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Glenn Beck conspiracy theory: What's his evidence?
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 4/24/2013 | Peter Grier

Posted on 04/24/2013 4:13:13 PM PDT by iowamark

Glenn Beck has spent lots of time in recent days alleging that the Boston Marathon bombing was carried out by a conspiracy that revolved around a shadowy Saudi national questioned by police in a Boston hospital in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy.

OK, is he just winging it here, or does the ex-Fox, now-independent radio and Internet video host have any real evidence for this charge?

He says he does, unsurprisingly. On his show Wednesday morning Mr. Beck produced a document that he claimed is an official US “event report” showing that the Saudi in question is a bad, bad man who was on a no-fly list and already subject to visa revocation.

What he didn’t mention is that Fox News reporter Bret Baier has already looked into this whole alleged Saudi conspiracy, including the document Beck deemed so revealing, and concluded that there was no there there, to paraphrase writer Gertrude Stein’s jibe about Oakland.

It’s “false and misleading” to use the internal document on the Saudi’s immigration status as evidence of the man’s involvement in the bombings, according to US officials quoted by Mr. Baier in a Fox video blog on April 23.

“The FBI says the Saudi [in question] was just a victim of the terrorist attack,” said Baier...

But Bret Baier had this piece of paper already. On Tuesday, he talked with US officials about it, and got a different story.

First off, Baier said the wording of the paper was indeed somewhat dire.

“Anyone looking at this would say this is a bad guy, this means they had a lot of stuff on this guy,” he said.

But officials told him it was simply an automatic piece of customs paperwork triggered when police went to question the Saudi in the hours after the bombing...

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To: Conscience of a Conservative
Burned hands would have been a unique injury and since he was supposedly detained by a citizen, a cause for investigation and then a public explanation.

We've been fed some lame partial explanations, but nothing complete that makes any sense.

51 posted on 04/24/2013 4:54:10 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Son-Joshua

The Won prays to nobody but himself.


52 posted on 04/24/2013 4:54:58 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: TigersEye

That is hysterical really!

This admin is banking of the stupid lazy people stay that way. This story is not exactly the easiest to follow, there are alot of layers and info to digest. Having said that, the way I understood it, the 212 3 B has nothing at all to do with the no fly list, two different animals.

They already had a file on this kid and a prior event/incident. That file is the one that was amended, which apparently is NOT an easy thing to accomplish.


53 posted on 04/24/2013 4:55:48 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: woofer2425

Last I heard the Saudi owned 7% of fox


54 posted on 04/24/2013 4:57:02 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: struggle

Bravo FRiend! I am sure you are right. I I have been reading this site a lot over the last 9 days but have not seen anyone come up with that yet and do believe that you are correct.
For some reason it doesn’t come out and just smack me in the face but once I read it, I knew you were right. That boy is too pretty to get his hands dirty....but they did get burned.


55 posted on 04/24/2013 4:58:14 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

You do understand that when a person has a 212 3B that the Secret Service cannot allow her to visit him. So, who cleared it for her to do that?


56 posted on 04/24/2013 4:58:21 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: iowamark

Despite the suspicious White House visits and the deport/ don’t deport reports and the fact this guy was at the marathon there has been ZERO actual evidence presented that tie him to the bombings.

Almost everything we have heard is easily explained by Occam:

He is Saudi royalty. Obama licks those boots. The Saudis wanted hm out of the spotlight. Obama tried to comply and failed.


57 posted on 04/24/2013 4:58:49 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (a)
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To: svcw

Look for yourself and answer your own question.


58 posted on 04/24/2013 4:59:28 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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59 posted on 04/24/2013 5:03:21 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44
You do understand that when a person has a 212 3B that the Secret Service cannot allow her to visit him. So, who cleared it for her to do that?

According to the linked report, at least, the process to clear the 212 3B (and the no-fly list designation) started once the feds spoke to the guy and he was no longer considered a person of interest in the bombing.

60 posted on 04/24/2013 5:04:37 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: AllAmericanGirl44
Having said that, the way I understood it, the 212 3 B has nothing at all to do with the no fly list, two different animals.

I'm not certain but that's the impression I got too. Beck has emphatically said that it's very hard to be put on 212 3b status. That it takes a sign off by multiple agencies to apply it and a sign off of multiple agencies to amend it. It wouldn't happen either way overnight.

Beck also says he has documentation of who tried to alter Alharbi's file. Baier says he spoke to a number of highly placed officials. But did he speak with the right highly placed officials? We shall see.

61 posted on 04/24/2013 5:07:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

I’m so very sorry to tell you this, but to get a real understanding of all the mechanics of this story, you would have to go listen to Beck’s broadcasts or go read it over at the blaze. It is not a simple matter of just saying, oh, he’s not a threat - the point is that there was already a file on him, before the marathon happened. That file was altered.

They already knew who he was before he ever got to the hospital. The records were altered, that is story, in part.


62 posted on 04/24/2013 5:10:07 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

The other patients were just a cover so that she could go see this guy, I am sure. Unfortunately, the media is so in the tank that the American people have not even begun to hear the truth yet.


63 posted on 04/24/2013 5:10:09 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: TigersEye

Yep, to get that 212 3B takes the entire panel of agencies and no way does that happen fast, and not an easy thing to get to begin with.

The little cretin had a file already with a ‘prior event’ noted. I’m sad that Bret is missing the boat and playing follow the leader on this, I had a higher regard for him that this.


64 posted on 04/24/2013 5:13:11 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
No, the report (and the current Napolitano position) is that he got the 212 3b/no fly list status when he was put in the hospital and it was removed a few days later. Which would have been after the 1st Wookie visit.
65 posted on 04/24/2013 5:13:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: iowamark
Glenn Beck has spent lots of time in recent days alleging that the Boston Marathon bombing was carried out by a conspiracy that revolved around a shadowy Saudi national questioned by police in a Boston hospital in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy.

Sorry, Peter Grier and Christian Science Monitor, but either you lie or you've made a grave misstatement.

Beck has been VERY clear that he believes the Boston bombing was carried out by the Tsarnaev brothers.

When you lead off an article attempting to discredit someone by misleading (or lying) in your very first paragraph, I'm not interested in what you're selling.

I have no idea if Beck is really on to something that will lead to an irrefutable conclusion, or force people to be accountable.

I do know that he's looking more credible than you are at the moment.

66 posted on 04/24/2013 5:14:13 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: lonevoice

The Christian Science Monitor has always been a liberal propaganda rag.


67 posted on 04/24/2013 5:16:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: maggief
April 17. both the federal court house and the hospital were evacuated due to bomb threats.
68 posted on 04/24/2013 5:17:54 PM PDT by wtd
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Yes, that’s what Glenn has. At the very least, this is an order to deport him.
Are you playing devils advocate or being willfully blind? I always knew the government monitored this site and used sock puppet saboteurs to try to throw us off track.


69 posted on 04/24/2013 5:19:21 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: iowamark

The fact that Moochelle beat a path to the hospital is of paramount importance.

Why in the name of hell would the FLOTUS go see some lowly student in hospital?

That alone speaks volumes.


70 posted on 04/24/2013 5:20:03 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslymz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: lonevoice

Thank you for making that clear, I was stunned that it started that way as I understood that Beck never said the kid was involved/behind the marathon bombing.

Just the way they roll right? Muddy up the truth and send people scamping in all different directions and stay off the trail of the truth.


71 posted on 04/24/2013 5:23:08 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: iowamark

Grier and Baier vs. Beck? I’ll take Beck every day. I’ll take Hannity over Grier and Baier. WHAT HAVE grier and baier GIVEN US? Who the 7734 is grier ANYWAY? SOME nobody who NOBODY ever heard of throwing his support behind line-reader Baier? What a joke. A nobody covering for a line-reader.

HOORAY Glenn Beck! Glenn Beck is OUTSTANDING!


72 posted on 04/24/2013 5:23:16 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: svcw

The reason for deportation. The government says that the visa expired when in fact it is valid until 2016. The article and “journalists” are lying and covering for this lie. Just like Bengazi and the YouTube video.


73 posted on 04/24/2013 5:25:08 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: maggief

On April 17 there was also an evacuation at Brigham and Women’s Hospital where Al Alharbi was hospitalized. It was close to the same time as the Courthouse bomb scare. Reportedly, the evacuation was prompted by the discovery of a locked, unattended van containing barrels.

I wondered at the time if this was how they got Al Alharbi out of the hospital when all the media had been hanging around. It won’t be surprising to learn that he is back in Saudi Arabia. They will say they weren’t lying when they said he wasn’t deported, because he just wanted to go home and left voluntarily.


74 posted on 04/24/2013 5:27:34 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: FewsOrange

Absence of evidence is evidence of the proof of the crime itself. They’re that good. Just ask.


75 posted on 04/24/2013 5:30:46 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: iowamark
"The Saudi national, identified as Abdul Rahman Ali Alharbi, was set to be deported for terrorist activity under section 212, 3B..

If he was performing "terrorist activity", why not arrest him? Why would we deport someone if they have performed terrorist activities? Makes no sense.

76 posted on 04/24/2013 5:31:26 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: iowamark

I listened to BECK and he was not populating any theory, he was just presenting a set of FACTS and asking the Administration to explain what the FACTS mean.

The conspiracy THEORY is that the Administration is on the up and up. They have been trapped in a series of lies. They are CONSPIRING to deceive the public about something. What exactly are they hiding and why are they lying?


77 posted on 04/24/2013 5:33:32 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Yeah! After one conversation..lol. I will say, your not the only one here on the payroll.


78 posted on 04/24/2013 5:36:32 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

it seems to me that Brett is unhappy about this as well...

I think his blog- where he keeps repeating “DHS says....”

“DHS says”

“DHS says”

his way of saying “DHS is lying.”

the most he may be able to do openly at the moment...I hope I am right..I hope he is working behind the scenes to make this right.....

if not— won’t be the first time I have been disappointed in someone not having the spine or integrity I thought they did....


79 posted on 04/24/2013 5:37:08 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE thatEARTH....Archimedes)
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To: lonevoice; wtd

The Boston Globe @BostonGlobe

Federal courthouse evacuated; hundreds outside. People are being pushed back from building. Coast Guard and police boats in water.
2:12 PM - 17 Apr 2013

MT @globejenpeter: Federal court house and Brigham & Women’s hospital are being evacuated, sourced to people who were evacuated. #marathon
2:08 PM - 17 Apr 2013

????????????????????????????????

Important addition to the time line.

How does that fit with MO’s visit?


80 posted on 04/24/2013 5:37:17 PM PDT by maggief
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To: FewsOrange

Isn’t Beck the one who made fun of Sheriff Joe and those who questioned the eligibility of the current pResident who has spent millions to cover up his past?


81 posted on 04/24/2013 5:40:12 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: eeevil conservative

Valid point, and if so, then he best figure out how to find the truth and not keep playing along. I thought he was a Marine for goodness sake!


82 posted on 04/24/2013 5:41:30 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: svcw

He did have evidence today!


83 posted on 04/24/2013 5:42:32 PM PDT by Cricket24 (Sick of spineless Republicans!)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

Well— he is in my prayers! and many others....

He can do ALL THINGS! AMEN!


84 posted on 04/24/2013 5:44:30 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE thatEARTH....Archimedes)
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To: NoGrayZone
That Saudi purchased just over a majority of Fox. Hence it’s now left turn.

Where did you get this idea? Are you just making stuff up?

A Saudi named Al Waleed owns 7% of News Corp. Seven percent. News Corp owns Fox News. There is no Saudi that "purchased just over a majority of Fox".

85 posted on 04/24/2013 5:52:14 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

‘Officials’ are lying and layering their lies now. Amd poor Bret is just repeating what he’s told to say. To his thin credit, he at least qualifies the data he’s presenting as ‘officials say’. But we know because we have the video that ‘officials’ lie all the time and they are lying to the American people now, probably in service to what they have been ordered to do in service to the Saudi masters. The enemy is running fedzilla!


86 posted on 04/24/2013 5:54:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: chris37

He has uncovered his liberal side often


87 posted on 04/24/2013 5:55:11 PM PDT by CONSERVE
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To: eeevil conservative

Amen :)
I too pray for those who are willing to stand strong and fight the evil. By default, Bret IS in my prayers.

I simply can’t imagine sitting back and letting this story get spun by those who want to cause so much damage, and I believe Bret knows this as well. So, having said that, I am a bit dismayed that the angle of painting this as a non story and another attempt to pile on Beck, just utterly disgusting!

A 212 3B is a BIG deal and not easy to have one attached to you. That is the heart of the story and I’m frustrated that the big point is being missed. Sigh


88 posted on 04/24/2013 6:07:54 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
I'll ask again - what would him having burned hands even prove?

Well then....how many of the 190 or so victims also had burt hands.....?

89 posted on 04/24/2013 6:14:57 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: maggief

I had not caught they evacuated the hospital same time as the courthouse. What if they were really going to take him to the courthouse and book him. Could his picture be the one that was shown to the CNN reporter? The dark skinned man. This would explain all the arrest stories and why so many people were pissed and went to Glenn . Can you imagine the outrage.

Just a theory


90 posted on 04/24/2013 6:30:55 PM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

You’re not alone AA44! I have to say that I am NOT a fan of Glenn’s dramatics but he has FACTS on his side, as usual. The important thing to remember is that there’s always going to be about 52 percent of the people that want to hide this BS from us. We are fighting an uphill battle and need strong warriors to take it to the government and not be afraid of them.


91 posted on 04/24/2013 6:36:40 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

The number one issue right no ow should be that this guy had a event file already, before the attack. And that he was still allowed to walk free and attend the marathon, especially with all those DHS, FBI, cops aware of it. They had to know. That’s the key.


92 posted on 04/24/2013 6:40:24 PM PDT by Deathtomarxists (collapse death heartburn heartache dingdongs diaherea)
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To: iowamark

How many Arabs own part of Beck’s information channel? How many Arabs own a part of FNC?


93 posted on 04/24/2013 6:48:28 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: woofer2425

Yes, FNC parent co. NewsCorp part owned by Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal

Alwaleed was the one who blamed Jews for 9/11.....which infuriated then NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani that he gave back Alwaleeds’ $10 million dollar donation to 9/11 fund


94 posted on 04/24/2013 7:06:22 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: tiki
"Just tell me why a Saudi student was visiting the White House and why Michelle visited him."

And, WHY was he in the hospital???

95 posted on 04/24/2013 7:20:31 PM PDT by jackibutterfly (Life is short. Smile while you still have teeth. :-))
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

No but it was said he was being deported asap. I think Beck is going to announce tomorrow where he is and Beck said “You aren’t going to like it”. I took that to mean back in Saudi Arabia. But who knows.

My guess is this guy is some kind of double agent or triple agent. There definitely is a national security cloud over him. Maybe it’s because he was involved and Obama is covering up, maybe he was supposed to be on our side but got caught up in this, maybe he turned sides. Something along these lines happened.


96 posted on 04/24/2013 7:39:20 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: jackibutterfly

They said his hands were burnt in the blast.


97 posted on 04/24/2013 7:40:04 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: jackibutterfly

You really have to watch Beck’s videos to grab the entire story. He has never once, mentioned the Tsarnaevs. Al Harbi had a 212 3B opened on him for this incident. It listed on page 2 that he was “armed and dangerous”. It was also discovered that he was on a “no fly list” because he had another 212 3 B on file. In spite of this fact, he entered this country on a Special Visa usually reserved for VIP’s, therefore was not vetted properly. All Saudis, until January 2013 had to be vetted, but the Obama administration lifted that. Al Harbi’s visa states he is attending Findlay College in Ohio. Beck stated he spoke with the school, and he never showed. In spite of all this, his status was altered. Beck also stated that any altering of these files results in an email telling the author who accessed the file. He says he has the email of the person who accessed the file TWICE. Is that enough or should I keep going?


98 posted on 04/24/2013 7:42:48 PM PDT by cumbo78
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To: Paladin2

Explain the Saudi’s burned hands. I have yet to hear ANY explanation of same.
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Photo’s of Saudi suspect with Wookie#1 show no evidence of burns to the hands , no bandages , no discoloration , no salve, no IV drip .. his hands look like NORMAL hands .. and he is seen using his hands for normal functions that would be VERY painful if he was burned.


99 posted on 04/24/2013 8:10:20 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: FewsOrange
For people who read and listen carefully, this CS Monitor article belongs to a familiar genre: the "nothing to see here" article that masquerades as objective fact-checking while simultaneously either negligently or intentionally misstating the relevant facts.

I don't personally know whether what Glen has been saying is true, or whether what Bret has been saying is true, or both, or neither. (The words of both men could be true at the same time, if Bret's sources are just part of a cover-up. After all, Bret does not re-state and personally stand behind his sources' claims as Glen does, Bret only reports the claims of his sources--though he does say the sources are believed to be credible.)

What I do know is that this article, and apparently this CS Monitor reporter, cannot be trusted. The reporter either does not know what Glen has actually said (and when), and what Bret actually said, and is just writing what he was told to write, or he is intentionally getting the facts wrong. Both what Glen has been saying and what Bret said in his video blog are falsely represented and seriously mischaracterized in the article.

Don't take my word for it. Watch or read what Glen has said. Watch Bret's video blog. Read the CS Monitor article. You can see it for yourself. It is not that hard.

100 posted on 04/24/2013 8:26:51 PM PDT by Joachim
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