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Did Holder Initiate the Legal Process For Boston Bomber To Shut-up And Lawyer-Up?
Gateway Pundit ^ | 4/25/13 | Mara Zebest

Posted on 04/25/2013 9:18:20 PM PDT by Nachum

FBI was shocked when a Judge came into the hospital room to Mirandize the Boston bomber. Megyn Kelly does an impressive job explaining the chain of events and the implications. [...] Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was caught alive but wounded on Friday and charged with use of a weapon of mass destruction, for which he could get the death penalty. The FBI filed a federal criminal complaint against the 19-year-old on Sunday, and federal District Court Judge Marianne Bowler arrived at the hospital where he is being treated to preside over his initial hearing Monday, when she read him his Miranda rights.

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1 posted on 04/25/2013 9:18:20 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Bump


2 posted on 04/25/2013 9:18:50 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Nachum

muslims are holder’s people, too.


3 posted on 04/25/2013 9:21:54 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: Nachum

The judge should have been arrested on the spot for obstruction of justice.


4 posted on 04/25/2013 9:23:00 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Nachum

I know this is not the popular opinion here but he should have been read his Miranda rights from the git-go. He may be a dirbag terrorist, but he is a US citizen and must be afforded due process. If they can pull this crap on him they can pull it on any of us.


5 posted on 04/25/2013 9:23:08 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: freedumb2003

Or it’s just anyone who hates this country...


6 posted on 04/25/2013 9:23:08 PM PDT by GOPJ (The screed of so-called journalists: 'If it doesn't fit, you must omit.' - - freeper Vigilanteman)
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To: Nachum

Nobody is shocked any more by this behavior from The Prince and Holder. Here’s what’s disturbing to me, and this applies to Benghazi and Fast & Furious as well: Are there no...NO...honest, high level career civil servants, especially in DoJ, people who have spent decades prosecuting the worst criminals and defending the Constitution, who will stand up for the truth?


7 posted on 04/25/2013 9:24:48 PM PDT by clintonh8r ("Europe was created by history. America was created by a philosophy." Baroness Thatcher)
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To: Nachum

Why do we keep trying terrorist in the crimnal court system?


8 posted on 04/25/2013 9:25:29 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: Nachum

All this talk about the scumbag.

Question needs to be asked: Is he interviewed for information? or Is he interviewed for his prosecution?

If they’re just trying to get info for other attacks/coconspirators, then have at it. But what do we do with him, when they’re done? He can’t be extradited.

If they’re trying to get info for prosecution, they’re done either way. If they interviewed him under the influence of any type of pain medication, then his defense will argue just that, he was under the influence and had no idea what he was saying.
If he wasn’t on pain meds, then they’ll argue that he was denied medical treatment and felt coerced....blah blah blah blah.

I’m all for sticking two spikes in his legs and connecting them to an electrical supply, like Brian Mills did to the Armenian in Taken.

But, as much as we would like it, we can’t have it both ways.


9 posted on 04/25/2013 9:25:56 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: sean327

Is he a citizen? I thought he was still on a visa of some sort.

There was much discussion over whether he should be considered an “enemy combatant” and therefore not required to be ‘Miranda’d”.


10 posted on 04/25/2013 9:26:12 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: sean327
but he is a US citizen and must be afforded due process.

If Djirtbag took the following oath with reservations, did he become a citizen?

Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

11 posted on 04/25/2013 9:30:44 PM PDT by gasport (I ain't got no guns.)
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To: Nachum

He got his citizenship on 11 Sept 2012. He is a US citizen. I hate this azzhole with all my being, but he must be afforded due process. Again, if they can pull this crap on him, what will stop them from doing to any of us? We either stand for the Constitution 100% of the time or we don’t. You choose. I’ve already made my choice.


12 posted on 04/25/2013 9:31:13 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Nachum

He became a citizen on the day of 9/11/12 and that night his brother (speed bump)’s best friend was mysteriously murdered in Waltham MA along with two other not so upstanding folks. The method?..Throat slashing...coincidink? nah....


13 posted on 04/25/2013 9:33:22 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: sean327

Likely as not, he’ll be given a plea bargain,
there will be no trial, no open questioning,
no cross-examination.

The whole thing will be considered closed.

And whatever version the government wants will be the one
that goes into the official histories.

(Think: Sirhan, Ray, Oswald, Benghazi, Fast and Furious,
Ft.Hood)


14 posted on 04/25/2013 9:34:16 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

“He became a citizen on the day of 9/11/12 and that night his brother (speed bump)’s best friend was mysteriously murdered in Waltham MA along with two other not so upstanding folks. The method?..Throat slashing...coincidink? nah....”

The three victims were all Jewish. (Irrelevant, of course...sarc/off)


15 posted on 04/25/2013 9:35:14 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: gasport

Prove that he didn’t. You can’t, and there is the problem. This sucks no matter how you slice it. He is a dirtbag murdering terrorist who also happens to be a citizen. What happens to any of us if the govt suddenly decides to classify us as terrorists? Are you gonna give up your rights because you thought it was ok for this clown to not be afforded his?


16 posted on 04/25/2013 9:35:35 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327

If he was declared an enemy combatant, and such determination was upheld by a hearing, he could have been tried in a military tribunal. Due processes without a Miranda warning. Even then he still could have been sent to criminal court had the Feds so chosen.

Instead, Obama chose the direct route to stopping intelligence gathering and a fast track to the slow road of endless legal rangling and appeals.


17 posted on 04/25/2013 9:39:05 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Nachum

Flashback to his Gitmo days?


18 posted on 04/25/2013 9:39:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: qaz123; sean327; Nachum
I think that the FBI would have enough information outside of Miranda to convict Joker, so they should gotten every last shred of information out of him possible. There might be knowledge about welfare fraud that Governor Patrick doesn't want to have revealed to an inquisitive press. There might be people engaged in wire fraud crimes regarding terrorism funding. He might have knowledge of bomb makers, drug connections, weapons connections, and people with knowledge of Joker and Tammy's activities both at home and abroad. Joker could possibly have information that could stop other attacks and save other lives.

The conspiracy theory I have is that the judge was sent in to get him to stop talking in the event that he knew information about the Saudi Student, his activities regarding terrorism and its funding if any, and possible direct ties between the student and the White House.

19 posted on 04/25/2013 9:40:01 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: qaz123

This guy will end up doing some time and then he’ll be out....now it may take some time..but he’s going to walk on our streets again.


20 posted on 04/25/2013 9:40:43 PM PDT by caww
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To: Nachum

Where was she when the SWAT teams were invading homes and kicking people out of their domiciles???


21 posted on 04/25/2013 9:40:58 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: sean327
You choose.

I heard a former DoJ prosecter from Bush's term explaining the legality of this on Saturday night and he was saying how there was a way to consider him an "enemy combatant" but the administration would certainly not use it.

So- he fully expected the man to be Miranda'd and for him to do exactly what he just did: clam up. And- it went down EXACTLY as he said it would. Not sure it is as cut and dry as you seem to think it is. There are circumstances that when public safety is immediately threatened, the Miranda laws do not apply. I forget the exact term for it.

So, for instance, if the bomber had friends that were conducting more life threatening actions- like bombing trains in Canada to the U.S., we theoretically had every right NOT to Miranda him due to the clear and present danger. Now that we have, he can do more damage, simply by saying nothing.

22 posted on 04/25/2013 9:41:01 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: sean327
I know this is not the popular opinion here but he should have been read his Miranda rights from the git-go. He may be a dirbag terrorist, but he is a US citizen and must be afforded due process. If they can pull this crap on him they can pull it on any of us.

Absolutely right! While I don't like the easy process by which Tsarnaev became an American citizen, the fact is that he is a naturalized citizen and is therefore entitled to every right thereunto pertaining until he is convicted of the crimes for which he is charged.

23 posted on 04/25/2013 9:41:59 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: sean327

Wrongo Bongo. He is a freaking terrorist and was afforded all health care rights as a US citizen but the public exemption act was in place and this beyotch had him awakened so he could be “mirandized”. You can’t be questioned in a48 hour period if you are unconscious due to administered drugs.
B/effin/S


24 posted on 04/25/2013 9:42:12 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: SoCal Pubbie

So your ok with US citizens being declared enemy combatants?
I’m not. Where is that line drawn? Where does it stop? There is no set criteria for classifing someone an enemy combatant.


25 posted on 04/25/2013 9:43:13 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Nachum
"There are circumstances that when public safety is immediately threatened, the Miranda laws do not apply. I forget the exact term for it."

(Waving hand excitedly.) Exigent circumstances!

26 posted on 04/25/2013 9:45:41 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Nachum

Well, any reference to previous FBI interviews or watch lists will be quickly ruled “prejudicial” and completely excluded. All pre-bombing government incompetence will be excluded. One million people ordered to shelter in place (martial law), that will be prejudicial too. CYA is looking ok all around -that’s what’s really important, that we get back to the “appearance” of security as soon as possible.

If the defense can call Mom then she’ll act crazy on que on the stand too garner sympathy for her son, with a Mom like that how couldn’t you be screwed up, right? Don’t discount it.

Finally, women are already saying he’s cute. He only needs one digbat social media obsessed dimwit broad to hang the jury.

In short, a fiasco.


27 posted on 04/25/2013 9:47:31 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Enterprise

you know what FBI stands for? Famous But Incompetent.

This guys is doing time. No doubt. Especially with the show that was put on. But, there just seems to be some really weird things going on, to me at least. All the misinformation about how they were armed. He had a gun in the boat, then he didn’t.

But, you’re idea on that Saudi is definitely something to look into. Too bad it never will. Now they’re trying to tear Beck apart about it.


28 posted on 04/25/2013 9:47:32 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: CondorFlight

I agree..almost...though I think even with a trial..he’ll be out walking our streets again.


29 posted on 04/25/2013 9:48:17 PM PDT by caww
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To: sean327

This POS is no more an American than Obama is. They’re all traitors.


30 posted on 04/25/2013 9:48:33 PM PDT by Argus
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To: clintonh8r

NO SH*T!!!

I’d love to strap Patreus, Ham and many many others into a chair and ask them where their loyalty lies and when they gave up. Especially Patreus.

You’d think someone, would have some nuts and do the right thing. But, I guess their pensions, board of director positions and whatever else they do in retirement are worth more than honoring the oath they took.


31 posted on 04/25/2013 9:49:58 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Fitzy_888

Oh, they will try all the tricks to slow it up and reduce his sentence, but this guy is looking at Murder one, times a zillion.

However, they do have goodies they can offer him to get him to rat out his friends. The problem is that it takes time, and we do not have time while we are being attacked.


32 posted on 04/25/2013 9:50:20 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: qaz123

I think the intervention of a judge who had no business butting herself into a heavy investigation like this one gives Becks a lot of credibility now, in light of the fact that Joker clammed up. The left had some leverage in laughing at Beck, but that is gone now and Beck needs to take it and run with it for months.


33 posted on 04/25/2013 9:51:21 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise
(Waving hand excitedly.) Exigent circumstances!

Sounds good. Not sure that was the one he used though.

34 posted on 04/25/2013 9:51:51 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: qaz123
"you know what FBI stands for?"

I've heard a few more. Some unprintable.

:B)

35 posted on 04/25/2013 9:52:51 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: sean327

If only this dirtbag terrorist wasn’t citizenized under false pretenses I’d have to agree.


36 posted on 04/25/2013 9:53:08 PM PDT by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: Enterprise

I’m going out on a limb and saying that he probably doesn’t know much. Just following big brother.


37 posted on 04/25/2013 9:55:17 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: gasport

Naturalization can be revoked.

Interrogation for information should have been completed before miranda. The information gathered would not be needed in prosecution.

He is on video planting a bomb that killed and maimed, threw bombs at cops, left bombs all over the neighborhood, etc. That’s more than enough to get him a death sentence or three.

Would be interesting to know more about this judge’s background.


38 posted on 04/25/2013 10:04:54 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: caww

If he does time rather than swinging don’t be surprised when there is a lethal incident in prison.


39 posted on 04/25/2013 10:07:28 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: qaz123
I won't argue the point either, since we have had so much misinformation. This article states that he knew things very crucial to the FBI.

"Adding to the shock: the sources told Kelly agents were getting crucial information after only 16 hours of questioning and were making valuable progress."

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3012292/posts"

Breaking Report: FBI Was ‘Shocked’ to See Judge ‘Waltz’ in and Give Tsarnaev Miranda Rights

40 posted on 04/25/2013 10:07:53 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Nachum
Judge Napalitano on FOX News explained how it works. The timing, etc. for a US citizen. He seemed to be OK with it, and I don't get the feeling he's an Obama fan.

The part about the judge going to the hospital room had me, but the Napalitano said that does happen so that the presiding judge will know the suspect was read his rights.

I still don't like it myself. The little creep should be treated as an enemy combatant, and I do feel that this order to Mirandize him came from high up, probably Holder. The wheels of justice turn slow. Maybe more information can be dragged out of the perp that will lead to other terrorist cells, but I think that info died with his brother, who seemed to be more the mastermind behind all this.

Time will tell.

41 posted on 04/25/2013 10:10:58 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Nachum

More than likely.


42 posted on 04/25/2013 10:16:06 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Nachum

there is not one of us who a judge would come and visit us in the hospital to read us our rights.....we’d be in jail immediately...


43 posted on 04/25/2013 10:17:26 PM PDT by cherry
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To: clintonh8r
Are there no...NO...honest, high level career civil servants, especially in DoJ, people who have spent decades prosecuting the worst criminals and defending the Constitution, who will stand up for the truth?

No. Not if they want to remain on the public's payroll.

And, getting a job in the private sector is . . . . . . well . . . . . . . too much like work!

44 posted on 04/25/2013 10:17:33 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: Ray76
Naturalization can only be revoked in a judicial proceeding, or through an administrative proceeding subject to judicial review. In short, Tsarnaev is an American citizen whether we like it or not (I don't), and is therefore entitled to every right of an American citizen until he is convicted in a court of law.

As for the overwhelming evidence against Tsarnaev, we have a Constitutional process for presenting that evidence at trial. It works for all of us or it doesn't work at all.

We should guard against selective protection of citizens' rights, and we must ensure that they apply to the worst and most hated criminal defendants. Who's to say that Christians won't be the most despised people in America in a few more years?

45 posted on 04/25/2013 10:22:41 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: qaz123; Nachum
Well well well, look what just popped up!

"Boston Bomber Magistrate’s Middle Eastern Connections"

Link

46 posted on 04/25/2013 10:32:56 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Ray76

Possible...criminals seem to have their own court of justice regarless of what they’re charged with in the legal courts. They do seem to get those who have k*lle* many though.


47 posted on 04/25/2013 10:35:14 PM PDT by caww
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To: jeffc
I still don't like it myself. The little creep should be treated as an enemy combatant, and I do feel that this order to Mirandize him came from high up, probably Holder. The wheels of justice turn slow. Maybe more information can be dragged out of the perp that will lead to other terrorist cells, but I think that info died with his brother, who seemed to be more the mastermind behind all this.

Tsarnaev is an American citizen arrested and charged with committing a crime on American soil. For a similar act, Timothy McVeigh was tried, convicted and executed without his Constitutional rights being ignored. Tsarnaev deserves the same treatment, and if convicted, the same punishment.

Let's fast forward to a time in which your beliefs and way of life place you outside the law, even in Florida... Will you then possess the rights of an American citizen, or might a bureaucrat popularly label you as an "enemy combatant?"

48 posted on 04/25/2013 10:36:46 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: sean327

Not only have US Citizens been declared enemy combatants, they’ve been executed for it. 71 years ago!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hans_Haupt


49 posted on 04/25/2013 10:42:09 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: sean327
I am astonished anyone is still gnawing on this bone. With an abundance of physical evidence to convict, statements by the perp will be unnecessary to try him. If his statements are not to be used as evidence, the "Miranda" warning is irrelevant.

On the other hand, continued interrogation could have yielded more useful information about others involved, including connections to people in or close to the regime--which is why the judge was sent in to shut him up by reminding him to "remain silent."

50 posted on 04/25/2013 10:42:50 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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