Skip to comments.Did Holder Initiate the Legal Process For Boston Bomber To Shut-up And Lawyer-Up?
Posted on 04/25/2013 9:18:20 PM PDT by Nachum
FBI was shocked when a Judge came into the hospital room to Mirandize the Boston bomber. Megyn Kelly does an impressive job explaining the chain of events and the implications. [...] Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was caught alive but wounded on Friday and charged with use of a weapon of mass destruction, for which he could get the death penalty. The FBI filed a federal criminal complaint against the 19-year-old on Sunday, and federal District Court Judge Marianne Bowler arrived at the hospital where he is being treated to preside over his initial hearing Monday, when she read him his Miranda rights.
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muslims are holder’s people, too.
The judge should have been arrested on the spot for obstruction of justice.
I know this is not the popular opinion here but he should have been read his Miranda rights from the git-go. He may be a dirbag terrorist, but he is a US citizen and must be afforded due process. If they can pull this crap on him they can pull it on any of us.
Or it’s just anyone who hates this country...
Nobody is shocked any more by this behavior from The Prince and Holder. Here’s what’s disturbing to me, and this applies to Benghazi and Fast & Furious as well: Are there no...NO...honest, high level career civil servants, especially in DoJ, people who have spent decades prosecuting the worst criminals and defending the Constitution, who will stand up for the truth?
Why do we keep trying terrorist in the crimnal court system?
All this talk about the scumbag.
Question needs to be asked: Is he interviewed for information? or Is he interviewed for his prosecution?
If they’re just trying to get info for other attacks/coconspirators, then have at it. But what do we do with him, when they’re done? He can’t be extradited.
If they’re trying to get info for prosecution, they’re done either way. If they interviewed him under the influence of any type of pain medication, then his defense will argue just that, he was under the influence and had no idea what he was saying.
If he wasn’t on pain meds, then they’ll argue that he was denied medical treatment and felt coerced....blah blah blah blah.
I’m all for sticking two spikes in his legs and connecting them to an electrical supply, like Brian Mills did to the Armenian in Taken.
But, as much as we would like it, we can’t have it both ways.
Is he a citizen? I thought he was still on a visa of some sort.
There was much discussion over whether he should be considered an “enemy combatant” and therefore not required to be ‘Miranda’d”.
If Djirtbag took the following oath with reservations, did he become a citizen?
Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
He got his citizenship on 11 Sept 2012. He is a US citizen. I hate this azzhole with all my being, but he must be afforded due process. Again, if they can pull this crap on him, what will stop them from doing to any of us? We either stand for the Constitution 100% of the time or we don’t. You choose. I’ve already made my choice.
He became a citizen on the day of 9/11/12 and that night his brother (speed bump)’s best friend was mysteriously murdered in Waltham MA along with two other not so upstanding folks. The method?..Throat slashing...coincidink? nah....
Likely as not, he’ll be given a plea bargain,
there will be no trial, no open questioning,
The whole thing will be considered closed.
And whatever version the government wants will be the one
that goes into the official histories.
(Think: Sirhan, Ray, Oswald, Benghazi, Fast and Furious,
“He became a citizen on the day of 9/11/12 and that night his brother (speed bump)s best friend was mysteriously murdered in Waltham MA along with two other not so upstanding folks. The method?..Throat slashing...coincidink? nah....”
The three victims were all Jewish. (Irrelevant, of course...sarc/off)
Prove that he didn’t. You can’t, and there is the problem. This sucks no matter how you slice it. He is a dirtbag murdering terrorist who also happens to be a citizen. What happens to any of us if the govt suddenly decides to classify us as terrorists? Are you gonna give up your rights because you thought it was ok for this clown to not be afforded his?
If he was declared an enemy combatant, and such determination was upheld by a hearing, he could have been tried in a military tribunal. Due processes without a Miranda warning. Even then he still could have been sent to criminal court had the Feds so chosen.
Instead, Obama chose the direct route to stopping intelligence gathering and a fast track to the slow road of endless legal rangling and appeals.
Flashback to his Gitmo days?
The conspiracy theory I have is that the judge was sent in to get him to stop talking in the event that he knew information about the Saudi Student, his activities regarding terrorism and its funding if any, and possible direct ties between the student and the White House.
This guy will end up doing some time and then he’ll be out....now it may take some time..but he’s going to walk on our streets again.
Where was she when the SWAT teams were invading homes and kicking people out of their domiciles???
I heard a former DoJ prosecter from Bush's term explaining the legality of this on Saturday night and he was saying how there was a way to consider him an "enemy combatant" but the administration would certainly not use it.
So- he fully expected the man to be Miranda'd and for him to do exactly what he just did: clam up. And- it went down EXACTLY as he said it would. Not sure it is as cut and dry as you seem to think it is. There are circumstances that when public safety is immediately threatened, the Miranda laws do not apply. I forget the exact term for it.
So, for instance, if the bomber had friends that were conducting more life threatening actions- like bombing trains in Canada to the U.S., we theoretically had every right NOT to Miranda him due to the clear and present danger. Now that we have, he can do more damage, simply by saying nothing.
Absolutely right! While I don't like the easy process by which Tsarnaev became an American citizen, the fact is that he is a naturalized citizen and is therefore entitled to every right thereunto pertaining until he is convicted of the crimes for which he is charged.
Wrongo Bongo. He is a freaking terrorist and was afforded all health care rights as a US citizen but the public exemption act was in place and this beyotch had him awakened so he could be “mirandized”. You can’t be questioned in a48 hour period if you are unconscious due to administered drugs.
So your ok with US citizens being declared enemy combatants?
I’m not. Where is that line drawn? Where does it stop? There is no set criteria for classifing someone an enemy combatant.
(Waving hand excitedly.) Exigent circumstances!
Well, any reference to previous FBI interviews or watch lists will be quickly ruled “prejudicial” and completely excluded. All pre-bombing government incompetence will be excluded. One million people ordered to shelter in place (martial law), that will be prejudicial too. CYA is looking ok all around -that’s what’s really important, that we get back to the “appearance” of security as soon as possible.
If the defense can call Mom then she’ll act crazy on que on the stand too garner sympathy for her son, with a Mom like that how couldn’t you be screwed up, right? Don’t discount it.
Finally, women are already saying he’s cute. He only needs one digbat social media obsessed dimwit broad to hang the jury.
In short, a fiasco.
you know what FBI stands for? Famous But Incompetent.
This guys is doing time. No doubt. Especially with the show that was put on. But, there just seems to be some really weird things going on, to me at least. All the misinformation about how they were armed. He had a gun in the boat, then he didn’t.
But, you’re idea on that Saudi is definitely something to look into. Too bad it never will. Now they’re trying to tear Beck apart about it.
I agree..almost...though I think even with a trial..he’ll be out walking our streets again.
This POS is no more an American than Obama is. They’re all traitors.
I’d love to strap Patreus, Ham and many many others into a chair and ask them where their loyalty lies and when they gave up. Especially Patreus.
You’d think someone, would have some nuts and do the right thing. But, I guess their pensions, board of director positions and whatever else they do in retirement are worth more than honoring the oath they took.
Oh, they will try all the tricks to slow it up and reduce his sentence, but this guy is looking at Murder one, times a zillion.
However, they do have goodies they can offer him to get him to rat out his friends. The problem is that it takes time, and we do not have time while we are being attacked.
I think the intervention of a judge who had no business butting herself into a heavy investigation like this one gives Becks a lot of credibility now, in light of the fact that Joker clammed up. The left had some leverage in laughing at Beck, but that is gone now and Beck needs to take it and run with it for months.
Sounds good. Not sure that was the one he used though.
I've heard a few more. Some unprintable.
If only this dirtbag terrorist wasn’t citizenized under false pretenses I’d have to agree.
I’m going out on a limb and saying that he probably doesn’t know much. Just following big brother.
Naturalization can be revoked.
Interrogation for information should have been completed before miranda. The information gathered would not be needed in prosecution.
He is on video planting a bomb that killed and maimed, threw bombs at cops, left bombs all over the neighborhood, etc. That’s more than enough to get him a death sentence or three.
Would be interesting to know more about this judge’s background.
If he does time rather than swinging don’t be surprised when there is a lethal incident in prison.
"Adding to the shock: the sources told Kelly agents were getting crucial information after only 16 hours of questioning and were making valuable progress."
Breaking Report: FBI Was Shocked to See Judge Waltz in and Give Tsarnaev Miranda Rights
The part about the judge going to the hospital room had me, but the Napalitano said that does happen so that the presiding judge will know the suspect was read his rights.
I still don't like it myself. The little creep should be treated as an enemy combatant, and I do feel that this order to Mirandize him came from high up, probably Holder. The wheels of justice turn slow. Maybe more information can be dragged out of the perp that will lead to other terrorist cells, but I think that info died with his brother, who seemed to be more the mastermind behind all this.
Time will tell.
More than likely.
there is not one of us who a judge would come and visit us in the hospital to read us our rights.....we’d be in jail immediately...
No. Not if they want to remain on the public's payroll.
And, getting a job in the private sector is . . . . . . well . . . . . . . too much like work!
As for the overwhelming evidence against Tsarnaev, we have a Constitutional process for presenting that evidence at trial. It works for all of us or it doesn't work at all.
We should guard against selective protection of citizens' rights, and we must ensure that they apply to the worst and most hated criminal defendants. Who's to say that Christians won't be the most despised people in America in a few more years?
"Boston Bomber Magistrates Middle Eastern Connections"
Possible...criminals seem to have their own court of justice regarless of what they’re charged with in the legal courts. They do seem to get those who have k*lle* many though.
Tsarnaev is an American citizen arrested and charged with committing a crime on American soil. For a similar act, Timothy McVeigh was tried, convicted and executed without his Constitutional rights being ignored. Tsarnaev deserves the same treatment, and if convicted, the same punishment.
Let's fast forward to a time in which your beliefs and way of life place you outside the law, even in Florida... Will you then possess the rights of an American citizen, or might a bureaucrat popularly label you as an "enemy combatant?"
Not only have US Citizens been declared enemy combatants, they’ve been executed for it. 71 years ago!
On the other hand, continued interrogation could have yielded more useful information about others involved, including connections to people in or close to the regime--which is why the judge was sent in to shut him up by reminding him to "remain silent."