Skip to comments.The Toomey-Manchin Proposal Will Allow Doctors to Block Your Right to Guns
Posted on 04/10/2013 11:40:05 AM PDT by rmlew
I just talked to someone familiar with the Toomey-Manchin proposal who raises a serious concern based on his understanding of the legislation.
Everyone on all sides agrees that we need better help for those with mental health problems who need treatment.
Unfortunately, the person I talked with is concerned that the Toomey-Manchin proposal could discourage people from getting help.
The proposal will allow a doctor to add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) without ever telling the patient he or she has been added.
There would be no due process requirement. Not all doctors will be able to do it with the same ease, but many will. Knowing a doctor could add him to a federal database as mentally ill without his knowledge could potentially dissuade a patient from going to the doctor in the first place to get help.
Worse, if the doctor does so and makes a mistake, the patient would have to actively work through the system to get himself removed guilty before being proven innocent. In some states, should a doctor flag you as having mental illness without your knowledge, you may very well see the state come collect your previously purchased guns.
Activist mental health providers will probably be overly aggressive in adding people to the list. Give it five years in liberal areas and people who believe in the physical resurrection of Christ will probably get automatic entry onto the list.
Mental health is a serious issue and the Toomey-Manchin legislation could have negative consequences. Worse, it would still not stop a Columbine, a Newtown, or the daily massacres in Chicago.
I’m beginning to realize that this is what they really want. They don’t need anything else.
And let me guess: The doctor or other health care professional who reported you and made a mistake will be protected from litigation.
Well considering I don't intend to play by their "universal" system (as a seller or buyer) no matter what laws are passed and I long ago "opted out" of the Brady law, by only buying from individuals. I'm not particularly worried about anybody blocking my right to guns. Oh true, they might block my right to go down to the local gun store and buy one off the self, but I haven't played that game since before the brady bill went into effect anyway.
In reality, I will bet that the Doctor probably wouldn’t know that he’s adding anyone to a “list.”
The Doctor would simply put in a code (required by ObamaCare) that means something simple like, “patient has reported increased stress”.
What the Government will do - without the Docs knowledge - is start searching for those particular codes and then flag people.
HIPPA be damned.
Without a strong 2nd there just are no other Rights.
Primary them. Even if they win a primary, they are forced to spend money and are weakened. We need payback.
How many people have had legitimate issues with Experian and other credit agencies? And there you have data that shows where the mistaken reporting came from. And recourse to fix it.
It’s like the no fly database. No way of knowing how you ended up there. No way to fix it if you’re there by mistake.
I can’t find it at http://thomas.loc.gov
A secret bill?
Oh yeah, and you can bet all of this is already in place in Obamacare.
Further comments self censored...........(((ping))).
This will keep Ashley Judd from having a gun????
Is there anyone who is fifty or older who hasn’t had trouble sleeping or who hasn’t had a period of anxiety or depression?? Better not say anything about it to your doctor.
So they are going to make doctors the “police.”
And HIPA privacy be damned.
“The doctor or other health care professional who reported you and made a mistake will be protected from litigation.”
I wouldn’t be surprised if they were allowed to remain anonymous.
Face it. It is over That jackass McCain and his buds sold out.
No use voting anymore. People always said this is where they would draw the line. Yeah right. Just kicking the can down the road. The fight is over.
If I were a doctor, I would be concerned. If a person is determined, and unstable (why else would they be seeing the doctor) they’d be able to find a gun somewhere and might not be happy with the doctor.
If I were a doctor, I would refuse to comply for my own safety.
Yup, once again it's that time of day to beg your own government for freedoms which were not even in question not long ago.
Beg them to stop punishing you, call them, but be polite and ask them real nice to stop dancing with the devil. Remember, be polite, say please, say thank you, and provide them all your information!
oops we = The...sorry..Mistakes happens (even from us CONSERVATIVES)
I quadrupled my money on gunbroker.com
Toomey and Manchin's legislation clarifies that doctors can enter mental health records into the national background check system without it being a violation of privacy laws.That's nice. No due process!
A list of conservative, Second-Amendment friendly physicians in every state needs to be compiled, that is, if doing so hasn’t been made illegal.
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