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Pa. man's apparent suicide leaves 3 others dead
Assoc. Press ^ | 04/17/2013 | MICHAEL RUBINKAM and RON TODT

Posted on 04/17/2013 1:59:27 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

QUAKERTOWN, Pa. (AP) -- Friends and neighbors were stunned and saddened by the deaths of four family members who appear to have died of carbon monoxide fumes that resulted from the husband's apparent suicide.

Bucks County District Attorney David Heckler said Tuesday night that a state police investigation indicates that Gary Reitnauer went to the garage of an adjacent home on the family's property on Monday and started the car following a disagreement with his wife, Michelle.

He said it is believed that Michelle Reitnauer and the family's two daughters tried to rescue him and were overcome by the fumes. Fire department rescue crews were unable to revive the family.

"Good man," a nephew, Rob Zern, told reporters as he left the home. "The family was trying to save each other and it didn't work out ... don't know what all went wrong, but it's a tragedy all around."

A neighbor described them as "just the sweetest family."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: suicide
Suicide is a selfish cowardly act. How terrible that he took his family with him.
1 posted on 04/17/2013 1:59:27 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Tragic stupid double Darwin award. Killed himself and his progeny.


2 posted on 04/17/2013 2:08:41 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Only selfish people off themselves.


3 posted on 04/17/2013 2:12:08 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Something’s not right here. Carbon Monoxide takes a while to kill you. Headache, dizziness and nausea occur way before death. Didn’t they even think to open the garage door?


4 posted on 04/17/2013 2:12:38 PM PDT by refermech
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To: refermech

At high enough concentrations simply inhaling can cause you to blackout. I have a cousin who simply walked into a room under construction, took a breath and passed out.


5 posted on 04/17/2013 2:15:05 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: refermech

garage door handle was knocked off. Still, it seems odd.


6 posted on 04/17/2013 2:17:51 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: refermech

Article says he broke the handle off the garage door so it couldn’t be opened. Wife tried to break out a window but was overcome by fumes. Girls each tried to get out for fresh air but neither made it far.


7 posted on 04/17/2013 2:17:56 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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8 posted on 04/17/2013 2:20:44 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: driftdiver

Must have been very high concentration. As the oxygen was consumed in the garage by the running engine, the engine would run richer and richer causing even more CO to be produced. A real tragedy.


9 posted on 04/17/2013 2:23:01 PM PDT by refermech
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To: refermech

That’s what I thought too. According to Wikipedia, concentrations of CO over 12000 ppm will lead to unconsciousness within two or three breaths, and death within a few minutes.

Since it has a greater affinity for hemoglobin than oxygen does, dragging the victim to open air and rescue breathing is not going to help a whole lot.

Note to self - no closed space, bad air rescues. Call 911, break windows, open doors. Wait.


10 posted on 04/17/2013 2:28:57 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: heartwood

No kidding! Good advice. I’m pretty sure however that the only way to achieve those levels are the car/suicide scenario. Never seen anything even remotely close to that when I was doing heating service work. The products of combustion would have to be totally contained.


11 posted on 04/17/2013 2:40:20 PM PDT by refermech
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To: allmendream

“Tragic stupid double Darwin award. Killed himself and his progeny.”

FWIW regarding a phony award based on all phony stories, he would not be eligible, as he already procreated.


12 posted on 04/17/2013 2:57:11 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Not if his progeny dies along with him. Removed from the gene pool.

Bet the idiot didn’t realize he had three people willing to risk death to try to save him. Sad.


13 posted on 04/17/2013 3:00:58 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Responsibility2nd

this is so horrifyingly sad.....may God have mercy on his soul.....


14 posted on 04/17/2013 3:10:04 PM PDT by cherry
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To: refermech

I have a friend’s dad who started their car in the garage on a cold day, walked away for time then returned. Took a breath and passed out.

Mom noticed he was still home, went to the garage, saw him on the floor, tried to help but was overcome by fumes, too.

Tragic but it happens.


15 posted on 04/17/2013 3:35:28 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: RedMonqey

That reminds me of this story I posted 4 years ago...

Family of 3 found dead (Car left running in Garage)
San Antonio Express-News ^ | 04/24/2009 | By Jeorge Zarazua and Alejandro Martinez-Cabrera

Posted on Friday, April 24, 2009 8:45:52 AM by Responsibility2nd

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2236828/posts


16 posted on 04/17/2013 3:56:43 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Only selfish people off themselves.

They are usually very depressed.

17 posted on 04/17/2013 4:00:29 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
They are usually very depressed.

Why didn't you say so?

That makes it OK then.

18 posted on 04/17/2013 4:09:52 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: treetopsandroofs

The two daughters were adopted from China.


19 posted on 04/17/2013 4:22:00 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Only selfish people off themselves.

In this case, the guy was being selfish because he had a wife and daughters to care for, in addition to guaranteeing that they would be the ones to find the body.

However, people like you love to say that suiciders are selfish, without ever considering the selfishness of those around them who often leave their own loved-ones to rot or may even engage in enough cruelty to prompt such an attempt.

Is a teenager who kills himself after years of parental abuse selfish? Maybe, but not more so than the bastard of a parent who drove him to it. Is a husband and father who kills himself after a nasty divorce selfish? Maybe, but no more so than the bitch of a wife who left him and took their kids, falsely claiming spousal abuse or sexual abuse toward the kids in order to get the court to forbid the man to see his own children.

Your blanket statement is that of a self-righteous blowhard. You have no idea what some people go through, so you'd be best off leaving the judgment to God.
20 posted on 04/17/2013 4:43:00 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
Make suicide sympathetic, and you get more suicide.

Make it clear that anybody who commits suicide will be remembered with contempt, and you get less of it.

Evidently you prefer the former course of action.

21 posted on 04/17/2013 4:46:41 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: Responsibility2nd
It can happen

My friend and his brothers (in school at the time) escaped the same fate only because the neighbors came by, peeked in a garage window, saw the bodies inside the garage, broke in to remove the poisonous gas and called the police.

Much too late however...

22 posted on 04/17/2013 4:54:57 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Really?
You seriously believe that someone who commits suicide gives a r@t’s arse what others will remember of them?
Wow!
There’s yer sign!


23 posted on 04/17/2013 5:37:55 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Make it clear that anybody who commits suicide will be remembered with contempt, and you get less of it.

This statement right here tells me that you don't understand the motivations behind suicide at all.
24 posted on 04/17/2013 5:40:56 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
Keep giving people sympathy who threaten suicide if that's what you like doing.

It's all about you.

25 posted on 04/17/2013 5:50:12 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Keep giving people sympathy who threaten suicide if that's what you like doing.
It's all about you.


You seem to have this habit of reading ridiculous strawmen into someone's words. You should work on that.
26 posted on 04/17/2013 6:53:48 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
You're a shrink, aren't ya?

You make a living convincing people they're weak and need your empathy to survive... as long as they have good insurance policy.

27 posted on 04/17/2013 6:55:51 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: refermech
Something’s not right here. Carbon Monoxide takes a while to kill you. Headache, dizziness and nausea occur way before death. Didn’t they even think to open the garage door?

Yeah, something about this narrative is off.

28 posted on 04/17/2013 6:56:34 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
You're a shrink, aren't ya?

You make a living convincing people they're weak and need your empathy to survive... as long as they have good insurance policy.


Bwahahahahaha! That doesn't even warrant a "nice try". I thought you were reading strawmen into other posts, now you're reading entire fantasy lives into single posts. LOL
29 posted on 04/17/2013 7:45:15 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Amberdawn

Ah, thanks. This would indicate eligibility then.


30 posted on 04/18/2013 4:43:00 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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