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BREAKING: Senate Kills Major Gun Legislation
Townhall.com ^ | April 17, 2013 | Guy Benson

Posted on 04/17/2013 3:34:17 PM PDT by Kaslin

Much of the drama has already dissipated; most of these amendments will fail.  The Toomey/Manchin bipartisan compromise appears to be dead in the water, with Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) and Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND) pounding home the final legislative nails earlier today. USA Today has a useful primer on what to expect this afternoon and evening, including the items liberals will be watching most carefully:
 

- The Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act (Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and three co-sponsors): The compromise background check provision expands background checks to gun shows and Internet sales, but exempts family-to-family and other in-home sales. It also authorizes $400 million to upgrade the national background check database and reduces the turnaround time for background checks from three days to two days; in four years, it would be reduced to one day

- The Assault Weapons Ban (Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and 23 co-sponsors): The amendment bans the sale, transfer and importation of assault rifles, including 157 specifically mentioned in the law -- a broader definition than existed from 1994 to 2004. Current lawful owners of assault weapons would be grandfathered.

- The Large-Capacity Magazine Feeding Devices Amendment (Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., and 21 co-sponsors): The measure would ban magazines and other devices holding more than 10 rounds, but exempts .22 caliber rifles. Police officers -- both on- and off-duty -- would also be exempted. It also authorizes federally funded gun buyback programs to purchase high-capacity magazines.  


None of those three are expected to pass (see update), though some of the other provisions might.  The assault weapons ban and magazine capacity limit will go down hard, a reality that has forced a beleagured Harry Reid to toss a last-minute gesture of lefty solidarity by backing Feinstein's doomed dream.   Stay tuned for updates...


UPDATE - Toomey/Manchin fails 54-46, with a handful of aisle-crossers in both directions.  The bill's supporters were six votes short of 60.  Four Republicans joined most Democrats in voting aye: Toomey, McCain, Kirk and Collins.  Dems going the other way: Baucus, Begich, Heitkamp, Pryor, and Reid (for procedural reasons).


UPDATE II - The primary Republican replacement amendment also goes down, 52-48.  Seven Nine Democrats joined nearly every Republican in voting yes, but it wasn't enough.  Looks like nothing (or close to it) is getting passed tonight.


UPDATE III - I'm sure this statement won't be demagogic at all:
 

White House sets 5:30 pm Rose Garden statement on guns by President Obama — Jamie Dupree (@jamiedupree) April 17, 2013


UPDATE IV - Here's the roster of Democrats who joined the GOP on their unsuccessful alternate amendment:
 

D's voting for GOP gun bill: Baucus, Begich, Donnelly, Hagan, Heitkamp, Landrieu, McCaskill, Pryor & Tester. — Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) April 17, 2013


UPDATE V - Leahy/Collins (re: gun-trafficking) is defeated.


UPDATE VI - The difficulty of gun legislation, in one tweet:
 

RT @hotlinejosh: RT @mikememoli: Asked to explain his vote, Sen. Baucus said one word: "Montana." — Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) April 17, 2013

 

UPDATE VII - Down goes Cornyn's amendment on concealed-carry reciprocity, 57-43.  That's an awful lot of votes for the idea, even though it failed.  Chuck Todd points out that more Senators voted to vastly expand gun rights than for the tepid Toomey/Manchin gun control law.  Wow.


UPDATE VIII - Let the lefty machinations begin:
 

---> MT @fschouten it begins: @boldprogressive announces full-page ads against Pryor, Begich, Baucus& Heitkamp over bkgrnd check votes — Brad Dayspring (@BDayspring) April 17, 2013


UPDATE VII - Surprise:
 

Newtown families, Gabby Giffords at the podium at the White House. whitehouse.gov/live — Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) April 17, 2013


UPDATE XIII - The federal Assault Weapons Ban stays buried. It wasn't close: 40 yes votes, 60 no.


UPDATE IX - Great point.  Keep this in mind when you see video of the president's furious -- and I mean furious -- Rose Garden statement:
 

Didn’t this guy have 60 Democratic votes in the Senate not long ago? Where was the gun-control push then? — Allahpundit (@allahpundit) April 17, 2013



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1 posted on 04/17/2013 3:34:17 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

SWEET!


2 posted on 04/17/2013 3:35:03 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Very


3 posted on 04/17/2013 3:35:46 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

The grand irony is that this is happening at the exact same time that the Boston bombings are reminding people that there are worse weapons than guns.


4 posted on 04/17/2013 3:36:03 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Wanderer99

Indeed


5 posted on 04/17/2013 3:36:58 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
Giffords' husband can't even buy a used gun in Arizona through a dealer.

What kind of anti-gun advocate is that ~ reminds me of the mob counseling that people don't need guns.

6 posted on 04/17/2013 3:38:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin
when you see video of the president's furious -- and I mean furious -- Rose Garden statement

LOL! I hope he's spitting mad! Watch out for domestic violence, Reggie!

7 posted on 04/17/2013 3:39:22 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Kaslin

FYI...on the NY Safe Act

Albany Police Officers Union, local 2841, “We respectfully demand that you do the right thing and repeal the law.”

The letter:

To: Andrew M. Cuomo / Dean G. Skelos / Neil D. Breslin / John T- McDonald III / Phil Steck / Sheldon Silver / Jeffrey D. Klein / Cecilia Tkaczyk / Patricia Fahy Note; see the formal list of people this letter went to at the bottom.

April 15,2013

Honorable Ladies and Gentlemen:

The Albany Police Officers Union condemns and opposes the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act (the SAFE Act) Substantively, we believe that it violates fundamental constitutional rights, that it is unduly and purposely burdensome on law-abiding citizens, and” that it will not deter criminals or menially ill individuals from plotting and carrying out bloodshed and violence. Procedurally, we believe that the way in which the bill was rammed into law via an unjustified and expedient “message of necessity”, which circumvents the right and the ability of the citizens of this State to voice their concerns about the bill and have them addressed, is an outrage. This flawed law’ and the w ay in which it was rushed and passed., shows the apparent contempt that those who govern have for the governed, and. calls into question whether we truly have a representational government. Morally, we believe that this law is about ideology and politics and not about making anyone any safer. We respectfully demand that you do the right thing and repeal the law.

First, while we applaud and support your overall concern for public safety and your desire to improve it. The SAFE Act will not improve public safety. Criminals and the mentally ill will not abide by it, and it is either foolish or dishonest to think or suggest otherwise. While law-abiding citizens will abide by the law and not load a ten-round magazine with more than seven rounds, do you really expect a criminal or mentally ill individual intent on doing violence not load ten rounds into a ten-round magazine? While law-abiding citizens will abide by the law that previously legal thirty-round magazines must be sold within one-year to an out-of-state resident or turn in to local authorities, do you really expect a criminal or mentally ill individual intent on doing violence to sell or turn in his thirty-round magazines? While law-abiding citizens will abide by the law requiring that they register weapons which they already do and which have been deemed “assault weapons”, do you really expect a criminal or mentally ill individual intent on doing violence to do so? Do you really expect a criminal or mentally ill individual intent on doing violence to be concerned about any increase in penalties for shooting first responders? Do you really expect that a mentally ill individual who owns firearms and who is intent on doing violence will voice his intentions to his or her mental health professional and thus put into motion the confiscation of his or her firearms? Do you-really expect that a mentally ill individual will “safely store” his firearms? Of course you don’t. Again, only law-abiding citizens, who are not intent on doing violence, will abide the NY SAFE Act criminals and the mentally ill who are intent on doing violence will not do so. The public will not be any safer under this 1aw. What then, have you accomplished?

Second., the SAFE Act carries with it unfair burdens on law abiding citizen. What is the point of making law-abiding citizens register their previously lawfully owned and lawfully used firearms which are now deemed to be “assault weapons”? What is the point of making law-abiding citizens who affirmatively “opt into” protection from public identification that they hold permits or own firearms? What is the point of making law-abiding citizens renew their pistol permits or “assault weapon” registrations every five years? Why are you preemptively punishing those who have done nothing wrong?

Third, -we fully believe that the SAFE ACT broad prohibitions against will not. withstand constitutional challenge and scrutiny. The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides and U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld the right of individuals to possess and carry firearms and to use them for lawful purposes. The SAFE Act, however, infringes on that right as it bans the possession and use of certain firearms that were heretofore possessed and” used lawfully for the defense of life, liberty, and property, and as it bans the possession and use of certain firearms that were heretofore possessed and used lawfully for safe use of firearms recreation, hunting, and shooting.

We as police officers are on the front lines of public safety. Respectfully, none of you are. We see, feel, work, and live with the effects of gun violence in ways that you cannot. We believe that you see gun violence as a means to move your agenda and your ambitions forward. You know that the SAFE Act will not work in the way that you pretend it will. You know that this shameful SAFE Act was about ideology and politics and not about making anyone safer.

Regarding the reduction in violent crime this new legislation is proposed to have, in 2011 the most current year for which FBI crime statistics are available, New York State had 77l homicides, 445 were committed with a firearm, 394 of that 445 were committed with a handgun, 5 were committed with a rifle, 16 were committed with a shotgun, in 30 the firearm type was unknown, 160 were committed with a cutting instrument, 143 were committed with another type of weapon, and 26 were committed with bare hands. We believe based on these statistics, that the SAFE Act will do nothing to reduce violent crime as the primary target of the legislation is the “assault rifle” which would be included statistically with standard rifles and used in less than 1% of New York homicides in 2011.These so called “Assault Weapons” were not used in the commission of one reported crime in Albany County in 2011.

For the reasons set forth above, the Albany Police Union believes that the SAFE Act is wrong - substantively, procedurally, and morally. The SAFE Act infringes on the rights of law-abiding citizens, it will burden and negatively impact firearms ownership by law-abiding citizens and will not affect the willingness of criminals or those who are mentally ill from perpetrating violence. Again, we respectfully demand that each and all of you do the right thing and repeal the law.

Very truly yours,

Thomas Mahar: President Albany Police Officers Union, local 2841 Council 82, AFSCME, AFI-CIO


8 posted on 04/17/2013 3:40:11 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Kaslin
Thank you GOP for standing strong.

thank you Republican senator Kelly aYote. and she's pretty too


9 posted on 04/17/2013 3:40:22 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Mary Landrieu voted for the UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: Kaslin
"You get NOTHING! You LOSE! Good DAY, sir!"
10 posted on 04/17/2013 3:42:02 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Future Snake Eater

I was hoping he would have a stroke and drop like a rock during his speech.


11 posted on 04/17/2013 3:42:08 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends



Our Republic functioned properly today. Citizens patriots actively won the day!

Our Constitution was upheld!


Please Show Your Support for Free Republic Today.

If you can Donate Monthly, that would be ideal.

12 posted on 04/17/2013 3:45:16 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Kaslin

I’m confused. The only thing that got voted down today as I understand are the amendments, some of which would have instituted universal background checks (national rights exercise database). But the base bill already has a rights-exercise database provision. So why are so many on left AND right acting as if the bill is KO’ed? Is there some procedural thing I’m missing here?


13 posted on 04/17/2013 3:46:06 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Kaslin

Obama has his panties in a bunch. We have three years to make him look like a total loser and completely demoralize him. Wouldn’t it be ironic that things get so low for him that he takes a ....


14 posted on 04/17/2013 3:46:30 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: Renegade

He did have a class A, third grader, foot stompin, bawlin hissey fit, didn,t he? hehe


15 posted on 04/17/2013 3:46:34 PM PDT by biff (WAS)
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To: onyx

You would think those people could afford a suit for their kid to go to the white hut. At least tuck his shirt in and wear a belt.

Who is the buck and the sour looking guy on the left?


16 posted on 04/17/2013 3:48:39 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Renegade
I was hoping he would have a stroke and drop like a rock during his speech.

I don't think anybody wants President Plugs (The First Plagiarist of The United States). He'd probably nuke Canada thinking he was calling for coffee.

17 posted on 04/17/2013 3:49:37 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

18 posted on 04/17/2013 3:50:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Future Snake Eater

That arrogant pos occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania AVE is (starts with a p and ends with a d. Life is sweet. *Big smile*


19 posted on 04/17/2013 3:51:44 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: biff
He did have a class A, third grader, foot stompin, bawlin hissey fit, didn,t he? hehe

I saw that - he was downright nasty. And full of "it".

20 posted on 04/17/2013 3:54:00 PM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: dfwgator

He even kicks like a girl.


21 posted on 04/17/2013 3:54:05 PM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: dfwgator

You did great!

Only thing better would have been to see the POS break glass kicking into the white hut or going in and then throwing things around.


22 posted on 04/17/2013 3:54:55 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Kaslin
Score one for the First Amendment.

I'd have a difficult time answering the question of whether I support gun control; if you mean accurate aiming, perhaps even involving holding the gun with both hands, then, yes! Of course; by all means.
On the other hand, if by "gun control" you mean a tyrannical government unconstitutionally infringing upon the right of the people to keep and bear arms then the answer would have to be: "Of course not; what's the matter with you?"

23 posted on 04/17/2013 3:57:43 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: Still Thinking

Fox News just showed him on TV. Trust me he was pissed.


24 posted on 04/17/2013 3:58:00 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: dfwgator

Bwahahaha!!! The tribe has spoken.


25 posted on 04/17/2013 4:00:13 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kaslin
The heinous bombings at the Boston Marathon makes law-abiding citizens even more insistent on having guns for protection against the evil in the world.
26 posted on 04/17/2013 4:00:51 PM PDT by District13 (Obama scares me)
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To: Wanderer99
I don't think it's irony at all. I think the two are related.

After yesterday, people have every reason to be skeptical about their government's intentions in terms of gun control when they can't even congregate in a public space safely.

As soon as I heard the news of the bombing, I speculated that the gun control issue would suddenly become a non-issue.

27 posted on 04/17/2013 4:01:39 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: Kaslin

Big Bang Bumparoo!


28 posted on 04/17/2013 4:01:59 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: Kaslin

I have summarized the results of all of tonight’s votes over on this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3009008/posts
start here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3009008/posts?page=170#170


29 posted on 04/17/2013 4:05:46 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Fitzy_888

****menially ill individuals****

In my opinion this is a “hinge phrase”. Highly appropriate in its use and highly useable by the left to distort its meaning.


30 posted on 04/17/2013 4:05:57 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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To: stevio

Don’t worry nobama. Reggie will make you feel better next time you two are “together”.


31 posted on 04/17/2013 4:07:05 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Sequoyah101

At least he could tuck his shirt in.


32 posted on 04/17/2013 4:08:10 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: Kaslin

I will tell you....Prior from AR voted NO only because his vote wasn’t needed. We will defeat this Marxist in 2014. Count on it.


33 posted on 04/17/2013 4:09:35 PM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Still Thinking
There were seven amendments and each one was rejected

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 113th Congress - 1st Session (2013)

34 posted on 04/17/2013 4:10:22 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Fitzy_888
While law-abiding citizens will abide by the law that previously legal thirty-round magazines must be sold within one-year to an out-of-state resident or turn in to local authorities, do you really expect a criminal or mentally ill individual intent on doing violence to sell or turn in his thirty-round magazines? While law-abiding citizens will abide by the law requiring that they register weapons which they already do and which have been deemed “assault weapons”, do you really expect a criminal or mentally ill individual intent on doing violence to do so?

I know that this guy has to say this about law-abiding citizens, but I'd like to know if he really believes that there's going to be anything close to 100% compliance. Methinks that it'll be more like 25%. I can tell you from my experience in NJ with its magazine ban that compliance will be miniscule - the people that own guns generally know their rights, know that a Constitutionally-void law is no law, and have a certain contempt for statist SOBs that want to burden them for the acts of criminals and mental defectives.

Oh, and I wouldn't want to be a cop in NY trying to enforce this POS legislation. I presume that they all want to return home in their automobiles every day, not leave work in a body bag. THAT is the real reason this letter was written.

Oh, and I have a message for pResident Zero: Phuck you and the horse you rode in on. We won, and you can't do diddly about it, chump! Hope you get a bad case of the Hershey squirts and don't sleep a wink tonight, knowing that the American People are wise to your statist crap, and that even your bought-and-paid-for Senators can count voters.

35 posted on 04/17/2013 4:11:28 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Kaslin

Ubama and the scumbag liberals are stomping their feet? Good.


36 posted on 04/17/2013 4:12:14 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Fitzy_888

One thing I’d like to see more people start doing: use terms other than “law” to describe illegitimate statutes, regulations, ordinances, etc. Statutes, regulations, ordinances, etc. which are contrary to the supreme Law of the Land are void and are not laws; thus by definition, anything which is actually a law must be constitutional. I’m not saying every mention of unconstitutional acts must get into a discussion of the fact that such things are not laws, but would like to see such things using nouns like “statute” or “rule” rather than “law”. Liberals subvert vocabulary to promote lies; conservatives need to use correct vocabulary to promote truth.


37 posted on 04/17/2013 4:14:38 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: Kaslin

Right, but isn’t the base bill still alive (S.649, with national database)? So why are they all so pissed and why are all the pro-rights people so happy, like this was a fait accompli?


38 posted on 04/17/2013 4:18:05 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Kaslin
OK, a couple of important statements were left out.

First, Senator Dianne Feinstein during the debate on her so-called assault weapons ban urged her colleagues to “show some guts.” I am reminded that in Japan failed leaders tended to “show their guts” in a more ritual way via seppuku(also called harakiri). Perhaps the Senator from California should take her own advice.

Finally, after reading what our President said today about this being only the first round. I am reminded of the words of former Sec. State and Senator Hillary Clinton, “What difference, at this point, does it make?”

39 posted on 04/17/2013 4:26:27 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Kaslin

Hip! Hip! Hooray! Finally some good news.


40 posted on 04/17/2013 4:32:32 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: dfwgator

FUBO


41 posted on 04/17/2013 4:37:07 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: Still Thinking

Several amendments were voted down because they didn’t get the required 60 votes. My understanding is that the cloture vote on Apr. 9 allows the bill to pass the Senate on a majority vote. So whatever the bill reads and if no amendments are agreed to then a simple majority can pass it in the Senate. Don’t know how accurate all that is.

from the following:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/04/11/gun-bill-passes-senate-cloture-despite-the-fact-that-no-senator-has-actually-seen-it/

The cloture vote does not guarantee that the bill will pass, but it does now put it up to a simple majority vote in the Senate. Democrats have the majority in the Senate, and often vote with their party rather than vote with what their constituents want. They did that very thing when they passed ObamaCare, and had not read that bill before passing it either. Democrat Mary Landrieu, for instance, is from a red state, but she’ll do what the party tells her to do after extracting some meaningless concessions. The pressure will then mount on the House to kill it. Obama’s political army OFA is already emailing its minions to keep the pressure up on Congress to pass the bill — which no one has actually read.


42 posted on 04/17/2013 4:37:31 PM PDT by deport
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To: dfwgator

We need to make that faggot pay to replace that door jamb.


43 posted on 04/17/2013 4:43:11 PM PDT by KevinB (A country that would elect Barack Obama president twice is no longer worth fighting for.)
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To: mosaicwolf

I did email him and let him know we expected a NO vote. I don’t know if it did any good but I will support any conservative candidate.


44 posted on 04/17/2013 4:43:56 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: Billthedrill

Beautiful! Thank you!


45 posted on 04/17/2013 4:44:51 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: Kaslin

remember the MSM was confident is reporting THE GREAT ONE Obama was PERSONALLY making calles.

the democrats must hate him, really really hate him.


46 posted on 04/17/2013 5:00:49 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Kaslin

This bill was never major. The base bill does almost nothing, the amendment that was rejected was about the minimum possible thing they could do and say they did anything.

Obama should feel lucky that the entire bill isn’t hijacked to roll BACK some of the restrictions on guns.


47 posted on 04/17/2013 5:39:35 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Agreed, the base bill was intended as a vehicle to which these other proposed laws could be affixed as amendments. Looks like Lautenberg’s magazine-capacity amendment is still awaiting a vote, though. Think I’ll wait on that one before celebrating (but I am smiling a bit - can’t help it).


48 posted on 04/17/2013 5:50:52 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: onyx
Obama's 90% Lies.

Right out of the Big Lie Playbook. Particularly effective with a cooperating MSM.


49 posted on 04/17/2013 6:06:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: deport
Several amendments were voted down because they didn’t get the required 60 votes.

There is only one reason this failed, and that is because it would not have passed the House. These senators didn't want to put themselves on the line and then have it hurt them.

Always count ALL democrats in favor of gun control. If this were a matter of one or 2 votes WITH a good chance to pass in the House, then all of those democrats would have voted FOR it.

50 posted on 04/17/2013 6:43:07 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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