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Posted on 04/15/2013 10:49:04 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
George W Bush: was he really that bad?
More than four years after George W Bush left the White House, his record is being reassessed and throws up similarities with Barack Obama, writes Alex Spillius
By Alex Spillius
1:10PM BST 15 Apr 2013
It is George W Bushs particular achievement to be disliked by both sides in American politics.
Democrats of course excoriate the damage done to the budget by waging two wars while cutting taxes, his conduct after Hurricane Katrina and his shoot from the hip style, not to mention that fact that he presided over the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression.
His own Republican party utterly rejected him during the 2012 campaign. Tea Party types saw him as a big-spender guilty of extending federal government, while few who once stood with him were prepared to defend his military achievements.
But presidents tend to look better, or at least different, from a distance, and with the opening of his presidential centre in Texas, there are suggestions that Bush the younger may be more fondly remembered than was thought possible when he left the White House in January 2009 as the most unpopular president in living memory.
He was certainly more socially liberal than his critics give him credit for. No Child Left Behind, whatever its faults and funding, was a centralised attempt to raise educational standards across the board.
A new prescription drug benefit scheme may have been expensive (though Bush himself argues its cost has been exaggerated) but its aim was to make medicines more affordable for the elderly.
Bush failed in his most ambitious social reform of immigration law, but he was defeated primarily by the Right of his party, not the Democrats.
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“Totally POd with Roberts.....TOTALLY.....disgusted. But I had no problem with most of his rulings when GWB was in office.”
If GW had his way, Harriet Myers would be on the Supreme Court today, not Alito. Likely the Obamacare decision would have been 6-3 if Myers was on the Court.
People forget that when we first went into Iraq a large segment of the American people, including congressional Rats, were for it. It only took a few months for those same Democrats that voted to go into Iraq to turn around and reject what they voted for-in fact many Democrats in congress secretly (and some not so secretly) hoped we would lose in Iraq so Bush would get a bloody nose.
Consider that the man spent eight years being literally hated by the media who gleefully played pocket-pool with their ethics and lied constantly about Bush and our troops exactly like their traitorous butt-buddys in the Democrat party.
That pretty much sums it up. I don’t see anything changing for the time-being.
I didn’t agree with EVERYTHING GWB did. I don’t expect 100% perfection from politicians. But......compared to what we’re saddled with now.....GWB is a SAINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Foisting McCain on us was an even bigger mistake than Romney, at least Romney was a successful business man.
Because people (including those on the right) now feel secure today most have forgotten the peril we were in.
In addition, Bush brought prosperity to a country which was in real danger of losing it. He had the deficit down to $200B at one point until Pelosi and her liars began to attack him on all fronts.
We were blessed to have Dubya at a time of peril. Mightily blessed.
Of course not.
The problem is that disgruntled conservatives needed a whipping boy. Any politico that is not Christlike conservatively pure is subject to catching hell .
I would GLADLY take Bill Clionton over Obam or for that matter W.
At least clinton got us to a balanced budget and actual welfare reform (to a degree) - Although it was only thanks to Newt.
The Media learned from that- if they had pushed and pushed harder those evil republicans would not have had to make poor clinton balance that budget.
Prersiddent Bush WAS that bad. He did not even try to control the run-away spending of the congress. Not one veto. Then we went bust!!
Cannot blame Obama for that. Face it. Bush did it.
Obama made it much worse by his ignorance of government and ignorance of economics. He still believes taxes can improve the economy. Fifth graders know better. Real Americans know better.
But we don’t need another Bush, either. Get it?
Yes, it was because of the House so why on earth would you take Clinton over W.?
The only reason Clinton juiced the economy was because he was in trouble and was impeached. Clinton was largely responsible for the sexually messed up generation we have now as well as largely responsible for lax security which led to 9/11. He and his wife are both scum and do not come near to Bush in quality.
Ignorance, don't think so. Obama is set to destroy the free market system. Bush didn't cause it all, we have a congress that did Not do nothing to control spending. Everyone was caught up in political correctness governance..same thing now so no fighting back..until they fight, same occurs.
Perot I begat Clinton.
GWB was, in the opinion of this liberty-loving Republican, a disaster.The prescription drug benefit established the principle that someone is entitled to the income of another merely because they’ve reached a certain age. No Child Left Behind increased the federal role in the education of our kids, which should be infuriating for anyone who believes in local (and parent!) control of education. He seized on the War on Terror as the means to amp up surveillance and wiretapping of US citizens and instigated a slow degradation of our freedom via the Patriot Act and other laws and reg’s. Not a “W” fan. Voted for him in 2000 when he ran as a freedom-loving Republican. Like me. Bait and Switch. Ouch.
If Bush hadn’t reneged on “Read my lips”, there would have been no Perot.
Bush made one really bad mistake.
He conducted the WoT in an exemplary manner to our foreign enemy in other countries. This was good.
However, he could not discern between foreign enemy in other countries, and peaceful American citizens here. He equated the two with his actions.
In retrospect, the Patriot Act I and II could have been a fraction of the size they were. In consolidating federal agencies and creating the TSA, he could have asked congress to waiver the constitutional arguments against profiling.
Yeah, it would have been annoying to be a Muslim traveling around the US, or to or from the US by air. Tough. But everyone else should not be annoyed to create the nonsense illusion that security needs to be “fair”. It doesn’t have to be, and shouldn’t be.
When we were at war in WWII, we did not trust people of German, Japanese, or Italian origins. During the Cold War, we were distrustful of Russians. All legitimate concerns.
The same rule should apply to Muslims. It is not racist, because Islam is not a race. However, for all its sects, there is enough agreement in Islam that threatens the US, *as a religion*, that the US has a right to single out Muslims for scrutiny, *for their religion*.
This is what Bush should have done.
This being said, Bush’s big error turned American all ahead full in the direction of a police state. It will take decades to fully reverse the damage done by this, if it can be done short of the near collapse of the nation forcing it to happen.
Likewise, Bush had an amazing opportunity to fix America’s financial problem, and should have taken that opportunity, but he did not. And this damages us immensely as a nation.
Ideally, our next Republican president is going to have his work cut out for him. Ideally, he would put the US on a path to eliminate half the federal government; significantly reduce the power of the office of the POTUS; and restore so much of what has been forfeited in the past, such as massive federal land takings from the states; the corrosive effects of years of economic pumping; and the insane prohibitions against energy and economic development.
There are many things that Bush did that I did not agree with, but every day I thank God that we had President Bush instead of President Algore or President John F’ing Kerry.
Just the thought of President Algore in control during the aftermath of 9/11 makes my blood run cold.
So who did you vote for in 2004?
But there was one silver lining to those disastrous 8 years that paved the way for Barry Soetoro*. When the GOP held all three branches of the federal government and did nothing but expand the scope and cost of said federal government they proved once and for all that the GOP is just the right wing of the same Globalist/Marxist bird of prey that the Democrats are the left wing of.
*Bush was still the President, the lead law enforcement official in the country, when that illegal alien Commie thug and petty criminal from Chicago fraudulently ran for office and again Bush deliberately did nothing. Can you imagine what the FBI,CIA,NSA,IRS could have dug up on that on-the-down-low witless, talentless nobody. He would be in a jail cell were he belongs, not in the Oval Office destroying the Republic.
I wouldn’t say he was our WORST president (any field that includes Jimmy Carter takes care of that distinction), but he was certainly in the bottom five. Expensive prescription drug “benefits”, Harriet Myers, an unjustified and unjustifiable war in Iraq, “nation building” in Afganistan which has been a graveyard for every country that has gone in there, no child left behind, Chief Justice Roberts, failure to protect border agents, what more can I say? Whoever thinks he (or his father) was in the same class as Reagan has been drinking some Kool-Aid which I will never have in my refrigerator.
~ Larry Elder, "The Ten Things You Can't Say In America"
How can you say this? Bush was the ultimate Bad guy! He started two wars on his own word —there was no Weapons of Mass Destruction, he used a Credit Card to pay for them, placing the USA in massive debt! Children starved under Bush! And he hated black folks and blew up the dyke in New Orleans so as to destroy the escape buses and the 9th Ward! He also strapped his dog to the roof of his car and drove it around just to show what he could do. He, gave guns to Drug Lords and gave every penny to his rich friends—and would be doing so today if he was in power. He wanted us to fight a 100 year war in Iraq—Why if Bush was in office (or one of his minions) there would be Car bombs blowing up in Irag now! We would not be in a prospering, recovering, Progressive state—on its way toward the perfect Worker’s Utopia! Give Obama another 8 years and we will get there Comrade!
I never understood the hatered of him. I’d take him a hundred times over for what we’ve got now.
There's a mental image I can live without!
don’t get me wrong- I thought Clinton was a low-life scumbag and still do.
I am speaking ONLY of those wonderful days of a balanced budget, $12Trillion dollars ago...
I agree with you whole-heartedly July4.
George Bush had the deficit down to $200B but you won't hear a word about that from either left or right.
They have shown over and over that they could care less about a socialist muslim infiltrator into the White House with a fraudulent elegibility.
One minor correction: It was Romney who strapped his dog to the roof of his car.
So who did you vote for in 2004?
Whomever the Libertarian candidate was. Was it Russel Means? Haven’t voted for a DemmyKrat since 1980 when as a young lad I voted for my Boll Weevil Congressman Kent Hance who two years later switched to the GOP.
Did the same thing in Bush 1’s re-election run in 1992. Those Bushes have been something else. Something other than freedom-loving Republicans for sure.
the President needs to revere and respect the Constitution as much they do the country.
On that count Bush failed.
Bush and his dad turned away for the limited government path that Reagan moved the Republic towards.
Their failure to view government as a necessary evildirectly lead to the increase in the scope and power over government over our lives.
Balanced budget was actually due more to the House, and the Speaker at the time, then either Bush 41 or Clinton......
See post 20 in this thread....speaking your language...
That anyone on this thread is giving Clinton credit for anything is ridiculous.
Because the GOP was A: in control of the establishment at the time and B: The Senate did not have functional control. The DeMint wing of the Party did not have control sadly. Having said that, it was not nearly as bad as 2009-2011 when the Dems had all three branches. Generalization can make one seem smart....but only "seem."
Well as you know, people tend to blame/credit Presidents for everything that happens during their term - the “happened on so and so’s watch” is the most mis-used, mis-understod and mis-applied term in all of American politics I think. Sometimes it applies, sometimes it does not, but people use it universally the same.
“Whomever the Libertarian candidate was. Was it Russel Means?”
No, it wasn’t Russell Means. What a kook! LOL!
Since the late 1970s, Means often supported libertarian political causes, in contrast with several of the other leaders of AIM. In 1983 he agreed to become running mate to Larry Flynt in his unsuccessful run for U.S. President. In 1987, Means ran for nomination of President of the United States under the Libertarian Party, and attracted considerable support within the party, finishing 2nd (31.41%) at the 1987 Libertarian National Convention. He lost the nomination to Congressman Ron Paul.
In 2001, Means began an independent candidacy for Governor of New Mexico. His campaign failed to satisfy procedural requirements and he was not selected for the ballot. In the 2004 and 2008 Presidential Elections, Means supported independent Ralph Nader.
Funny how they never mention that the economy was doing great until Demoncrats took power in Congress.
So Bush named Obama to office? Or was it the idiotic voters (or those that refused to vote because they didn't get the nominee they wanted) that put Obama in office?
Obviously, the latter.
Congress should always get the lions share of credit and blame.
Actually, I disagree about his possible failures in foreign policy.
To start with, Saddam was just going nuts. Iraq was descending into chaos, with Iraqi oil money flowing to corrupt politicians everywhere to violate the embargo. Even Saddam himself thought that he was still developing WMDs, which Iraq was still capable to do, but nobody else in Iraq wanted to do.
And Iran was poised to exploit the situation terribly, to get a monopoly over much of the world’s oil, possibly to invade and conquer Iraq, and then Saudi Arabia.
Worse and worse, the Khan nuclear proliferation ring in Pakistan was providing technology for decentralized development of “Muslim bombs”, a deal involving both Libya and Egypt, and probably Saudi. Pakistan wanted to attack India with them, and India was more than willing to respond.
And, of course, all the gang wanted to annihilate Israel, possibly with nukes, despite Israel having over 200 of them, which would cause a medium sized nuclear war that would most certainly affect the US, because of the isotopic jet stream dump over middle America (we discovered during atmospheric testing, that dropped copious amounts of strontium-90 contamination over the Midwest region.)
The big failure was that W. Bush failed to conduct nation building in Afghanistan, like he did in Iraq. Had he done so, we could have exited them long ago, and they would be far more stable. This is because we would have cut off the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, keeping the Pakis bottled up to savage each other.
Bush worked very hard to support Perv in Pak, because he wanted to unite his fractured country under a central government. An essential thing to stop them from being terrorist training central. However, at the start his power was just a tad greater than all the other factions, so it was a very long row to hoe.
All told, his plate was full with foreign policy, so he needed somebody with common sense and conservative values to run his domestic policy. And he didn’t.
I think Bush gave up when the Republicans in Congress didn’t back him on Social Security reform, he probably figured, “What’s the point?”
I voted Constitution Party, myself.