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Wrongfully-arrested man considers lawsuit after marshals storm home
http://www.wlwt.com ^ | 9:37 PM EDT Apr 12, 2013 | unknown

Posted on 04/13/2013 7:57:49 AM PDT by redreno

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To: Christie at the beach

I should add the reason his father was angry was because after he learned that the 2 deputies had a sheet with the 2 guys descriptions and the tag number of this car involved. Neither one of those officers thought to check the sheet more closer, if had; they would have seen the differences in those 2 pieces of information. Kids didn’t deserve going through it, you know. One of those things. Hubby said he was scared since no one would listen though more sensible heads prevailed. I don’t like circumstantial evidence myself to be the leading component of a case. Get me solid-even one solid fact.


51 posted on 04/13/2013 10:36:25 AM PDT by Christie at the beach ( If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.)
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To: redreno

The Marshals excuse or qualify their actions by saying “It’s not uncommon for us to arrest fugitives in places other than that provided by the court”.

WTF???!!!!!

Are you insane?!

You are souless and without conscience.

You frequently bust into the wrong home and arrest absolutely innocent people, who aren’t doing anything other than living their previously happy life. You then destroy their personal property, shoot their dogs and assault them.

To top it off you cite them on trumped up bogus charges to increase the ante to obtain sympathy of the courts for your synthetic accusation that you could have been the victim.

Your answer to this incident and others like it is a manufactured tool of absolution for righteousness. It’s as if you walk on water and can swim.

There are no limits to your powers over “the citizen” as you deify yourself and your brothers.

You had the wrong place and a white guy. This while the warrant called for a specific place, that was described and a man who, similarly, was described.

Wrong neighborhood and the dude was the wrong color. You couldn’t check his ID! drivers license, querried the kids, passport or any number of other things afterward?

You guys suit up in your paramilitary gear then go all roidhead over your, supposedly, fellow Americans to get your rocks off and thrill in your costume party.

You kan’t muster a freakin apology? You guys are idiots and that likely would be all it would take for many us to somewhat accept your actions but, your inability to express any regret whatsoever is demonstrative of your superiority complex and I wouldn’t all be surprised to learn you are plagued by a caertain shortness, on the order of Ken Doll.

Why don’t you start being honest with yourselves and just display “your” flag.

CCCP

“Ave Good Day”


52 posted on 04/13/2013 10:37:18 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Cowgirl
Duh..the public complaints come in every day on a police officer. He/she is under under a microscope. In big cities, they would get killed for opening their mouths which some have ended up dead. It's not an easy clear cut answer like you seem to think. It's sad big cites have the worse problems with corruption. Chicago and NOLA. Affirmation action is not a good thing for being accepting in police work as well.
53 posted on 04/13/2013 10:41:38 AM PDT by Christie at the beach ( If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.)
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To: redreno
The only problem was that marshals had the wrong man and even the wrong house.

Right. Other than those two little details, the raid was flawless.

54 posted on 04/13/2013 10:46:58 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Enterprise

He is referencing the period when Cnristpoher Dorner was on the loose and LEO! before asking any questions or ascertaining with certainty they had the right vehicle and person, simply opened fire and shot up vehicles with more than 40 rounds in instance and nearly 100 rounds in another.

In both instances the vehicles didn’t match the description and did the the two little chinese galsm who were perforated.

Dorner was a hulking black fella, weighing some 250 pounds or more.


55 posted on 04/13/2013 10:47:05 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: NY Attitude

Like Chuckie?


56 posted on 04/13/2013 10:47:46 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

I am under no obligation to determine the intent of a poster.


57 posted on 04/13/2013 10:49:58 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Christie at the beach; Cowgirl

Officers are dismissed for cause every day, and some are arrested and prosecuted. In many cases, their fellow officers give adverse information against them to internal affairs and in court.


58 posted on 04/13/2013 10:53:41 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

Very true. They have this and the public complaints that go to IA. They are being watched so people should not think they can do anything they want because that is not true. I would not want them at my house as this. I might freak out, or just defend myself because you have no idea of what is going on since it’s taking place so fast. These cops have said they made a mistake on this incident. People, like myself, have to decide how they feel/to sue or whatever.


59 posted on 04/13/2013 11:10:01 AM PDT by Christie at the beach ( If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.)
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To: Enterprise

As far as I’m concerned the police have totally crossed the line and I haven’t heard anyone in the police department complaining about in any media.


60 posted on 04/13/2013 11:58:58 AM PDT by Cowgirl
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To: Enterprise
Since you are not referencing a specific incident, and are leaving the question open to interpretation, what if the truck that was accidentally stopped contained wanted violent felons who were intent on killing a police officer?

Actually, I was referring to this: women shot during lapd ex-cop manhunt had no warning

61 posted on 04/13/2013 12:38:56 PM PDT by EricT.
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To: jeffc
Why in the world do they do these "no-knock" raids?

For the sport of it. It's catch and release.

62 posted on 04/13/2013 12:54:39 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Vendome

Yep.


63 posted on 04/13/2013 1:50:02 PM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: Enterprise
Since you are not referencing a specific incident, and are leaving the question open to interpretation, what if the truck that was accidentally stopped contained wanted violent felons...?

Ah, the "Fire Marshall Bill" approach to law enforcement.

64 posted on 04/13/2013 1:59:58 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: bert

Haven’t you been watching Justified.


65 posted on 04/13/2013 2:03:47 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: redreno
"They said it’s not uncommon for them to arrest fugitives somewhere other than the address provided by the court."

According to criminals, everyone's a criminal. According to criminal police, the chances that criminals are at a wrong address or in a wrong vehicle are very high. It's the us-against-them attitude that police leaders of the past warned about.

And friends, corrupt police are more likely to be in a podunk town than a big city. If you find criminal police, call the Public Integrity Section of the Justice Dept.


66 posted on 04/13/2013 2:39:42 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: redreno

What is this “considers?” Immediate and thorough would be a very good response. The powers that be need to stop making these “mistakes.”


67 posted on 04/13/2013 3:23:34 PM PDT by madison10
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To: elpadre

US Marshal deputies apprehend fugitives. They don’t have a “jurisdiction” per se (other than all US Territory).

I’m guessing, they were directed to the house by local or federal officers; however, they do research and use technology to track and apprehend fugitives, and if that is was what happened in this incident, someone is going back to guarding courtrooms!


68 posted on 04/13/2013 3:50:15 PM PDT by Toadman (To anger a Conservative, tell a lie. To anger a liberal, tell the truth.)
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To: pepsionice

There is indeed supposed to be contact with the local elected authority, usually the county sheriff. If the marshalls are acting without the help of the local sheriff their butts are hanging out a mile or more. And by the way, it might help them get the right house. This isn’t far , from what we have so far, from being another Ruby Ridge, and the marshalls had better learn good.


69 posted on 04/13/2013 5:19:25 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Venturer

Body armor? I don’t have any small guns. My ‘06 doesn’t care how much underwear someone beating on my door is wearing.


70 posted on 04/13/2013 5:29:03 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Cowgirl; jiggyboy
"As far as I’m concerned the police have totally crossed the line and I haven’t heard anyone in the police department complaining about in any media."

Well, at the risk of jiggyboy calling me Fire Marshall Bill again, can you narrow down which agency, and which police you are referring to?

71 posted on 04/13/2013 6:13:08 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: jiggyboy

Why would this be a Fire Marshall Bill response to law enforcement? Is the poster I was responding to a law enforcement officer?


72 posted on 04/13/2013 6:15:58 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: EricT.

The incident to which you are referring was still classified as a mistake though wasn’t it? If you have information that the officers decided to randomly stop a vehicle and open fire on it I would like to read it.


73 posted on 04/13/2013 6:18:02 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: elpadre
Excellent question! The U.S. Marshall's office has been tracking down fugitives for about 30 years now. This will shock many of the posters here, but many times, fugitives flee so they won't be caught, and they are not arrested at their own home. So, using what resources are available to them, the Marshall's office apprehends people all the time who are on the run.

Arresting Figutives

74 posted on 04/13/2013 6:30:24 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Chode

See post #74.


75 posted on 04/13/2013 6:32:35 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: BamaDi

Looking through the article, it appears that this was not a Federal Warrant.


76 posted on 04/13/2013 6:35:19 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Romulus
"For decades the loudest yelps for law ‘n’ order came from the right..."

The problem is not those who love the rule of law and order, it's when those entrusted to enforce law and order flagrantly violate them without consequence.

77 posted on 04/13/2013 6:41:30 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Enterprise; EricT.

Is this true for all cases of wrong addresses?


It is if you are demolishing a condemned house. I saw a case where a wrecking crew began destroying “the wrong house” with the owner and his family inside.

It’s also true if you are kicking in the door and you are armed to the teeth.


78 posted on 04/13/2013 6:42:04 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
"It’s also true if you are kicking in the door and you are armed to the teeth."

In the article we are discussing, can you point out where the officers kicked in the door?

79 posted on 04/13/2013 6:46:18 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise
In my LE years, mostly in the 60’s, the FBI handled the out of state Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution or imprisonment and did an impressive job, often using local LE to help. Since it was usually a state warrant (no DEA then) the unlawful flight perps would be turned over to any LE for confinement and the state issuing the warrant notified to come and get him.
80 posted on 04/13/2013 7:46:35 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elpadre

Thanks. For the most part, the Marshalls were mostly prisoner transport. Something happened and they were given the additional responsibility of tracking down fugitives. I can’t remember who changed things or why.


81 posted on 04/13/2013 7:50:38 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: unixfox

This is why many, if not most, of the police prefer an unarmed citizenry.


82 posted on 04/13/2013 8:28:31 PM PDT by paristexas
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To: paristexas

Your assertion is incorrect. The majority of the police support the rights of the citizens to keep and bear arms. It is the criminals, and the Democrats, who want to disarm the citizens.


83 posted on 04/13/2013 10:17:50 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: redreno

Considers?????


84 posted on 04/14/2013 3:52:21 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cowgirl

So why aren’t the “good” police officers reporting on the bad ones.

That is the question. As long as the good ones cover for the others, they are all guilty of being tyrants and thugs.


85 posted on 04/14/2013 4:30:10 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Vendome

An apology isn’t good enough for breaking and entering and kidnapping.


86 posted on 04/14/2013 4:33:05 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: xkaydet65

i find Justified to be so interesting I generally watch it twice.

It is complex and I can’t absorb the small details in one sitting


87 posted on 04/14/2013 4:48:05 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: Enterprise; Vendome

We expect FReepers to have a clue about recent fairly high-profile, much-discussed events.

It is not an unreasonable expectation, in general.


88 posted on 04/14/2013 5:03:24 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Enterprise

Channeling Dr. Johnson today are we?


89 posted on 04/14/2013 5:41:48 AM PDT by skepsel ("Whole lotta things I ain't never done, ain't never had too much fun" C. Cody)
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To: skepsel

Ooops, my mistake, meant for post #30, Dr Samuel Johnson regarding colonial demands that English authorities respect their liberties said that the loudest yelps for liberty came from the drivers of slaves.


90 posted on 04/14/2013 5:47:19 AM PDT by skepsel ("Whole lotta things I ain't never done, ain't never had too much fun" C. Cody)
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To: Enterprise; paristexas

That’s what paristexas said...


91 posted on 04/14/2013 5:57:23 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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To: FreedomPoster

Spoken like a true comic book intellectual.


92 posted on 04/14/2013 9:16:26 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Hugh the Scot

The statements are not the same. Explain please.


93 posted on 04/14/2013 9:20:30 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: skepsel

Just channeling Dr. Spoof.


94 posted on 04/14/2013 9:22:04 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

Spoken like a comic. Keep your day job.


95 posted on 04/14/2013 9:26:55 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Too late. I already quit.


96 posted on 04/14/2013 9:31:50 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise
"Fire Marshall Bill"'s schtick was to assume that each of two or three events of ever-increasing improbability (e.g. coughing fit near the gas range plus meteor shower) were all to happen sequentially in a short period of time, thus "proving" a safety hazard in a place that in fact had no danger whatsoever. His own dramatization of his imaginary scenario inevitably led to fiery disaster.

"what if the truck that was accidentally stopped contained wanted violent felons who were intent on killing a police officer?" is by itself a combination of two, and possibly three, low probability events, making it a poor rebuttal.

97 posted on 04/14/2013 10:13:16 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy

Fire Marshall Bill was television schtick. As was you post.


98 posted on 04/14/2013 10:18:43 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

Opening fire on the wrong people, especially those who were doing nothing wrong or threatening in any way to the officers, is not a “mistake.”

You are welcome to be at the receiving end of such a “mistake” and see if you are still sympathetic.

The incident I referred to involved the wrong make and color of truck, and the two women inside looked nothing like the suspect they sought. The police tried to kill them anyway.


99 posted on 04/14/2013 11:35:11 AM PDT by EricT.
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To: Enterprise

You outed yourself as a troll, and a poor one, in your #72 when you pretended to confuse “approach” and “response”.

My #97 was background for the benefit of those possessing at least a minimal ability to discuss the subject honestly at a high-school or better level of discourse — I shouldn’t have addressed it to you for that reason.


100 posted on 04/14/2013 11:37:48 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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