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Coburn: Manchin-Toomey deal is 'unworkable'
The Hill ^ | Apr 10, 2013 | Daniel Strauss

Posted on 04/10/2013 8:45:43 PM PDT by what's up

n. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) panned an agreement to expand background checks on gun sales that Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) unveiled on Wednesday.

"The Manchin-Toomey proposal is a good faith but unworkable plan," Coburn said in a statement. "The proposal will impose new taxes and unreasonable burdens on law-abiding citizens."

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; coburn; guncontrol; guns; manchin; secondamendment; toomey
"The proposal also unwisely expands the government’s power to regulate and control the sales of firearms," Coburn said. "A government takeover of gun shows will open more loopholes than it closes. Instead of paying a gun show tax, gun owners will simply handle those transactions elsewhere. The Manchin-Toomey proposal, unfortunately, trades a workable way to improve access the NICS database for a system that is not workable and will be extremely difficult to pass Congress and become law."
1 posted on 04/10/2013 8:45:43 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

Bump


2 posted on 04/10/2013 8:46:57 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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3 posted on 04/10/2013 8:48:24 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: what's up

Heck yeah!


4 posted on 04/10/2013 8:53:14 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: what's up

Send Senator Coburn an email to bolster his resolve for the vote tomorrow!


5 posted on 04/10/2013 9:00:56 PM PDT by MNGal
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To: what's up

Toomey, a so-called Tea Party Conservative, has turned out to be an f’n American traitor. Pat Toomey needs to learn a lesson. This jack wagon had Chuckie Schumer sign off on all the work he and Manchin did, and then has the audacity to demand that Schumer isn’t on TV when Toomey’s amendment is unveiled. Do you think Toomey was thinking more about politics or about our God given rights?


6 posted on 04/10/2013 9:02:11 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: what's up

He neglected to mention in his statement some of the more troubling aspects of the bill that are related to mental health issues/HIPPA.


7 posted on 04/10/2013 9:02:19 PM PDT by MNGal
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To: what's up; Gilbo_3; forty_years; Robert357; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; Pelham; Theodore R.

Check this out.

I thought Coburn was a ‘work with Obama’ GOP.


8 posted on 04/10/2013 9:02:51 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I believe the good doctor is rethinking his original position. You can’t go squishy if your are a Senator from the most “red” state in the Union. Thank you Oklahoma!


9 posted on 04/10/2013 9:03:48 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: what's up
Some of the "unreasonable burdens."

TITLE ONE: GETTING ALL THE NAMES OF PROHIBITED PURCHASERS INTO THE BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM

Summary of Title I: This section improves background checks for firearms by strengthening the instant check system.

- Encourage states to provide all their available records to NICS by restricting federal funds to states who do not comply.

- Allow dealers to voluntarily use the NICS database to run background checks on their prospective employees.

- Clarifies that submissions of mental health records into the NICS system are not prohibited by federal privacy laws (HIPAA).

- Provides a legal process for a veteran to contest his/her placement in NICS when there is no basis for barring the right to own a firearm.

By "all their available records" just what records are they blackmailing states for with that statist bilge water? "All" is a pretty big word when only a very few records are applicable to denying someone their right to keep and bear arms.

Does that means dealers can run NICS checks on prospective employees without their knowledge or consent? I have no idea what the word 'voluntarily' means there. Does it mean dealers will be allowed to not run NICS checks if they prefer not to?

Submissions of mental health records? Since when has it been legal to deny any American their rights without due process? Isn't it required that a person be adjudicated mentally deficient by a court of law to do that? Mental health records are entirely irrelevant except to those court proceedings. This bill sounds like Stalinist purge material.

Is #4 an admission that the Bill of Rights doesn't cover veterans or an admission that it doesn't cover anyone anymore?

This bill is worse than any ban on some specific models or types of guns. It's a huge foot in the door to trash the 2nd Amend., the 4th Amend., the 5th Amend. and the 10th Amend. Is this the Trojan Horse all of this gun control demagoguery was really about?

10 posted on 04/10/2013 9:07:03 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: what's up

So the subtext is that Coburn supports letting the rats bill get to the Senate floor, where anything (probably bad) can happen.


11 posted on 04/10/2013 9:16:19 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: what's up
The deal by Toomey and Manchin expands background checks on guns to include sales done at gun shows and over the internet.

They're either naive or stupid, or more likely devious. Internet firearms sales already go thru a FFL dealer with background checks.

12 posted on 04/10/2013 9:18:09 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: what's up

I can see that Coburn will be avoiding Joe and Mika for a while,

Usually its a love-in when he goes on the show.

Mika will be very disappointed in him HA-HA,


13 posted on 04/10/2013 9:22:41 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: TigersEye

I think Upchuck U Schumer is working to become the first Jewish American Nazi...


14 posted on 04/10/2013 9:43:47 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Compliance with Tyranny is Treason...)
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To: onyx

Two words, Mr. Toomey. Arlen Spector.


15 posted on 04/10/2013 9:44:24 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: Kickass Conservative

He has a heckuva good start and Toomey and Manchin must want to be his lieutenants. This abomination is way worse than a ban on ARs or 30 rd. mags. This is aimed at obliterating the BoRs.


16 posted on 04/10/2013 9:48:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: what's up

“...impose new taxes and unreasonable burdens on law-abiding citizens.””

Well that’s the only kind of citizen the government CAN impose new taxes and unreasonable burdens on!


17 posted on 04/10/2013 9:51:26 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

No one who runs with an “R” behind his name can be trusted. It has to be third party. Actually, SECOND party.


18 posted on 04/10/2013 9:53:06 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: TigersEye
Morning bump. Thanks for your informative posts; I'd read them earlier. These are troublesome times fer sure. Take care

WHY IT ALL MATTERS: Armed Grandmother of 10 Stops Home Invader

19 posted on 04/11/2013 7:27:20 AM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: sickoflibs; what's up; Gilbo_3; forty_years; Robert357; NFHale; stephenjohnbanker; Pelham; ...

” I thought Coburn was a ‘work with Obama’ GOP.”

Do you know what Ok. people are like?

They already built the platform, and the noose is in place : )


20 posted on 04/11/2013 12:10:11 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: cyn

Hi, cyn. I’m glad my post was helpful. That is a good story you linked to. Sounds like my paternal granma who is long gone now. Raised on a ranch in WY with several older brothers. She was no one to mess with.


21 posted on 04/11/2013 1:48:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: what's up
The Manchin-Toomey proposal is a good faith but unworkable plan

No.

The manchin-toomey scheme is a bad faith attempt to subvert the Constitution and arrogate powers to the government which are explicitly denied it by the Second Amendment.

manchin and toomey are domestic enemies of the Constitution.

22 posted on 04/11/2013 1:50:56 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: TigersEye
- Provides a legal process for a veteran to contest his/her placement in NICS when there is no basis for barring the right to own a firearm

you can bet it will cost you a lot and the goobermint has unlimited funds to fight you.(and it won't be 'loser pays'.

23 posted on 04/11/2013 2:26:12 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: TigersEye

Sounds like a wonder heritage.

Ranch + older brothers = no one to mess with! Older brothers are priceless, I can vouch for that.


24 posted on 04/11/2013 2:26:45 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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To: TurboZamboni
That is kind of a secondary concern to the fact that a veteran can have his/her firearms confiscated without due process to begin with. Actions like that should result in a civil suit about deprivation of rights under the color of authority with a multi-million dollar settlement for each and every veteran they do that to. Same for civilians.

This Toomey-Manchin compromise goes way beyond whacking the 2nd Amendment. It's a BoR killer. Send me a case of tinfoil because I think this was the plan all along.

25 posted on 04/11/2013 2:31:27 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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