Posted on 04/11/2013 9:29:25 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
Remington has made their intentions to stay in the state of New York clear in a recent meeting with state lawmakers, in spite of the passage of the SAFE act, the highly controversial gun control package that has already started to come undone.
Dozens and dozens of companies have boycotted New York law enforcement in protest of the passage of these gun laws, and companies across the U.S. are relocating following the recent push for increased gun control around the country.
Remington is taking the opposite tack, and is going forward with plans for a $20 million upgrade to their manufacturing facility in Ilion, N.Y. They are doing so to fulfill a 10-year contract with the military to supply SOCOM with 5,000 Remington MSR sniper rifles. The contract is worth $79.7 million for the rifles as well as Advanced Armament Corp. Titan QD suppressors and 4,696,800 rounds of ammo.
The state of New York has granted Remington millions of dollars over the years to upgrade and renovate their Illion facilities, almost $6 million just recently.
“In 2010, Empire State Development, the agency that works with private companies to attract and retain jobs, announced $2.5 million in grants and subsidies to help Remington bring its Marlin lever-action gun production from Connecticut to Ilion and add 100 jobs. That followed two grants in 2009 worth $3 million for renovations and machinery.
Whether the state will continue to support and subsidize Remington and other Freedom Group gun manufacturers is another issue entirely. But for at least the next decade, Remington will remain at their Ilion home, where they employ about 1,200 people, in order to supply the military with rifles uninterrupted.
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A boycott of Remington makes no sense. Few companies the size of Remington can afford to just pick up and move out state not to mention they would be displacing over 1 thousand workers. They also have received millions in incentives to stay in NY that they might have to pay back if they left. Remington does not support the NY law, they just decided not to move. Attacking Remington doesnt help gun owners it helps the anti-gunners who would put Remington out of business if they could. And who is next? Are we going to boycott every gun company in the Northeast or Calif? The left would love for us to drive all allies out of business.
Then buy their products, and we won`t. Cool?
“Then buy their products, and we won`t. Cool?”
Fine. I boycotted S&W when they sucked up to KKKlinton, I just dont see what did Remington did that justifies a boycott.
If a boycott doesn’t make sense, does doing the opposite make sense? I mean, buying from Remington now that they’ve decided to reward the oppressors of the 2A.
I have a Remington 597 .22. I’ll probably sell it now.
“If a boycott doesn’t make sense, does doing the opposite make sense? I mean, buying from Remington now that they’ve decided to reward the oppressors of the 2A.”
How did they reward the oppressors??
Lazamataz has no plans to buy Remington products.
No Remington’s will be purchased for our household.
They have committed to staying in NYS, paying taxes, supporting the state’s economy. By buying Remington, now, customers end up contributing to the upkeep of the fascists in NYS government.
For some, this is a matter of conscience. For you, it is not.
Laissez Faire, but I for one will be avoiding Remington products in the foreseeable future.
I understand why Remington is standing fast at this time - I'm sure they gave certain assurances in exchange for the state grant that they accepted a while back. Bad timing for the expansion and even worse luck.
Browning and Winchester are in Utah, so there are alternatives.
Remington didn't really do anything; the political landscape in NY changed. Years ago, a pro-RKBA statement from the company would've probably been enough to smooth all the ruffled feathers - but no longer. Anti-gun states are increasingly viewed as enemy territory and the fireams manufacturers that pay taxes there will lose market share.
It's the "new normal".
If Remington® doesn’t have the Lazamataz Seal of Approval, I ain’t buying one.
“They have committed to staying in NYS, paying taxes, supporting the state’s economy. By buying Remington, now, customers end up contributing to the upkeep of the fascists in NYS government. For some, this is a matter of conscience. For you, it is not.”
I live in NY so I must be just as guilty. And dont forget all the guilty pro-gun conservative types in the big lib states. I would also like to leave but my job keeps me here as well as a disabled relative that depends upon me and my wife for support. Like Remington I CANT leave right now. We are not supporting the oppressors, we ARE the oppressed. Its easy for you guys to condem those who aren’t instantly mobile but some of us have little choice.
I was aware of the likelihood of Remington staying where they are and I had come down to a choice between a Remington 700 and a Browning X-Bolt in .308. I chose Browning for that and other reasons.
I don’t contribute money to people who are not totally on our side. Screw ‘em.
I am a NYS escapee. I understand your plight. If you want out, it takes time and effort. If you have personal reasons for staying, then you alone can judge whether they outweigh the intrusions of NYS government.
However, this isn’t about whether Remington (or you) have the right to stay, or good reasons to stay. It is about whether people will reward them for doing so. In your case, you are not in business to sell products to people who are vehemently opposed to the unconstitutional gun-grab recently enacted by the NYS government.
Remington IS in the business of selling things to the people targeted by the state government they have reaffirmed in their decision to remain. To borrow from Robert Frost... And that has made all the difference.
I hope you can understand the distinction, and that I have adequately explained it.
BTW - The emotional ploy of trying to equate individuals with companies, who by definition exist for very different reasons, is an annoying liberal tactic. Not a complaint, really, but I didn’t want you to think I missed it.
“Boycott Remington”
We already do. Remington has never recalled the 700 for its trigger problems and they are still selling the rifles with the old triggers. They have come out with a new trigger but you have to pay more for them. Current TV had a documentary on it last night. Its quite obvious Remington does’nt give a flip about its customers.
The gun companies are special cases, if they can`t show the resolve to stand for our Constitution, given all that stands between them and bankruptcy IS the Constitution, then why should I go out of my way to support them?
Or is it that they ARE to be one of the priviledged few ALLOWED to opperate under the new tyranny? The armory of despots? Well then not only will I not patronize them, they can kiss my conservative ASS, eat shit, die and go straight to hell and rot!
“Remington IS in the business of selling things to the people targeted by the state government they have reaffirmed in their decision to remain.”
I do not agree that remington’s decision to remain in NY reaffirms the actions of the state. If that is the case than every firearms company that remained in the US after the AWB of 1994 could be accused of supporting that law. The choice for Remington may be to stay or go bankrupt.
“BTW - The emotional ploy of trying to equate individuals with companies, who by definition exist for very different reasons, is an annoying liberal tactic.”
I’m sorry you see it that way but if Remington can be accused of supporting oppression simply by paying taxes how is that different than an individual paying taxes? Are you also going to boycott all NY businesses because they also pay taxes to Il Duce Cuomo’s govt? Remington loudly opposed the law and sent many of its workers to demonstrations against it. I can understand a boycott if they were favor of it but they were not.
If they manufacture a gun that is illegal in New York, then wouldn’t it be a violation of both State and Federal Law to ship it to a state where it is legal?
And wouldn’t everyone at the plant who touches the gun while it is in New York be subject to felony prosecution for possession of an illegal firearm?
Do you, as an individual, ask people to buy things from you for your livelihood? I assume you work for a company, presumably not one whose products are now illegal in the state you live in, earning your paycheck by providing value to the company.
We disagree on the reaffirmation aspects of this decision. That's fine - but (once again) I must remind you that the balancing act that you proclaim is necessary on Remington's behalf is one of their acceptance (or tacit endorsement, from a different point of view) of NYS actions against the willingness of their customer base to accept that action. Remington has made their decision. Their customer base now is free to make their own decisions.
The AWB was a nation wide law - not one principality among many. Escaping that law was not nearly as simple, and (to be honest) that law was not nearly as draconian as the current NYS law.
I wish you well in your survival quest there in NYS.
I don’t do business with Remington because I don’t like their guns. The last one I bought was a jam-o-matic.
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