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The controversial moment SWAT teams ordered innocent neighbors out of their houses at GUNPOINT
Mail Online ^ | 4/23/2013 | Daily Mail reporter

Posted on 04/23/2013 5:00:15 PM PDT by plain talk

A startling home-made video now shows the terrifying moments where Watertown residents were forced out of their homes at gunpoint as SWAT teams performed door-to-door searches as they hunted the second marathon bomber. While millions of Bostonians waited in their houses on Friday during the city-wide lockdown, the people of Watertown were faced with SWAT officers yelling at them to get out of the buildings immediately. At the time, the Boston police department and federal agents were barely criticized, but now many are concerned about the dangerous precedent that could lead to more police searches using the rationale of ‘exigent circumstances’ as an excuse.

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Video is a must see. Look how these police handled this home owner. It is ridiculous. All this over a skinny 19 year old bomber. Yes he needed to be caught but this is not how it should have been accomplished
1 posted on 04/23/2013 5:00:15 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

government tyranny


2 posted on 04/23/2013 5:01:28 PM PDT by Democrat_media (s tMary Landrieu voted for the UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: plain talk

A skinny 19 year old that was discovered by a civilian when he was permitted to walk on his own property!


3 posted on 04/23/2013 5:03:54 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: plain talk

I saw videos of an army of police ordering people out of their homes at gun point and yelling at them to put their hands up , treating them like criminals when they had done nothing wrong

hundreds of cops raided just about every house in that town. they ordered everyone in a house out at gunpoint with their hands up. here is a video of some of the raids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=B_Gb6i5DF9k&NR=1

they had armored vehicles, machine guns, armor etc.

all this for 1 guy

they ordered a lockdown where no one could leave their house and no one could go into their house. This is against freedom


4 posted on 04/23/2013 5:04:39 PM PDT by Democrat_media (s tMary Landrieu voted for the UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: Democrat_media

I fear it is a ‘practice run’ for what could be coming.......


5 posted on 04/23/2013 5:05:05 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: plain talk
I don't like it.

It was not the legal way.

You are to allow them in only with a search warrant.

What is wrong with America.

6 posted on 04/23/2013 5:05:17 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: yorkie

Yes, we should be getting ready


7 posted on 04/23/2013 5:06:00 PM PDT by Democrat_media (s tMary Landrieu voted for the UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: plain talk

You are wasting your time posting this as their are far to many FReepers more than ready to embrace the new police state. Don’t you know they have declared that those who see this as wrong are guilty of what Harry Reid calls (and they agree) “imagined tyranny”.

They must of had goose bumps when N.Y. Mayor Michael Bloomberg declared today: “Constitution ‘must change’ to give government more power.


8 posted on 04/23/2013 5:09:01 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: plain talk

I’d make national news if they did that to me !


9 posted on 04/23/2013 5:09:39 PM PDT by Renegade
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Opportunistic drills?


10 posted on 04/23/2013 5:10:41 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Democrat_media

“We” ARE getting ready. Try to buy ammo lately ?


11 posted on 04/23/2013 5:10:50 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: Christie at the beach

You will soon hear cries of their was no other way. It seems that all these law enforcement agencies, with all their training, expertise, experience and knowledge and all that they could come up with was a plan that required them to break their first oath and duty: “To defend and support the Constitution of the United States of America’.


12 posted on 04/23/2013 5:12:40 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: plain talk
You know, suicide rates are way up in this country. A lot of people have given up hope and just want to find a way to get off stage, as it were. If the police were to raid the wrong house, they could easily find some despondent person mustering up a thin grin saying, "You just made my day."

At some point, the cops in black are going to be the new redcoats. I say the day is already here, but some folks still need convincing.

13 posted on 04/23/2013 5:12:45 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Christie at the beach
"What is wrong with America."

Sodomchusetts has elected and reelected traitors for years. And now the U.S. voters have elected and reelected a traitor into the White Hut.

14 posted on 04/23/2013 5:14:07 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Renegade

It is time the Statists, not us, fear for their lives.


15 posted on 04/23/2013 5:14:33 PM PDT by Jacquerie (How few were left who had seen the republic! - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: plain talk

This is from the British media. the U.S. media is the most evil entity on the planet even worse that other media in other countries


16 posted on 04/23/2013 5:17:19 PM PDT by Democrat_media (s tMary Landrieu voted for the UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: plain talk
But the authorities saw to it that Tamerlan Tsarnaev wasn't roughly treated, and that they didn't violate his rights, in spite of the warning the Russians gave us and in spite of him fitting the terrorist profile to a tee.

5 Americans paid for their gentle handling of that man with their lives.

17 posted on 04/23/2013 5:18:54 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Jacquerie

“It is time the Statists, not us, fear for their lives.”

Good point.


18 posted on 04/23/2013 5:20:27 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: yorkie

I think so too but there is a bright side. If it takes that many people to (not successfully) secure a small area, they are in trouble if they want to do this for real all over the country.


19 posted on 04/23/2013 5:26:31 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Christie at the beach
What is wrong with America.

Great question Christie, beats the living crap out of me too.

Saddest part is, there are a few "FReepers" who support it.

Read these threads:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3011135/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3011207/posts

20 posted on 04/23/2013 5:28:42 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: plain talk

The Marxist/fascist Obama/Napolitano government loves this stuff. Let no crisis go wasted. They are conditioning us to temporary suspensions of the constitution for our “safety and security.” And this while simultaneously conspiring to disarm us. No thanks! I’d rather be armed so I can defend my own home and family and keep the storm troopers out of my home, thankyouverymuch.

And there’s no end to it in sight. The Marxist/fascist government and their sicko sycophant media are now conditioning us to accept the “new norm” of random terrorist attacks and there’s “nothing we can do about it.”

B/S!! The first obvious thing that we can do about it is fire the incompetent, negligent, complicit fascist boob, Janet Napolitano! The second is to immediately clamp down a moratorium on immigration from or financial/military aid to any and all nations harboring or offering aid and comfort to our enemy, the known Islamic terrorist groups. Just obvious!

And while we’re at it, quit harassing innocent American citizens and concentrate instead on deporting the jihadists already in our midst!! You mean you might have to search a mosque for weapons and jihadi soldiers? My heart bleeds for these jihad enabling ah’s. The Muslim community had best start finding and rooting out these jihadi bastards that live and move freely in their unassimilated Muslim communities or they may very well suffer that oft expected backlash from an outraged American public that’s going to come down on them like a load of bricks. This is not Israel, this is not France or Great Britain. Americans are armed to the teeth and we’re not going to long put up with Islamic fanatics bombing our children!!


21 posted on 04/23/2013 5:30:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Carl Vehse

MA is a cess pit full of communists, socialists and big Govt fools along with being elitist yuppie types.

They came out holding signs saying they won and we’re all boston and how it’s over, er no it’s not and has not been for many years but these fools in that state think it’s a one off.

Letting cops or anyone into your home with no warrant and then these people saying it’s alright shows why many have no idea what our laws are and what the constitution is about and why it was written.


22 posted on 04/23/2013 5:33:32 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: plain talk

I watched the video, and after a few minutes I wondered why so many people were coming out of that house. Then-—— somewhere on the same web site I saw mention that the homeowner may have been the one to call the police to check the house. We’re all those people students? They all appeared to be the same age. I don’t think the home- owner lived there, but he must have have had his reasons for calling the police. It didn’t seem as tho the whole neighborhood was affected—— just that one house, and after it was found to be “OK”, they all left the neighborhood.


23 posted on 04/23/2013 5:34:01 PM PDT by Exit148
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To: Democrat_media
Yes,we should be getting are ready. There, fixed!
24 posted on 04/23/2013 5:34:13 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
At some point, the cops in black are going to be the new redcoats. I say the day is already here, but some folks still need convincing.

Spot on....what if when these new brown shirts would have confronted a home owner who was armed, then what?

What if those two ladies in L.A. were armed and shot back in self defense?

What if Jose Gurenna(sp?) opened fire?

Judging from recent posts here lately the "Conservatives" here on FR would stand by the new Gestapo Government.

25 posted on 04/23/2013 5:34:49 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: gwjack

Having watched many videos of the door-to-door sweeps, and believing they were unwarranted, can someone tell me how the national guard gets involved in a law enforcement matter. If I declined entry to NG, I can not see any arrest power within their mission.

Do they have an arrest power that I’m overlooking? How does posse comitatus figure in?


26 posted on 04/23/2013 5:35:39 PM PDT by gwjack (May God give America His richest blessings.)
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To: Democrat_media

Brit media yet again while our press corps sit in a room with Carney drooling over their messiah and never get answers because real questions don’t get asked.

You know little questions like why did Obama go to bed during the Libya attack and then off to Vegas, ?

You know that little act needs to be explained, imagine it.

Americans are fighting ofr their lives, they have risked their lives, they are waiting for the govt to help them and nothing comes because the COL in Chief went to bed as they fought and yet we have heard not a F=in thing


27 posted on 04/23/2013 5:35:55 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: plain talk

Here’s some more of the police response...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8&sns=fb

Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.


28 posted on 04/23/2013 5:36:26 PM PDT by EasySt (Time to build that gulch...)
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To: plain talk

The post-after-the-fact conclusion on many websites about how “One 19 yr old kid shut down a city of 7 million” is false premise. Can understand Constitutional issues, freedom issues but who wants to be out when city is under terror attack, bombs going off, cops being shot? And with scared trigger happy law enforcement who normally can’t hit what they are aiming at? In other words, the public supported police efforts. This wasn’t like a massive operation to investigate folks underwear drawers or confiscations. Reports of more possible bombs. What about WMD’s like gas? It was unknown how many suspects were involved, sure two bombers at marathon, then a report of another person fleeing on train to CT, report of several more trying to cross into Canada on NY border, report of roommates at 2 perps apt arrested, not to mention other possible cell members could unleash havoc as it’s obvious these two jocks didn’t do this alone, they were financed and pushed as sacrificial lambs to carry out this act. So a fluid dangerous situation that lasted several hours. Obviously the lock down couldn’t be maintained for long term.

Again in this situation best recourse in my opinion is for residents to sue after the fact, since such a tense situation, with obviously a panicked and NON MILITARY TRAINED police force. And if suspect is seen running into homes, police have authority to go inside and follow a fleeing perp so there’s a grey area for example if abandoned car left on one’s property or footprints leading around one’s house. What do you expect the law enforcement to do in that situation?

The other claim in many blogs on this was a test run for government crackdown.. Not discounting test runs like what happened at an IL university a few years ago in Gilman I believe the police have already been nationally militarized and were just frankly scared playing catch up to fluid events. Now we see the ineptness and clumsiness of the behemoth, anyone who heard the open comms from police scanner via internet in final standoff knows the FBI negotiator got lost in traffic, the one and only helicopter was running out of fuel, CNN reporter compromised scene and the press had to be cordoned off, all kinds of issues going on, hardly a tyrannical force bent on dominion. And after thousands of police the kid still gets away on foot, and is found hiding in a parked boat previously deemed secure.

In addition, the firefight the previous night with full auto fire was lots of spraying, raising concerns if this were police, which most likely it was after seeing the 2 Cali vehicles turned to swiss cheese with Dorner on the loose. Still unclear what firearms 2 jihad boys used. Apparently there were individuals in apts ducking down as bullets pierced their walls according to what I heard from grapevine. If anything a lesson for one’s city or town if terrorism occurs. There’s really no safety net in life, just be prepared and prepped as much as you can and adopt to the chaos, as more of these cult members will be rampaging. But in regards to something more nefarious like possible future gun confiscations, the resulting videos would be similar to what was seen in Fallejuh.


29 posted on 04/23/2013 5:36:28 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: plain talk

This is beyond frightening. Under what authority did these people lose their fourth amendment? Is this considered a “reasonable” search?


30 posted on 04/23/2013 5:37:40 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: jospehm20

Christopher Dorner demonstrated that.


31 posted on 04/23/2013 5:37:56 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: plain talk

I’m curious. How were the cops supposed to know there was ONLY one skinny killer running around?

Seems to me I recall a whole bunch of posts at the time involving rumors of more terrorists involved, even an entire sleeper cell.

Is it beyond reason for LEO to take into account the possibility that the fleeing suspect might retreat to a safe house where more of his buddies were laying in wait?

Also, if the terrorists has your wife and kids upstairs, would you tell the cops at the door he was hiding in your house, or would you tell them all was well in the (slim) hope your family might survive?


32 posted on 04/23/2013 5:38:12 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Democrat_media

In the video you posted, the news reporter referred to raiding houses and forcing people out as “rescuing a family at the point of a gun”.

“Rescuing a family”? Really?


33 posted on 04/23/2013 5:44:24 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Renegade

“We” ARE getting ready. Try to buy ammo lately ?”

Bought some today and try to do so weekly. .22LR is a bit difficult to find these days, but I have enough for myself and 5 friends, should the need arise.


34 posted on 04/23/2013 5:45:04 PM PDT by Bshaw (,A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Carl Vehse

“...Sodomchusetts has elected and reelected traitors for years....”

And that they have! Yet, they have the audacity to cheer, “USA, USA, USA” as well as cheer on their storm trooper overlords. The irony is astounding. Only a Masshole could be THAT stupid.


35 posted on 04/23/2013 5:45:12 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Sherman Logan

They announced they were looking for 2 terrorists and then got into a gunfight with them while one of them ran over his brother and drove away. So they WERE looking for one skinny kid they saw. Thats not up for debate. Then ... they had thousands of police. I am quite confident they could have handled a few more terrorists.

In that video when they knocked on the door and the guy came out with his hands up they could see he wasn’t the terrorist yet as soon as the guy lowered his hands they forced him to raise them again.

My question is how in the hell did the kid get away in a car with all those police around and not be immediately apprehended. It is almost as if the police and FBI were embarrassed he got away and took it out on the citizens.


36 posted on 04/23/2013 5:47:07 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

The United States is filled to overflowing with small, unimaginative, and ineffectual men and women who need to act out their fears and insecurities with some sort of government badge - TSA, DHS, SWAT, you name it.

In a sane world, these characters would be restrained by the government.

Alas, it is most certainly NOT a sane world, and the Leftist government currently in power, rather than restrain them, now harnesses the aforementioned dolts to harass the people.

But, then ‘small, unimaginative and ineffectual’ characterizes president hussein, as well, and birds of a feather....


37 posted on 04/23/2013 5:48:39 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Sherman Logan

Holy freaking mackerel, why am I not surprised you would show up a defend this abuse of the Constitution?

Got yer shoe polish handy, don’t forget to spit shine.


38 posted on 04/23/2013 5:48:57 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: plain talk

A single 20 kiloton nuke, one neighborhood, the terrorist is gone ~ no doubt you had something like that in mind.


39 posted on 04/23/2013 5:50:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sherman Logan

What about the rule of law?

What if they decided to increase their search perimeter by a few miles, by a hundred, by whatever it took to get to your neighborhood?

Would you be so understanding?


40 posted on 04/23/2013 5:52:58 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: plain talk

I do not intend to attempt a defense of all police actions that night.

I just think it is silly to expect the cops to know then what we know now.


41 posted on 04/23/2013 5:53:06 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Christie at the beach
you can let the cops in if you want ~ your privilege. plus, they only need a warrant for an unreasonable search, and even then they need probable cause.

BTW, once the cops left that house they didn't go to any other houses, nor did they shoot people who'd resisted.

That was a manhunt, not a police state action.

I lived near a prison for many years. happy to let the cops catch them if they get on or near my property. no warrant needed. Then there was the bear who came into my yard and scooped up my onions ~

42 posted on 04/23/2013 5:53:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Las Vegas Ron

hello officer, , what do you want, oh for us to leave our house while you come in and search it , oh yea OK no problem.

Only in the socialist cess pit of MA would they do this and then come out and cheer at the end saying we’re all Boston and we won.

I hate that state more than any other after living there, that city supported terrorism for decades in the IRA, they sent money , invited them over, supported their bombing on innocent children etc and now they got to see what they supported sadly.

Shame most of them do not stay up in their state and understand America is not MA , instead they move on mass like the locusts they are and then destroy other states


43 posted on 04/23/2013 5:53:38 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: skeeter

over 250 were wounded.


44 posted on 04/23/2013 5:54:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Exit148

Look at the video in post 4. This was being done to more than one house. All these families were being “rescued” dontchaknow.


45 posted on 04/23/2013 5:55:09 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Renegade

Yes. Shelves are bare.


46 posted on 04/23/2013 5:56:24 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: plain talk

I love how they push them out on the streets they claim are unsafe.


47 posted on 04/23/2013 5:57:25 PM PDT by CONSERVE
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To: plain talk
The only thing missing is the LEO's screaming

"Hande HO!"

"RRRRRouse mit du!"

and

"Snell! Snell! Snell!"

to make this one of the news reels from Europe in the 30's and 40's.

48 posted on 04/23/2013 5:57:45 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: plain talk

“Exigent circumstances?” Nope—a dishonest excuse for the Mafia to act on “hyperbolic BS” orders from sneaky, hysterical plutocrats. They’re in a panic, thinking that the political parties in their pockets have failed them and that all of the “zombies” economically below them are always about to attack. Guilt makes mob bosses act out in strange ways. Guilty as hell can make them downright ugly. VIP constituents shouldn’t be having their thugs violate the rights of their neighbors. They should start living right and get some sleep.


49 posted on 04/23/2013 5:59:07 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Kartographer

Right. Police have conducted manhunts all during my lifetime. Never had to do anything like this to get the job done.

Coure it all got started with the war on drugs. Cops not needing to worry about those “constitutional niceties” like the 4th amendment etc.


50 posted on 04/23/2013 6:02:29 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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