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The controversial moment SWAT teams ordered innocent neighbors out of their houses at GUNPOINT ...
The Daily Mail Online ^ | April 23, 2013 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 04/23/2013 5:46:29 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

A startling home-made video now shows the terrifying moments where Watertown residents were forced out of their homes at gunpoint as SWAT teams performed door-to-door searches as they hunted the second marathon bomber.

While millions of Bostonians waited in their houses on Friday during the city-wide lockdown, the people of Watertown were faced with SWAT officers yelling at them to get out of the buildings immediately.

At the time, the Boston police department and federal agents were barely criticized, but now many are concerned about the dangerous precedent that could lead to more police searches using the rationale of ‘exigent circumstances’ as an excuse.

The video, shot by an unidentified Watertown resident, shows a team of SWAT officers wielding semi-automatic guns bang on his neighbor’s front door and scream for them to get out of the house’.

The residents are whisked away- hands in the air, one by one- to a nearby group of officers as the SWAT team searches the house for the second shooter, 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

Early reports, made by journalists who were kept out of Watertown by a police barricade, said that the searches were voluntary.

Now, the video published on right-wing conservative news blog InfoWars, asserts that the searches were involuntary, as all residents were forced out of their homes whether they liked it or not.

The six-minute video shows just one search of the suburban town’s homes during the day-long lockdown. While the outside world looked to the media gathered on the perimeter of Watertown, those trapped inside the search area looked outside to scary sights.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bostonbombing; counterterrorism; housesearches; leo; manhunt; stormfront; tsarnaev; watertown; watertownfamilies
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To: 101stAirborneVet
Just beginning to look at the police response at the "at large bomber" and it seems a like a tremendous over reach to me. Shutting down an entire major American City over one wounded teenager with a gun? Also note that the police never found the bomber, a citizen did once he was allowed to leave his home. All this looks to me like great theater but not very effective law enforcement. Maybe LE thought this was a great opportunity to practice house to house searches.

The video of the house search is disturbing but I do not know the circumstances. I'd have to see a few more videos before I'd get really concerned. Could be the house being searched was "a house of interest". I very much doubt this search was typical of all the house to house searches.

To sum up, looks like a practice run to me, with a few homes selected for "special treatment", not a serious effort to apprehend the bomber.

51 posted on 04/23/2013 6:15:15 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: DuncanWaring

I watched Alex Jones’ sites for the last few days as he desperately searched for any way he could to twist this story into something that he could use to make fools out of conservatives.

Looks like he finally succeeded with this video.

Now he’s getting help from the Brit rags, who have to sell papers after all.


52 posted on 04/23/2013 6:15:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Near as I can tell, the people of Watertown are still cheering the police.

Sad that any US citizen would cheer police demanding that you come out of your castle. Doubtful I would have complied.

53 posted on 04/23/2013 6:16:36 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: EternalVigilance

Nice non-answer.

Do you also advocate this tactic for cleaning up the barbarian gangs in Chicago killing ten people every week?


54 posted on 04/23/2013 6:17:33 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: outpostinmass2

Oka, so he was in the basement and got out. How did the dogs not pick up the scent????? He is wounded???????

The torn tarp. Look at the video of the robot tearing the tarp.

It doesn’t look torn at the beginning of that video.


55 posted on 04/23/2013 6:17:34 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Doogle; EternalVigilance

This particular video shows numerous adult male residents, suggestive of a frat house. So it’s possible someone reported suspicious activity there.

If the police did house-to-house searches anywhere, we’ll be seeing the videos soon.

As for the sheeple, they’ll still whine if they think it’ll get them attention and settlement dough.

Pox on both houses.


56 posted on 04/23/2013 6:17:36 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: EternalVigilance
Can you point me to one legitimate source that is claiming these searches were illegal?

Because the source of this article is InfoWars.

Is Alex Jones your authority on these matters?

Once again with the ad hominem. It's becoming tiresome. I have commented on several threads about this, giving my perspective from 20 years in law enforcement. My authority is two police academies and a career in the very field we are discussing.

It doesn't matter to me what Alex Jones says or not. I am not claiming that the Boston searches were illegal, therefore the officers are all lizard people. I am raising what I believe to be reasonable challenges and questions regarding the actions of my comrades in uniform.

Of note, you still refuse to answer the question. Rather telling.

57 posted on 04/23/2013 6:18:01 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: RummyChick

So you boating people out there...

does this look like a torn up tarp before the robot tears it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUKjia37jPg


58 posted on 04/23/2013 6:19:23 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Uncle Chip


59 posted on 04/23/2013 6:20:31 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Uncle Chip

What is the word on Info Wars?

I posted from them once and got shouted down. I don’t know why.

They seem to have some sort of stigma or bad reputation. What is that?

Please advise.


60 posted on 04/23/2013 6:21:08 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Leftists' favorite Mass Murderer: Kermit Gosnell)
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To: Uncle Chip

I hope that at least one homeowner will stand up and take this to court. The precedent set by this will do terrible damage to this country. Invading the homes of citizens, tossing them outside, and inflicting property damage will become the customary way of hunting fugitives for crimes much lesser than terrorism. Oh, that won’t happen here? In the past five years a lot of things “I never thought I’d see in America” have happened in America.

By the way, are there any dogs or cats still alive inside Watertown homes?


61 posted on 04/23/2013 6:21:18 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

They should deal with according to the law. It’s simple.

No one here has shown that the police in Watertown did anything but that.


62 posted on 04/23/2013 6:21:28 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: RummyChick

Now is this guy getting into the boat the night before or getting out of the boat after he has been bleeding, on the run, and shot in the throat

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/23/article-2313297-196FF6ED000005DC-425_634x344.jpg


63 posted on 04/23/2013 6:21:28 AM PDT by RummyChick
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64 posted on 04/23/2013 6:21:56 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Uncle Chip
This is the kind of government that the people of Watertown and hundreds of other Liberal hell holes in Massachusetts vote for time after time after time.

"Well, if the police have to do something like this, there must be a good reason. It makes me feel so much safer."

65 posted on 04/23/2013 6:22:14 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: RummyChick

The dogs did pick-up a scent but then lost the scent.

Details about the boat owner.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/20/watertown-boat-owner-bombing-suspect-david-henneberry_n_3122563.html


66 posted on 04/23/2013 6:22:52 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: RummyChick
My question, if you were controlling that manhunt..wouldn’t you have used dogs from the scene of the last known vehicle that he used that was abandoned???

Yes, I would have had K9 involved immediately. At this point, I have no reason to believe that K9 was not involved, I just haven't seen any footage of any tracking happening. It could have happened though, I don't know.

One problem is that for K9 to effectively track, you can't have 9,000 people running all over the place. It messes up the track and is distracting to the animal. Normally you set up a perimeter, and K9 searches inside that perimeter with all other officers staying back / behind K9.

67 posted on 04/23/2013 6:23:35 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: EternalVigilance; 101stAirborneVet
Actually I did answer you.

You did not answer 101stAirborneVet's question:

Given that on an almost nightly basis, violent felons (murderers, armed carjackers, AWIK [Assault with Intent to Kill], etc.) run from the police in DC and get away into a neighborhood, do you support the DC police doing each night what Boston did in this particular event?

It's a simple question. Is your answer "yes" or "no"?

68 posted on 04/23/2013 6:25:07 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Travis McGee
"If you don't know, "Lockdown" is a prison term.

Thanks Travis. I've been pointing that out for a couple years on FReep now.

69 posted on 04/23/2013 6:25:30 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Uncle Chip

If there is one constant with this incident and the recent one on the west coast it is to see how police become unhinged when a criminal attacks them and especially when he kills an officer or someone inside their circles of association. How else can you explain why the Kalifornia cops were so quick to shot up vehicles in two separate incidents?

The treatment of residents of Watertown by officers parallels the treatment of the two women in Kali who were delivering newspapers. In both cases we are just lucky that nobody got shot. This was police unfettered by law and they must be held accountable or it will become too easy for this to happen again.


70 posted on 04/23/2013 6:25:45 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: EternalVigilance

I live in a little town and if there was a dangerous violent criminal on the loose and the Sheriff wanted to look around my house/property I would have no objection. I would have a serious problem with the sheriff if he came at me with guns drawn aimed at me.


71 posted on 04/23/2013 6:25:52 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: outpostinmass2

It doesn’t say the tarp was cut. It says a retention strap was cut.

So I am asking people familiar with tarps if that makes sense given what you see of Bomber getting INTO the boat.

It doesn’t make sense to me.

So does that mean he was getting OUT of the boat after the robot

It doesn’t make sense to me given his supposed condition.


72 posted on 04/23/2013 6:26:48 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: jpsb

I assure you that if your local sheriff thought there was a real possibility that there was a terrorist bomber in your house holding your family hostage he would have his gun drawn. That’s reality.


73 posted on 04/23/2013 6:28:24 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: Uncle Chip
The more I read about the bombing and the search for and capture/killing of the brothers, whose name I cannot pronounce much less spell the more questions I have. And the more disgusted with the citizens and LEO and the politicians and the news media. At this point, no one is looking good, much less ‘heroic’.

What I do know is, I thank God I do not live in the Northeast or in any major metro area. I am putting my house on the market next week in an attempt to move further out in the sticks. As far as I can from any city and their metrosexual ways as I can get.

74 posted on 04/23/2013 6:28:33 AM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: EternalVigilance

Most Good Germans cheered too.


75 posted on 04/23/2013 6:30:10 AM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

http://www.globalanimal.org/2013/04/19/will-dogs-nose-for-crime-find-second-boston-bomber/95856/

There were dogs used in the search and you are probably correct that 9000 people messes up the track. I was told that initially the dogs traced the suspect to basement of house. The suspect was hiding there but had left. The dogs could not find the suspect after this location.


76 posted on 04/23/2013 6:30:20 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: EternalVigilance
They should deal with according to the law. It’s simple.

No one here has shown that the police in Watertown did anything but that.

Actually, in several threads you have been provided with case law controlling fresh / hot / immediate pursuit, as well as exigency. You apparently decline to avail yourself of their instruction.

The law of the land is the US Constitution, which guarantees that We are to be secure in our persons and property. The exceptions carved out by case law are narrow and specific.

The searches in Boston were anything but narrow and specific.

You argue in a frustrating way. You dodge questions, misdirect topics, answer in generalities and make vague statements like "according to the law. It's simple".

To me, this is indicative of someone who simply wants to believe a certain way, arguments to the contrary be damned.

I will just caution you that, in my opinion, you cannot see the forest for the trees here. I could have used your position to justify thousands of searches during my career; searches that I would have considered unconstitutional and morally reprehensible. As a law enforcement officer, I felt it was my duty to protect the people and their rights. You seem to omit the second part.

77 posted on 04/23/2013 6:30:59 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Ken H

I’ve already answered this question numerous times, even if folks want to pretend that I haven’t.

The rules are the same everywhere in the country that I’m aware of. If there is an imminent threat to the lives of the citizens, such exigent circumstances guide the police.


78 posted on 04/23/2013 6:31:05 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: opentalk

They knew at that point the identity of the person that they were looking for. None of those people who came out of that house looked like the 19 year old Chechen.

And they are pointing their AKs at these people and making them put their hands up as if they were. WTH

Atleast they didn’t shoot the dog.


79 posted on 04/23/2013 6:31:12 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: outpostinmass2

Anyone the location of the house where he was in the basement???

I would like to see how far away it was from the boat.


80 posted on 04/23/2013 6:33:06 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: EternalVigilance

Yup, it all hinges on the “real possibility” if in fact they had a real possibility I would not complain after the fact. But I would bitterly complain if this was SOP for house to house with no intel indicated the wanted criminal with was on any particular premises.


81 posted on 04/23/2013 6:33:46 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: RetSignman

Heavy military equipment was readily available.


82 posted on 04/23/2013 6:34:05 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: 101stAirborneVet

The right to live is the supreme right. The protection of that right when it is threatened always overshadows the demands of the lawyerly. It’s natural.


83 posted on 04/23/2013 6:34:44 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: knarf

so you think”probable cause” gives the police cart Blanche to do warrant less searches over a 26 mile urban area?


84 posted on 04/23/2013 6:35:11 AM PDT by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I doubt you’re baffled.

The site at the following link shows graphic pictures of the injured at the Boston Marathon.

http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/

The man who wrote the report is an EMT. He states clearly how the scene was staged.

We are too trusting of our government. Now, today, we have a radical Marxist and Muslim in the White House. He and the others with him cannot be trusted.


85 posted on 04/23/2013 6:36:11 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll
He states clearly how the scene was staged.

I wondered when the ultimate Alex Jones fantasy would show up here.

86 posted on 04/23/2013 6:37:11 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I’m from MA, live less than a mile from where they arrested #2’s friends. I don’t support what Law Enforcement did. They just raped our Constitutional rights. I would’ve made the news because I would’ve refused their search. Peaceably, I wouldn’t have answered the door.
I am not proud to be an American after that display of militarized police. 9,000 cops and a guy smoking a cigarette finds #2. If it wasn’t for the guy who got car jacked leaving his cell phone on in the car the two bombers would’ve completely escaped.
What’s more disgusting 200 rounds fired and #2 runs away and hides. Isn’t there one cop competent with a firearm? I say that from experience, I’ve seen the average cop shoot at the range.
This is a scary precedent set. This will happen again in a town near you. The terrorists are winning. Not only are they creating fear but now our government is. Fear your Government. Love your Country. So sad.


87 posted on 04/23/2013 6:37:15 AM PDT by RIGHTWING WACKO FROM MASS. (Better to have and not need than to need and not have...my theory on gun control)
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To: RIGHTWING WACKO FROM MASS.

Well, you’re the first.


88 posted on 04/23/2013 6:38:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Watertown had one “alleged” murder running loose.

Chicago and DC have dozens, if not hundreds of murderers running loose, with new ones joining the group each and every day.

Why don’t they get the lockdown/house-to-house-search treatment?


89 posted on 04/23/2013 6:38:22 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I NEVER use anything from Alex Jones.

At this point, I’m certain you’re a government plant.


90 posted on 04/23/2013 6:38:52 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: EternalVigilance

The right to live is the supreme right. The protection of that right when it is threatened always overshadows the demands of the lawyerly. It’s natural.
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Ya know..the thing that was creepy to me..among many things..was that the police told the people to come on outside..they weren’t in danger. We sat here and said YIKES looks like they are using the public as bait after keeping them inside for so long. Suddenly..without finding the guy..everything is peachy keen and safe? Odd.


91 posted on 04/23/2013 6:40:55 AM PDT by stillafreemind
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To: SatinDoll

I’m sure you are. Paranoia strikes deep.


92 posted on 04/23/2013 6:40:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (RINOism to Libertarianism: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.)
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To: EternalVigilance
The right to live is the supreme right.

Negative. The right to live free is.

93 posted on 04/23/2013 6:44:07 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Kozak

The question is not that they are allowed to do the warrantless searches

The question really is when does it go too far.

Unfortunately, that is subjective.

I use this example from a different state. I think it was WEST COAST.

A LEO was killed on the scene. Warrantless searches were done for 4 days of the murder scene under the murder exception.

Evidence thrown out.

We might be okay with that kind of massive manhunt type searches under certain circumstances but not other circumstances.

Right now, I am not comfortable with them given the MUZZIE lover in Office with a missing Saudi terrorist and an Attorney General that wants to limit citizens rights - such as expanding the public safety exemption on the Miranda warning.


94 posted on 04/23/2013 6:45:32 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: EternalVigilance
I assure you that if your local sheriff thought there was a real possibility that there was a terrorist bomber in your house holding your family hostage he would have his gun drawn. That’s reality.

I'm sorry -- did I miss something??? Was there a terrorist in that house holding those people hostage??? and since when do you rescue a family held hostage by aiming your weapons at the hostages???

95 posted on 04/23/2013 6:46:16 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Not on this video but related.
As I watched the news I heard and the news people reacted to 2 shootouts in the morning. No one mentioned or explained who they were shooting at or why. Does anyone know what happened?


96 posted on 04/23/2013 6:47:17 AM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: EternalVigilance

Don’t be a jerk. He isn’t the first; you’re just not paying attention.

But you’ll have another chance, and soon.

There is going to be a “Zombie drill” - yes, another - this time in Idaho on Arpil 27th or 28th. It will be interesting to see if the Feds manage to arrange house-to-house searches there.

Originally there would have been a “Nuclear attack drill” in Los Angeles on the 28th, but some incompetent government lackey mistakenly posted the ‘Memorial List of the Dead’ from that event online! Thank God the government isn’t more efficient or none of us would be safe.

But someone, probably in BHO2’s regime is busy going through the internet and redirecting links from photos depicting staged injuries at Boston, to porn sites. Pretty sick!


97 posted on 04/23/2013 6:47:45 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: RummyChick
I have a trap on my boat. You need to have tarp on very tight otherwise during a noreaster wind can get underneath the tarp and blow it off. If you loosen a strap in one small location or cut the strap on the side one could slide underneath the tarp. One thing I do all winter long is inspect the straps to ensure they haven't loosened. It is a habit of all boat owners.
98 posted on 04/23/2013 6:48:10 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: Kozak
Based on earlier thread, many Freepers are okay with this.

Late last night I ended up in a bit of an argument with some regarding this subject. He wrote the cops did exactly what they should have and we should be applauding them (paraphrase, not quote).

It was a thread with over 200 posts and as I read him arguing with others I had a feeling he was a plant, although he has had an account for well over thirteen years.

99 posted on 04/23/2013 6:51:58 AM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: Doogle

..we’d have to know the circumstances under which the house was searched....was the address a known address the bombers were familiar with, was the house (or address) also connected with the other two men here illegally associated and still in jail?


All valid questions but no point trying to reason with the unhinged. They want to go on an anti cop rant and will grasp at any straw to do it.

I listened to the scanner when this went down. There were numerous false alarms called in to the police. Guy in the bushes, guy with backpack trying to hitch a ride, 3 arabs in a cab, etc., etc. PD responded to all of them and given the gravity of the situation had to assume they were legit.

Yet I don’t see anyone suggesting charging citizens with making false reports. Just attacking cops doing their job while on the receiving end of IEDs. Considering they were dealing with an unknown number of assailants with paramilitary ordnance, I think everything came out just fine.


100 posted on 04/23/2013 6:55:07 AM PDT by lodi90
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