snag, however, on the issue of record-keeping – Coburn vehemently opposes any attempt by the federal government to retain information on gun owners.

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Nevada; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: banglist; cnn; coburn; erinburnettoutfront; filibuster; guncontrol; gunfilibuster; harryreid; nevada; npr; oklahoma; secondamendment; senate; tomcoburn; ussenate
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To: nonliberal
Fight until hell freezes over, then fight on the ice.

Indeed.

"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival.

There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
-- Winston Churchill

51 posted on 04/09/2013 7:35:57 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: redgolum

Don’t worry, even if it does pass the Roberts Court will never, ever allow it to stand....

(sarcasm)


52 posted on 04/09/2013 7:38:57 PM PDT by wolf24
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To: Red Steel
Mark Levin EXPLODES!!: "An Up And Down Vote On The 2nd Amendment Is
53 posted on 04/09/2013 7:40:15 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: rurgan

obamacare didn’t pass either, did it? That was all I heard,”It will never pass the _________” “It won’tget pass ______”, “The Supreme Court will declare it Unconstitutional”. In 2014 it [obamacare] will in full force.


54 posted on 04/09/2013 7:44:43 PM PDT by sport
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To: Windflier
Sure, they can put into law that records of firearms sales or background checks be destroyed within three days, but who in their right mind believes the feds will actually do it?

IMHO they are NOT being destroyed in 3 days. I read an article over the weekend that ATF is keeping gun sale records in separate regional data bases and therefore outside of the law. I cannot find that article tonight but did find these two articles. The Admin does whatever it wants the laws be damned. This attitude is in the RAT DNA.

BATF Backdoor Firearms Registration Scheme

“ATF has never maintained a database of lawful firearms owners“? Oh, yeah? What about this:

The ATF Firearm Tracing System (eTrace) provides manual & automated data retrieval of lawful firearms owners and transactions from the following sources:

1. All previous firearms traces from all sources,

2. Dealer, Importer, and Manufacturer computer, paper or microfilm “Bound Book” Out-of-Business records (including digital files required by ATF Ruling 2008-2),

3. Dealer “Bound Book” records (computer and/or paper) copied or photographed by ATF during annual inspections.

4 ATF Form 4473 from dealers copied or photographed during annual inspections and in Out-of-Business records.

5. Multiple Firearm Sales reports (ATF F 3310.4)

6. Traditional trace phone calls to the manufacturer, distributor and final selling dealer,

7. Additional data sources, such as some state firearms sales records as required by state law or policy.

8. Dealer “Bound Books” over 20 years old voluntarily sent in to ATF, including some antique firearms allowed to be entered in “Bound Books”.

9. Stolen firearms reported to ATF (Not NCIC).

10. System 2000 automated retrieval system from manufacturers, importers and distributors (100 companies as of 2010)

11. Certain firearms dealers required by ATF to report certain used firearms transaction to ATF for entry into the Firearms Tracing System.

12. For every firearm reported stolen to the NCIC stolen firearms database, New Jersey now automatically submits a trace to ATF (NJ Trace System). ATF is reported as working on a similar program.

13. Some state firearm registration systems are being loaded into the ATF tracing system.

14. In a press release, New Jersey admits tracing (from police records) all of private gun purchases into the ATF Firearms Tracing System through eTrace. By state law, New York and Connecticut also require tracing of all such private purchase firearms.

15. ATF hired private consultants to catalog information on firearms and submit trace requests from police departments to ATF.

16. ATF has imposed a requirement (pilot project) to report all dealer multiple sales (2 or more) of all semi-auto rifles with a detachable magazine greater than .22 caliber. (Currently restricted to California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas – border states with Mexico). This requirement includes 100 year old Model 1907 Winchester rifles, WWII M1 Carbines, German G43 rifles, FN 49 rifles, and many other historic firearms of primary interest to collectors which are not known to be used by Mexican drug catels. Over 7,000 lawful firearm sales reported to date.

This is not an inclusive list, as other sources exist.

55 posted on 04/09/2013 8:04:50 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Cheerio
I read an article over the weekend that ATF is keeping gun sale records in separate regional data bases and therefore outside of the law. I cannot find that article tonight but did find these two articles.

Thanks for the report, Cheerio.

Have you posted either of those articles as a separate thread? Every Freeper needs to see that information. It needs to go viral.

56 posted on 04/09/2013 8:22:50 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Red Steel

Don’t worry: this will never pass. There are a lot of Democrats from conservative districts who will be tough elections. So calm down.

-The smartest people in the conservative room, March 2010 right before Obamacare passed....


57 posted on 04/09/2013 8:33:28 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Red Steel
The talks hit a snag, however, on the issue of record-keeping – Coburn vehemently opposes any attempt by the federal government to retain information on gun owners.

Coburn actually believes that the government will abide by the law? After Fast & Furious???

Sounds like he's taking too many meds.

58 posted on 04/09/2013 8:36:57 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Cheerio
I just posted the source article of your post #55.

ATF Death Watch 148: Lies, Damned Lies and Federal Gun Registries

59 posted on 04/09/2013 8:42:04 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Red Steel

This is a revitalization of windfire, under Carter and Bush 41.


60 posted on 04/09/2013 8:45:39 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Carry_Okie
Coburn actually believes that the government will abide by the law?

Yeah, they would never abuse a database crammed with information about law-abiding Americans, right?

EPA acknowledges releasing personal details on farmers

61 posted on 04/09/2013 8:51:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Life. Liberty. Property. Family. Sovereignty. Security. Borders. The Constitutional Oath.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Didn’t all these politicians take an oath to defend the Constitution & the Bill of Rights? They should be impeached if they break that oath. What a bunch of hobo losers.


62 posted on 04/09/2013 8:54:50 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Red Steel

Tom Coburn sure seems to enjoy being the voice of “moderation” against his more conservative fellow Republicans. It must be all those “Gang of 6, 8, 14, etc.” he keeps joining to sell out his conservative colleagues’ ideals. He sounds more and more like Lindsey Graham and John McCain every day.


63 posted on 04/09/2013 8:57:21 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Tzimisce
Don’t worry: this will never pass.

Don't ever say that. Remember Obamacare -

Scott Brown will be the vote stopping it.

The House Blue Dog RATS will not vote for it because of abortion funding.

The GOP takes the House and will defund Obamacare.

The States will sue up through the SCOTUS and they will find the individual mandate Unconstitutional and the whole law collapses without that part.

64 posted on 04/09/2013 10:02:19 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: faithhopecharity

If Republicans are of the belief that there must be an up-or-down vote on bills that violate the most unambiguous part of the Bill of Rights, then what is the purpose of serving in the Senate?


65 posted on 04/09/2013 10:14:19 PM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: Red Steel

I am so sorry I ever voted for Coburn. But in my defense, he has changed over the past 3-4 years.

As far as his line about not knowing where my senators stand on the issue if the filibuster happens, BUNK! If the filibuster happens, and my senators don’t side with the filibuster, I’ll know exactly where they stand.


66 posted on 04/10/2013 2:42:16 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Red Steel
The talks hit a snag, however, on the issue of record-keeping – Coburn vehemently opposes any attempt by the federal government to retain information on gun owners.

The FBI is not supposed to retain info about background checks. They do anyway, because the legislation never specified a penalty for doing so.

Have an amendment saying that having possession of background check info, or permitting background check info to be retained, is a felony punishable by 10 years in prison, with no statute of limitation. So any FBI executive that orders retention, or any FBI IT person making a backup of the info, or any FBI IT person making it possible to make backups of the info, goes to jail. And while the current administration would not prosecute, they have to worry about future admins.

67 posted on 04/10/2013 4:05:35 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Windflier
Sure, they can put into law that records of firearms sales or background checks be destroyed within three days, but who in their right mind believes the feds will actually do it?

A mandate that something be done, with no prescribed penalties to not doing it, is just window dressing. See my post #67

68 posted on 04/10/2013 4:09:53 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Red Steel
Here's what our Government is trying to do. They get the background check and hold the records, claiming it's not compiled in a database, but then Obama declares a State of Emergency on violence and uses an Executive Order to force the FBI and ATF to compile a database of all gun owners.

It's an end-around the Constitution.

69 posted on 04/10/2013 4:12:17 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: 1010RD

Failure and complicity.


70 posted on 04/10/2013 6:13:47 AM PDT by izzatzo (NO MORE BUSHES!)
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To: Cheerio

Read my post again.


71 posted on 04/10/2013 1:11:21 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: redgolum

0, zero Republicans in the Senate or House voted for Obamacare. all demcorats did vote for Obamacare .so explain to me how the GOP sold you out on Obamacare. oh did they also pass Amnesty ? no. and this is with the media matrix we live in


72 posted on 04/10/2013 2:58:00 PM PDT by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: sport

0, zero Republicans in the Senate or House voted for Obamacare. all demcorats did vote for Obamacare .so explain to me how the GOP sold you out on Obamacare. oh did they also pass Amnesty ? no. and this is with the media matrix we live in


73 posted on 04/10/2013 2:58:30 PM PDT by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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