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Top Dem sees 'train wreck' for Obama health law Co-author of Obama health care law sees 'huge
Yahoo ^ | 4/17/13 | Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Associated Press | Associated Press

Posted on 04/17/2013 1:57:13 PM PDT by Nachum

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A senior Democratic senator who helped write President Barack Obama's health care law stunned administration officials Wednesday, saying openly he thinks it's headed for a "train wreck" because of bumbling implementation.

"I just see a huge train wreck coming down," Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., told Obama's health care chief during a routine budget hearing that suddenly turned tense.

Baucus is the first top Democrat to publicly voice fears about the rollout of the new health care law, designed to bring coverage to some 30 million uninsured Americans through a mix of government programs and tax credits for private insurance that start next year. Polls show the public remains confused by the complexity of the law, and even many uninsured people are skeptical that they will be helped.

A six-term Democrat, Baucus expects to face a tough re-election in 2014. He's still trying to recover from approval ratings that nosedived amid displeasure with the health care law in his home state.

Normally low-key and supportive, Baucus challenged Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius at Wednesday's hearing.

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Full title: Top Dem sees 'train wreck' for Obama health law Co-author of Obama health care law sees 'huge train wreck' in implementation
1 posted on 04/17/2013 1:57:13 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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2 posted on 04/17/2013 1:57:36 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Guess who’s not getting invited to the next meeting.


3 posted on 04/17/2013 1:59:27 PM PDT by 11th_VA (DRONES DON'T KILL, CINCs KILL ...)
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To: Nachum

Sorry pal. No back pedalling at yhis point is going to distance you from this mess. Own it!!


4 posted on 04/17/2013 2:01:01 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: Nachum

We are witnessing the development of a talking point for Dems in conservative states for the next election. “The law is good but the implementation is “bumbling” and “a train wreck.” It allows them to explain why they voted for this government-expanding, budget-busting monstrosity but should not be held to account for its horrible effects. “You see, its a good idea but it just hasn’t been implemented well.” Republicans can’t take this bait. The whole idea is a “train wreck.” Even if it was implemented efficiently. In fact, if it was implemented efficiently, we would be in a lot worse shape now.


5 posted on 04/17/2013 2:02:26 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Nachum
0bamacare a train wreck???

So why were members of the Tea Party and other conservatives accused of racism when they saw the very same thing back in 2009?

6 posted on 04/17/2013 2:02:45 PM PDT by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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To: Nachum

Well golly gee, Senator, maybe you shouldn’t have f’n voted for it!! Now you’re up for reelection and your all worried.


7 posted on 04/17/2013 2:02:51 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Nachum

It’s not “the implementation” ~ rather it’s the bill itself.

Inferior minds created this mess ~ and the only solution is to rescind it and lock up the writers pending the next turn of the century.

Next, how minor disputes over Exchange billing practices will destroy the federal court system in 6 weeks.


8 posted on 04/17/2013 2:03:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cotton1706

Just remember, though, it’s a liberal idea, so it couldn’t be inherently flawed...

it’s just not being implemented right or by the right people.


9 posted on 04/17/2013 2:06:04 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Nachum

bump


10 posted on 04/17/2013 2:06:16 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: cotton1706

Bingo!!


11 posted on 04/17/2013 2:06:27 PM PDT by ken5050 (My tagline has mysteriously vanished...)
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To: Nachum

Top Dem sees ‘train wreck’ for Obama health law Co-author of Obama health care law sees ‘huge

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Hell, even Stevie Wonder could see this “train wreck”. So. When is Baucus going to introduce a bill to OVERTURN this disastrous “train wreck”?


12 posted on 04/17/2013 2:08:21 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Nachum
because of bumbling implementation
13 posted on 04/17/2013 2:09:25 PM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Nachum

Isn’t this the same excuse with communism?
It’s a great thing. It hasn’t worked because it wasn’t implemented well.


14 posted on 04/17/2013 2:09:41 PM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: Responsibility2nd

That’s a vote getter statement fo sho!
Dat boy may be worried about his job!
So who do you cross the Voter of the DNC!
Love to seem em start squirmin!


15 posted on 04/17/2013 2:10:35 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Conserev1

The voter or the DNC ! edit!


16 posted on 04/17/2013 2:11:26 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Nachum

17 posted on 04/17/2013 2:12:25 PM PDT by freedomlover
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To: Nachum

The only thing the government is good at is screwing everything up.


18 posted on 04/17/2013 2:14:11 PM PDT by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: Nachum

The talking points will be that if all the states and all the GOP had just rolled over and embraced the idea, it would be going swell. But so many states refused to create “exchanges”, so many employers found “loopholes” and so many doctors threatened “retirement” that it was all a problem in “implementation”, you see.


19 posted on 04/17/2013 2:16:22 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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20 posted on 04/17/2013 2:19:03 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Nachum
Oh,I see.All that's required is a little tweaking and everything will be just ducky,eh Mr Baucus? As Bugs Bunny would say “what a maroon!”
21 posted on 04/17/2013 2:21:28 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Nachum

I don’t know about any “Obamacare” ... all I know about is “Democrat-care” (aka “Democare”).


22 posted on 04/17/2013 2:40:40 PM PDT by The Duke (We don't rent pigs, but apparently we *do* ELECT them.)
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To: freedomlover
 photo train-wreck-big2.jpg
23 posted on 04/17/2013 2:45:05 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Nachum

Six terms? You should think about retirement, Max.


24 posted on 04/17/2013 2:49:08 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Nachum

Where have you been, Max? We’ve been trying to tell you this for two years! just how dense are you?

I hope the people of Montana send you packing.


25 posted on 04/17/2013 2:50:13 PM PDT by jch10 (Hey GOP! Only Conservatives get my vote.)
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To: Roccus

I never noticed the French signage in that picture. Then I found

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montparnasse_derailment

Something tells me there were a lot of sacre bleus flying around that day!


26 posted on 04/17/2013 3:01:11 PM PDT by freedomlover
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To: freedomlover

...and merdes


27 posted on 04/17/2013 3:04:31 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Nachum

Last week, the South Carolina house passed legislation out of the committee that would nullify obamacare.

Deal with that, you DC fascists.

Another one coming down the pipe is the arrest and imprisonment of federal thugs who try to enforce the confiscation of weapons.

The federal fascists are heading into a buzzsaw with their underwear barn door wide open.


28 posted on 04/17/2013 3:09:21 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: Nachum

Train wreck or not, Baucus knows MT will endorse any and all liberalism henceforth.


29 posted on 04/17/2013 3:11:30 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Nachum

The only way a disaster can be “implemented” is disastrously


30 posted on 04/17/2013 3:23:24 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: Nachum

it’s headed for a “train wreck” because of bumbling implementation.
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No, it was bumbling and unworkable legislation from their own hands. This will be a complete debacle and the mother of all train wrecks. There are 2,000+ pages of highly complex requirements and interfaces that the underlying systems and hapless applicants will have to deal with. The mess is just beginning.


31 posted on 04/17/2013 3:26:17 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Nachum

“.....Baucus expects to face a tough re-election in 2014.” These guys have no dignity whatsoever. 36 years of perks, power and stealing from the taxpayers just isn’t quite long enough.


32 posted on 04/17/2013 3:27:02 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: jch10

I’ve never understood how states like MT could vote solid GOP in presidential elections then send Democrat lawmakers to Congress. I’m convinced the average voter doesn’t understand party majorities set the agenda in the House and Senate. They just think their guy is “ok”. It doesn’t matter how “ok” a local Democrat is, that guy or gal gives the evil communists who control the party the majority they need.


33 posted on 04/17/2013 3:28:06 PM PDT by MachIV
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To: Sender

You forgot “All the waivers obama granted”.


34 posted on 04/17/2013 3:28:48 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Nachum

To bad Max didn’t realize that when he voted for the bill. Oh wait he had to vote for it to find out what was in it.


35 posted on 04/17/2013 3:43:33 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MachIV

Montana is neither a Red or Blue state. There are a million people in the whole state. One of the Senators is head of the Senate Finance committee and is in a position to send billions to Montana to pay for all of the programs mandated by the Federal government...

Are good folks of Montana going to replace him with someone at the bottom of the seniority ladder..nor a chance.


36 posted on 04/17/2013 3:46:49 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Nachum
he thinks it's headed for a "train wreck" because of bumbling implementation.

It's a shame there is no government organization that is set up with the responsibility of overseeing programs administered by the Executive Branch.

Just a darned shame.

37 posted on 04/17/2013 3:59:43 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Nachum; Kenny Bunk

“...he thinks it’s headed for a “train wreck” because of bumbling implementation.”

The O’care bill is crap because that is that way that Baucus wrote it! At least he didn’t blame GOP “obstruction.”

I believe that at the secret White House meeting this week the inevitable 100% increase in premiums for the peeps was revealed.


38 posted on 04/17/2013 5:39:16 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp
Do not persist in thinking that Obama is a person.

He was chosen as the central idol; the focus of a sort of santeria voodoo cult. He is Evita Peron. Hugo Chavez. None of his followers is willing to connect the dots that trail from the top ... down from a man who impresses me as not actually running anything. He is just trotted out to read statements from the teleprompter array that surrounds him at every public appearance. It is a cult.

Now, in his last two years, even those appearances appear contrived, wooden. There is not a scintilla of human emotion in his inane remarks about the Boston Massacre.

There is an even greater downside to this cult of personality into which you, I, and many another FReeper is in danger of falling. That is, we are focused too much on him. That, I am convinced is by design. While we bitch and moan about him, Team Obama, that is 'The Brains of the Outfit,' keep consolidating power. They WANT chaos and disarray, and they have gotten it.

After this catastrophic event I am convinced more than ever ... and I don't particularly care if we electy Daffy Duck to do it ... we must sweep Congress in '14. Let's concentrate on finding Republican, Tea Party, and Conservative candidates and hammer the SOBs into shape until they listen. And just BTW, why exactly cannot Boehner be dumped now?

39 posted on 04/17/2013 6:10:28 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: Kenny Bunk

“And just BTW, why exactly cannot Boehner be dumped now?”

I might be a minority on FR, but I believe that Boehner and McConnell outfoxed Barry on the New Year’s Day Deal.

Yup, they gave up $600 billion in tax increases on “the rich” but they suckered Barry into agreeing to put off the sequester cuts for ONLY TWO MONTHS. Barry thought he could pull of his community organizing campaign to scare the public with tails of horror and get the sequester cuts reversed, but HE FAILED! IMO Barry’s second administration was OVER on March 1.

Then Boehner and McConnell refused any “out of regular order” budget deals and forced the Senate Dems and also Barry to actually publish a Budgets with real cuts that PO their own constituents for a change.

Coming up Boehner and McConnell are promising to hold the line on demanding dollar for dollar spending cuts for any debt ceiling increases presumably backed by Barry’s sequester idea.

What’s not to like?


40 posted on 04/17/2013 8:06:12 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Time will tell.


41 posted on 04/17/2013 8:10:25 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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