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History repeats itself, and this time, we are the NATIVES! Who is Cesar Conda?
TheTownCrier ^ | April 13, 2013 | TheTownCrier

Posted on 04/13/2013 12:55:35 PM PDT by AuntB

A few years ago, I wrote a book, "Jesus Wept" an American Story. The story, in part, was about Cherokee Chief John Ross, a 1/8th Cherokee blood, white, blue eyed greedy tyrant. The more time goes on, the more he reminds me of Barak Obama.

He was put in power by Major Ridge and some other realistic Cherokees, who thought the tribe, which functioned under a constitutional government, would fare better in Washington DC if represented by Ross who would be identified more with the white leaders. And for a time, that seemed to work. Until Ross got the taste of power and wealth and refused to give it up. Ross was a master at race baiting and class warfare.

When it was apparent he would be opposed by Ridge's son John, Ross declared a national emergency over the impending Indian Removal Act, did away with the coming elections and had his political rivals assassinated, including Major Ridge, his son John, the eloquent Elias Boudinot along with some of my ancestors. For 40 years he ruled the tribe, sometimes in exile in Washington DC, but always comfortably with the tribes treasury. He bribed enough of the uneducated and class envious Indians to do his bidding and keep him protected.

Sound familiar??? It should.

My father used to tell us that the Cherokee tribe didn't need the US Government to destroy it , though they certainly did their part! They were willing and capable of doing that themselves. In the great production on PBS, "We Shall Remain, Episode 3 'The Trail of Tears', Cherokee actor Wes Study repeated the same conclusion as my father made 50 years ago.

When the Cherokee were finally forced to march in winter without shelter or provisions to a foreign home, thousands died. John Ross refused to give up his power and concede there was no way to fight the federal government over removal, insisting the Cherokee stay until they were pushed out at musket point, with no way to survive the impossible journey. If he had left months earlier when there were better provisions and weather, as my ancestors chose to do, thousands of lives would have been saved. He also insisted, since he operated the only store of supplies, that the trips supplies be purchased from him. Yet, the tribe still believed his lies and followed his lead. The wagon train of my ancestors, led by John Adair "Jack" Bell, of 700 people only lost 21 on the trail. This only further angered Ross, whose own wife died on their journey.

Today, the Democrat party and it's leader, Barak Obama, seem intent on destroying everything we 'natives' have become accustomed to in our way of life... free markets, marriage, family, the 2nd amendment and the right to self preservation. They refuse to enforce many of our laws, promote destruction of our many cultures, refuse to protect our borders and national sovereignty and give us no government representation.

We look to our GOP leaders, just as the Cherokee looked to Ross, and what do we find? Feckless crybabies like John Boehner and the squishy moderate Mitch McConnell, who prop up the democrats more often than not.

Then rides in the great 'Tea Party' Hispanic savior, Marco Rubio to 'save us'. Because he 'looks' more like the opposition. He 'speaks' the language of the NEW constituency! He's the GOP's latest token 'trojan horse'.

Who is really behind Marco Rubio, and what do they want? The Tea Party citizens thought it was them!!! He talked the talk, and fooled us all. No, he hasn't been taken over by Obama and the left, as far as we know. He is part of the enemy within the right. And for the past 30 years, it is always the same players. They are lobbyists who our legislators hire to write our legislation because most of our elected officials let them in exchange for campaign dollars. It is ALWAYS follow the money.

Even John Ross willingly sacrificed his own people to keep his power and to hold out for more federal dollars for Cherokee lands. The Cherokee Tribe was destroyed because they were incapable of realizing who their real enemies were. It appears we are no more enlightened than the 'savages'. We have no excuse for our ignorance, other than BLIND loyalty to sacred cows who should have been hamburger by now!

Meet Cesar Conda, chief of staff, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., close associate and fellow amnesty pusher of Grover Norquist, who last week called all of us who want our borders secured, "Bitter enders", He might as well have called us 'Savages'.

Here is detailed some of the undermining of immigration law these two have accomplished over 3 decades, including working closely with Stephen Moore of the Cato Institute, Conda circulated a statement against Prop. 187 of California in the nineties. The race baiting they pulled on Alan Simpson when he tried to enforce the borders in the 90's was nothing but disgusting.

Conda, an immigration lawyer, was Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief domestic policy adviser. After leaving there, Conda went to work for George Soros on the editorial advisory board of the Soros publication, The International Economy Magazine.

Even amnesty pushers on the left like Conda!

[snip] I think Cesar is the right man for the job,” said Frank Sharry, founder and executive director of the pro-immigration reform group America’s Voice. “Rubio is really lucky to have Cesar Conda as his chief of staff.” Conda...has been working on the issue since the early 1990s when he was part of a group of young, libertarian-minded, pro-immigration conservatives. His government experience runs deep: He worked for former Sen. Spencer Abraham, R-Mich., and was an aide to Vice President Dick Cheney. He also spent time in the private sector as a lobbyist and analyst for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and founded the Washington office of a consulting firm called Navigators Global.

Conda was also involved with The National Foundation for American Policy, a Newt Gingrich group. Don't be fooled, Newt is all about amnesty and has always been!

" Started in 2003, the National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP) is a non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to public policy research on trade, immigration, and other issues of national importance. Its Advisory Board members include ....Cesar Conda.... and other prominent individuals."

This statement sums up the Rubio/Conda relationship:

"The White House’s lawyer-friendly draft shows that it “has outsourced the formation of immigration policy to the American Immigration Lawyers Association,” said Camarota. Some of the eight senators also employ staffers who are trained immigration lawyers or who have lobbied for the immigration association before. In 2003, for example, Cesar Conda, Rubio’s chief of staff, lobbied the White House on behalf of the lawyers’ association....Given Sen. Rubio’s role in a smear campaign [using SPLC talking points] against pro-enforcement groups,” said Steve Camarota, the research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, “it does raise the question of how serious he is about enforcement.”"

Conda worked as an advocate for the immigration lawyers’ association.

"As a founding partner of a lobbying firm, Navigators Global, he attended a 2003 meeting in the White House to promote a policy favored by the lawyers’ group, which stands to gain enormously from any law that expands or complicates immigration law.

In the late 1990s, Conda also worked as the legislative director for one-term GOP Sen. Spencer Abraham. In 2000, Abraham lost his Michigan Senate seat after NumbersUSA highlighted Abraham’s role in defeating a bipartisan immigration reform bill that would have curbed legal and illegal immigration.

During that 1996 immigration debate, Abraham opposed an employee-identification plan in the bill that would have required and helped employers reject applicants who were not allowed to legally work in the United States."

Conda had a part in the expensive bank bail outs.

"At this lobbying outfit, Cesar Conda is one of the lobbyists on the Citigroup account. Previously, DC Navigators was one of AIG's go-to firms—until the insurance company halted its lobbying efforts last fall under congressional pressure. AIG, which has received $182 billion from the government, including $40 billion in TARP funds, spent more than $9 million on lobbying in 2008"

Conda was a lobbyist for private prisons who love open borders and government $$$ to incarcerate illegal aliens.

"They also now have a paid lobbyist working in the office of a Republican Senator at the forefront of the immigration debate, in a state with major immigration issues. Take for example the chief of staff to young Republican superstar Marco Rubio, Cesar Conda. Conda still maintains ties to a powerful lobbying firm in Florida that has lobbied for the GEO Group. In fact, he still maintains partial ownership, and was paid between $50,000-$100,000 by the firm after he became Rubio’s chief of staff.. So he’s still being paid by companies like the GEO Group while working as the number-one guy to a US Senator. So the GEO Group has revenues of nearly $2 billion per year, much of which comes from the federal government as payment for detaining immigrants. It has spent more than $5 million in lobbying and political contributions in the past 8 years"

Remember when we warned the Tea Party about getting involved with Dick Armey's Freedom works because he has always been pro amnesty??.....

– Cesar Conda is a senior fellow at Freedom Works and an editorial advisory board member of International Economy Magazine. He is a volunteer policy advisor to the Mitt Romney presidential campaign.

Conda actually states here that the Gang of 8 plan isn't AMNESTY!! You need no more than that to know you are being CONNED BIG TIME!

Think of it! illegal aliens vote democrat. Fact. They believe it is Obama working for them. All these GOP open border amnesty purveyors like Conda get no credit for the decades of work they've done on the behalf of foreign nationals. Instead, Obama gets all their glory. Ignorance never changes. And History repeats itself. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rose Cottage, Plantation of Chief John Ross, Circa 1860, near Tahlequah, Indian Territory (Yes, those are African Slaves, owned by Ross)

[snip]After the assassinations, Ross's opposition refused to recognize Ross as their leader. The still smoldering wounds and resulting alliances are outlined by an excerpt from a letter written by Stand Watie and John Adair Bell (my grgruncle) published in the Arkansas Gazette. It explains why after the murders of the Ridges and Boudinot they refused to address Ross as 'Chief'. Eight Treaty Party members apologized for signing the treaty in return for amnesty from the Chief. The assassins were also pardoned by Ross.

"If Mr. Ross expects us to purchase our lives by swearing to the infamous oath which he put in our mouths, he very much mistakes the blood which runs in our veins. Sooner let us fall by the hand of the midnight assassin, than have our names loaded with infamy, and handed down to posterity as traitors, who had saved their country from total destruction, by making the best treaty ever made for any Indians! – The historian will do justice to the memories of the fallen. We will never cause their blood to ride in judgment against us, by casting obloquy on their characters. Eight of our friends have abandoned us. Be the matter with them and their God. We are conscious that we have gained many where we have lost one. The threatened denunciation still hangs over us. Well, if the impending vengeance must fall, let it come upon us with clear consciences."


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To: AuntB

Excellent, AuntB, thank you for the ping!


51 posted on 04/15/2013 12:44:27 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jazusamo; SierraWasp; Perseverando; no-to-illegals; Jane Long; Pelham; Jeff Head; joanie-f; ...

This Conda Con man just gets worse and worse....check this out about the Sotomayer nomination. And this guy was a domestic advisor to Romney..we HAVE to admit that Romney was BS’ing us about any kind of enforcement. If he was president today, he’d be pushing the same amnesty, and Conda would be working in the White House!

The RNC is NEVER going to give us better candidates. THEY LIKE THE RINOS!!! Sad fact.

http://www.hispanicvista.com/HVC/Opinion/Guest_Columns/080509_Cesar_V_Conda.htm

Break With the Party, and Vote Yes
Cesar V. Conda
By Cesar V. Conda

Senate Republicans should not vote along party lines against Judge Sotomayor’s nomination. There is nothing in her record or sworn testimony that disqualifies her for the Supreme Court, and certainly nothing that would justify a party-line “no” vote from Senate Republicans.

We need to fix the G.O.P.’s Hispanic problem, or we could find ourselves on the losing end of future presidential elections.

Those who opposed her nomination used a few speeches and cases to paint her as an extreme judicial activist. While Judge Sotomayor is not a strict constructionist, her views are well within the judicial mainstream; in fact, some of her rulings are considered too conservative by some liberal lobbying groups.

Granted, many Republicans are legitimately concerned about judicial activism and upholding the rule of law. But let’s face it, elections have consequences, and Republicans did not win the White House. Did anyone expect President Obama to nominate another John Roberts or Samuel Alito or even an Anthony Kennedy? The Senate should confirm the president’s judicial nominees, unless there is something in their views or record that disqualifies them.

On the question of wooing Hispanics, tone matters in politics, and a Republican party-line vote against Judge Sotomayor could send a message that Hispanics aren’t welcome in our party. A 2007 Almanac of Latino Politics poll found that more Hispanics than the electorate as whole identified themselves as conservatives. But we lost their vote in the 2008 presidential election by a more than 2 to 1 margin.

We need to fix our party’s Hispanic problem, or we could find ourselves on the losing end of presidential elections for the foreseeable future. A party-line, or near party-line, vote against the first Latina Supreme Court nominee won’t help the G.O.P.’s image among Hispanic voters.

Cesar V. Conda was the domestic policy assistant to Vice President Dick Cheney from 2001 to 2003. He was also a policy adviser to Mitt Romney’s 2008 presidential campaign.


52 posted on 04/15/2013 6:12:25 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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People have asked why isn’t the birthright citizenship (anchor baby) problem addressed in ‘immigration reform’....

Here’s why...Marco’s chief of staff LIKES IT!
Birthright Citizenship and Abortion
By Cesar Conda
August 4, 2010 11:37 A.M.

As a pro-immigration conservative (yes, I know, we could fit in a phone booth), I am opposed to Sen. Lindsey Graham’s (R., S.C.) proposal to end birthright citizenship for babies who, through no fault of their own, are born in this country to illegal immigrants. Innocent children shouldn’t be held responsible for the sins of their parents.

In terms of why not amend the Constitution: The Fourteenth Amendment rejected the idea that someone could be a person but less than a person legally, as well as the idea that citizenship can be made dependent on race. It is of enormous symbolic importance. There is no data supporting the claim that significant numbers of women deliberately cross the border to give birth in the United States in order to take advantage of this provision.[AuntB: OMG, what a LIAR!]

Further, the Republican party would be committing political suicide if it were to endorse ending birthright citizenship, as it would cost the party Latino votes, which are crucial in Florida and in several Western states. It could also hurt the GOP’s prospects in the upcoming mid-term election by diverting attention from the Democrats’ record of over-spending, over-taxing, and exploding the national debt. Given inexorable demographic trends, the GOP could be rendered politically irrelevant, certainly at the presidential level, for generations.

But wearing my other hat as the co-chair of the Susan B. Anthony List’s executive committee (though speaking strictly for myself), my biggest fear is that Graham’s proposal, if enacted by constitutional amendment or by statute, will lead to more abortions: Undocumented immigrants with unplanned pregnancies might choose to have abortions instead of risking apprehension by the police or government immigration agents (not to mention possible deportation down the line) at the hospital maternity ward. Some women terminate their pregnancies for less serious and sometimes superficial reasons. It also might encourage women to have unsafe births outside of a hospital setting.
[AuntB: There he goes..tossing you that conservative bone of being anti abortion!! Don’t fall for it!]

Senator Graham’s plan to end birthright citizenship is not only substantively and politically flawed, but it undermines a bedrock principle of modern conservatism — preserving the sanctity of life. Republicans and conservatives ought to think long and hard before embracing such a controversial proposal.

– Cesar Conda, formerly assistant for domestic policy to Vice President Dick Cheney, is co-chair of the Susan B. Anthony List’s executive committee.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/242470/birthright-citizenship-and-abortion-cesar-conda


53 posted on 04/15/2013 6:26:39 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Sounds like he is more HISPANIC than AMERICAN!!!! And a WHORE for SALE!!


54 posted on 04/16/2013 2:36:13 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: AuntB
[Art.] Then rides in the great 'Tea Party' Hispanic savior, Marco Rubio to 'save us'. Because he 'looks' more like the opposition. He 'speaks' the language of the NEW constituency! He's the GOP's latest token 'trojan horse'.

The correct term for a false leader like this who is recruited by the People's enemies is a "Judas horse". In 2011, the people behind Rubio recruited several "Judas horse" candidates into the GOP primary, to dissipate the already shallow pool of political money available to candidates who would challenge Establishment creatures.

Who is really behind Marco Rubio, and what do they want? The Tea Party citizens thought it was them!!! He talked the talk, and fooled us all.

'Fraid so. Now we've another barnacle to hive off and primary out of public life.

55 posted on 04/16/2013 3:04:54 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: AuntB
Further, the Republican party would be committing political suicide if it were to endorse ending birthright citizenship, as it would cost the party Latino votes....

This is such horse manure! James Carville must be killing himself laughing, every time he sees some self-serving b.s. like this coming out of RiNO central.

All the RiNO's care about is breaking wages, breaking the ability of low-end employees to move up. They want to overload the labor markets at every point on the skills spectrum, in order to burden people's ability to negotiate comp.

That they're giving the White House to the Democrats for the next 100 years, or 200, or even giving away the country to total strangers, foreigners, is a matter of zero concern to them, apparently.

They seem to be waging war on patriotism as zealously as the Democrats, just for slightly different reasons. The People are the problem .... so, stuff the ballot cans with tons of illegal votes, and carry on as usual in Washington!

56 posted on 04/16/2013 3:11:10 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

“Further, the Republican party would be committing political suicide if it were to endorse ending birthright citizenship, as it would cost the party Latino votes....

This is such horse manure! James Carville must be killing himself laughing, every time he sees some self-serving b.s. like this coming out of RiNO central.

All the RiNO’s care about is breaking wages, breaking the ability of low-end employees to move up. They want to overload the labor markets at every point on the skills spectrum, in order to burden people’s ability to negotiate comp.

That they’re giving the White House to the Democrats for the next 100 years, or 200, or even giving away the country to total strangers, foreigners, is a matter of zero concern to them, apparently.

They seem to be waging war on patriotism as zealously as the Democrats, just for slightly different reasons. The People are the problem .... so, stuff the ballot cans with tons of illegal votes, and carry on as usual in Washington!”

________________

You’re right.

At some point, we have to face the horrid fact that we have been used and expose these corrupt LOBBYISTS. They own the politicians. I swear, when Norquist gets all of them to sign his ‘pledge’ he gets dirty pics of all of them to use later to get them to do his bidding.
IIRC, Allen West refused to sign Norquists little oath and he’s OUT.


57 posted on 04/16/2013 3:23:16 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: lentulusgracchus
"Then rides in the great 'Tea Party' Hispanic savior, Marco Rubio to 'save us'....The correct term for a false leader like this who is recruited by the People's enemies is a "Judas horse"

When I wrote that, I'd seen a photo of Rubio on Time Mag. that said,"The Republican Savior", then decided not to post the photo. Here it is.

Reminds me of McCain...the left media always liked him too!

http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20130218,00.html

How 'bout it folks, does Rubio speak for YOU???

58 posted on 04/16/2013 3:49:10 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: All

Continued from post 42
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Jack Bell had a son he named Lucien Burr Bell. He was raised on Jack’s plantation Community in Rusk County, Texas, that he named Mt. Tabor. Lucien became known in Indian Territory as Cousin Hooley Bell.

From the book, Jesus Wept, An American Story
Chapter 15 - The Inevitable - Fall 1866, Washington D.C.

The Southern Cherokee delegates selected to testify before Congress were crowded into a small room in the the United States Capitol, waiting their turn to attempt some salvage of what was left of their nation after the Civil War. No group sacrificed more blood or wealth.....

The words of John Adair Bell, written to the United States Secretary of War in 1839, pleading for relief from John Ross’s power and deceit were as relevant these decades later. On this day, it was their children pleading the same case. Their petition for protection from the Pins, and for representation in their government and determination of their own destiny had not changed.

“Whereas, on the 22nd day of June last, our three distinguished friends, Major Ridge, John Ridge, and Elias Boudinot, were cruelly and inhumanly assassinated, and , as we are informed and really believe, by an order of the partisans of John Ross, in consequence of the deceased having signed the treaty of December 29, 1835.
And whereas, since that time the state of anarchy and confusion in the country has been intolerable; and the decree passed by the partisans of John Ross, as well as many of their friends are in imminent danger of secret and cowardly assassination.
And whereas, a civil war is seriously deprecated, inasmuch as it would tend to the total destruction of our nation:
Be it therefore, Resolved, That we regard the recent conduct of the partisans of Ross, in the murder of the deceased, in the decree passed relative to the signers of the treaty and their friends deserve the reprobation of all mankind, and meriting the severest punishment.
That we believe it to be right that we should appeal to the Government of the United States for the punishment of the murderers of the deceased Ridges and Boudinot, and for justice and protection for ourselves and families. For that purpose we will send a delegation of two, viz: John A. Bell and Stand Watie to Washington City, in order to lay our grievances before the Secretary of war.
The treaty party deny that they have committed any acts deserving of punishment.....But they acknowledge not the power or mobocracy of John Ross or his constituted authorities. They will never submit to his authority or dictation.”

Hooley Bell, Dartmouth educated son of John Adair Bell, was being sworn in at the hearing to be questioned by the Congressional panel.

“Please state your name!” ordered the chairman of the solemn assembly.

“Captain Lucien Burr Bell, Sir,” answered Bell loudly, saluting the august committee. “People who know me call me Hooley. That’s Cherokee for Bell.”

“What is your trade, calling, or occupation?” the chairman demanded.

Bell replied, “Various things. I practice law a little......farm some......run for office occasionally. Now and then, take a hand at poker and never miss a horse race, if I get to it.”
He paused a moment, cleared his throat as his eyes surveyed the room.
“The rest of the time I spend in trying to fool God like you white folks do.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And now this ‘savage’ is taking a break.
Be well, Freeperville.


59 posted on 04/17/2013 3:14:46 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
Reminds me of McCain...the left media always liked him too!

Reliable as always: The cover of TIME, the mark of Cain!

60 posted on 04/17/2013 4:51:38 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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Cross Reference:

Paul Ryan, another disciple of Cesar Conda!

About Paul Ryan..... I KNOW it seems simplistic, but I’m telling you all that the same handful of people OWN all these politicians...Ryan, Rubio, Romney, all like mined, amnesty lovers GROOMED by LOBBYISTS...CESAR CONDA & GROVER Norquist, who serve the interests of the LEFT.

And about Ryan/Conda

[snip]Creature of Washington

Professionally, Ryan is a creature of Washington insider politics.

He got his first taste of congressional politics as a college intern for U.S. Sen. Bob Kasten of Wisconsin.

“He was as earnest, polite and enthusiastic,” said his friend and mentor, Cesar Conda, who eventually provided a crucial link between Romney and Ryan. Conda brought Ryan back as an intern the next year. “He would always pop his head in the door and ask questions about what Senator Kasten was doing,” Conda recalled. “I just gave him two books to read and said, ‘This will get you started.’” The books were “The Way the World Works,” by Jude Wanniski, and “Wealth and Poverty” by George Gilder, which became the bible for Reagan-era economic policy.

Conda offered Ryan his first paid, full-time job working for Kasten after his graduation in 1992 from Miami University of Ohio, where Ryan double-majored in economics and political science.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/166062376.html?refer=y

PS...Conda was a policy advisor to Romney, too! We were set up LONG ago. Somehow, we have to give the RNC a message! Please consider changing your voter registration to non affiliated.

61 posted on 04/17/2013 6:28:54 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB; calcowgirl; farmfriend; Anybody; Everybody; All
Don't you give up on FR AuntB!!! You hang in there with your strong rational opinions based on the clear evidence you have provided. The divisions and fractures that occasionally appear on sites like FR, and even in churches these days marks the devilish deceptions that are worked on righteous conservatives constantly and it's getting sadder and more intense as time goes by.

Some of it can be described as "politics makes strange bedfellows," to be sure, but some of it is simply pernicious and pathetic and should be stopped. At least among FRiends it seems to me. As the deterioration advances in our nation, our political parties, our religious institutions, our educations systems with "Slouching To Gomorrah" attacks against traditional, normal civil standards of decency running amok... We need to take one another aside and work out these differences, some of which will be unreconcilable and others simple unfortunate misunderstandings.

If great sites like FR become filled with hate and discontent and flame wars, the left and the Rinos and the faux conservatives will sieze all the momentum by their "winning through intimidation" tactics. We don't have to concede and compromise principles, but sometimes we will need lower the intensity until rational conversations can help resolve some of the differences.

I value most of the FRiendships I've made here over the years and have been saddened by nearly every participant that either posts a "swan song" (I can't remember the FReeper term for it) or just quietly takes a long to permanent hiatus.

We all need each other's participation in spite of the fact that sometimes someone inadvertantly says something the just rips all the scabs and scar tissue wide open and causes us to vent our spleen all over them in retaliation. It's hard to measure the tone of comments or expression of positions on a site like this, or any other for that matter.

Considerate Conservatives that not only consider others fiercly held beliefs, but their reasons and ramifications of those positions as well can artfully and carefully avoid throwing fat into the fire and look for anything that may pursuade some sort of agreement on various parts or all of the competing position. Otherwise it's just going to feed failure instead of FRiendly pursuasion.

God bless you AuntB, and all the others who feel increasingly pist off because of competing points of view.

62 posted on 04/17/2013 8:36:11 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Mark Twain said: "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled!!!)
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To: AuntB; All

Reference post:

Grover is a good friend of all things radical Muslim:
CAIR Coalition | Immigration in the News
www.caircoalition.org/…-it/immigration-in-the-news/

Norquist to headline immigration forum in Indianapolis at CAIR Coalition October 4, 2012. ... CAIR Coalition News ...
http://www.caircoalition.org/why-we-do-it/immigration-in-the-news/


63 posted on 04/19/2013 2:22:48 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Reference:

Grover Norquist! The Most Dangerous Man In America
[snip]
According to a 2011 memoir by former lobbyist Jack Abramoff, Norquist was one of Abramoff’s first major Republican party contacts. Norquist and Americans for Tax Reform were also mentioned in Senate testimony relating to the Jack Abramoff Indian lobbying scandal which resulted in a 2006 guilty plea by Abramoff to three criminal felony counts of defrauding of American Indian tribes and corrupting public officials. Records released by the Senate Indian Affairs Committee allege that ATR served as a “conduit” for funds that flowed from Abramoff’s clients to surreptitiously finance grass-roots lobbying campaigns. Norquist has denied that he did anything wrong, and has not been charged with any crime.

His group affilations (Past and Current) include:

Americans For Tax Reform
Council on Foreign Relations
The Harvard Crimson
The Harvard Chronicle
The Hasty Pudding Theatrical Society
The National Taxpayers Union
National College Republicans
The National Rifle Association
The American Conservative Union
The Hispanic Leadership Fund
The Indian-American Republican Caucus
ParentalRights.org
GOProud

Oh and he also sits on the six person panel that decides who Time Magazines Person of the Year is. Additionally he was a cofounder of the now notorious and defunct lobbying firm Janus-Merritt Strategies

Grover is quite the busy little boy it seems. Forget Rove... Forget George Bush Sr... Forget Cheney. THIS is the ultra conservative monster who lurks under Americas bed. Grover Norquist is that bogeyman.[snip]
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread899839/pg1


64 posted on 04/19/2013 2:49:03 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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