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Something Rotten in the Boy Scouts
Crisis Magazine ^ | April 26, 2013 | Austin Ruse

Posted on 04/26/2013 1:43:57 PM PDT by NYer

There’s deception going on in the front office of the Boy Scouts. It includes deliberate misrepresentation of polling data, and threats to pack an upcoming meeting with anonymous and unqualified voters so that the Boy Scout policy on homosexuality gets forced on the majority of Scouts and parents who don’t want it.

The Boy Scouts are considering changing their policy of not allowing open homosexuality in either their Scout or leadership ranks. The policy has placed the Boy Scouts in the buzz saw of the zeitgeist and up until recently they have resisted. There are some weak-kneed leaders who want to throw over the policy and appear willing to violate the Scout Law to do it.

The Scout front office released the result of a national survey and “listening” process that purported to show that the Scouts—boys, parents, leaders and donors—favor a change in the policy. The Boy Scouts say the process reveals great changes in attitudes and that a majority of those at all levels of Scouting “tend to agree that youth should not be denied the benefits of Scouting.”

This was dutifully and even triumphantly reported in the mainstream press. The only problem is the news reports were wrong. And the news reports were wrong because the Boy Scouts misrepresented the results. One close observer of the Boy Scouts calls the poll “a pack of lies.”

Do Scouting parents want to overhaul the policy and allow open homosexuality in the Scouts? The Executive Summary of the Poll says, “yes”, but the numbers say “no.” Fifty percent of Cub Scout parents support the current restrictive policy while 45% oppose it. A whopping 61% of Boy Scout parents support the current policy.

How did Boy Scout leadership get anywhere near the assertion that a majority of those in Scouting support homosexuality in Scouting? Part of what they did was what is known as a push-poll, a questionnaire designed not to elicit an accurate opinion but one designed to change opinions.

Here’s the most sympathetic scenario presented to the respondents: “Tom started in the program as a Tiger Cub and finished every requirement for the Eagle Scout award at 16 years of age. At his board of review Tom reveals he is gay. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for the review board to deny his Eagle Scout award based on that admission?”

Read this way, you may conclude that it is not right or just to deny Tom his award. Even so, the numbers show that a majority of parents still continue to support the current policy.

What is going on here? Deception, that’s what. There is a small group on the Executive Committee of the Boy Scouts who want this policy to change. What they face is a membership that largely opposes the measure. So, they try to get their way by lying about a poll. But there is more deception than that.

The Executive Board took up the issue a few months ago and after a tsunami of protest punted the issue to a vote of their National Council set to take place on May 20th. There are usually 1400 voting members of this body who qualify through strict criteria. Insiders have been told there may be an additional 2,000 voting members at the upcoming meeting. Who are they? The Boy Scouts leaders aren’t telling. Are they trying to pack the meeting? It sure looks that way.

A group of Scouting parents have grown alarmed over these deceptive practices and have hired not one but two lawyers to represent their interests and not just their interests but the interest of fairness and making sure the Boy Scout Executive Committee sticks to their own by-laws that are very clear about who can vote. There are legal issues here and this whole process could end up on court.

On the eve of the vote the Executive Committee will make a presentation on this issue to the National Council. The Executive Committee is the group driving this change and is the group presenting these deceptive numbers. You can be sure in that meeting there will be no presentation from supporters of the current policy, and you can be sure the Executive committee will continue to spin their deceptive tale about how most of Scouting is fine with open homosexuality in the program.

All this goes to show once more the lengths of deception that some will go to advance an agenda that is offensive to most Americans. They cannot win an up or down vote so they lie about a poll. They cannot convince regular people so they have to pack the meeting.

The number one item in the Boy Scout law is to be trustworthy. The process ought to be stopped and there ought to be a housecleaning and all these untrustworthy guys should get the boot.


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Meanwhile, the BSA is dealing with sex abuse lawsuits.

And there could be more financial damage to come, with jurors set to go back to court next week to decide whether the Scouts must pay up to $25 million in punitive damages.

The verdict delivered Tuesday by a Portland jury was based partly on the introduction as evidence of more than 1,000 so-called "perversion files" secretly kept by the Boy Scouts of America at the group's national headquarters from 1965 to mid-1984.

Boy Scouts sex trial shifts to punitive damages

1 posted on 04/26/2013 1:43:57 PM PDT by NYer
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah; narses

Ping!


2 posted on 04/26/2013 1:44:28 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

If the Boy Scouts go gay, will they be renamed The “Rump Rangers”?


3 posted on 04/26/2013 1:45:59 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

and it will continure to go on as usual because Christian parents won’t take a stand and remove their children from the group, just like with the girl scouts


4 posted on 04/26/2013 1:47:48 PM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: NYer

5 posted on 04/26/2013 1:49:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: NYer
There is a small group on the Executive Committee of the Boy Scouts who want this policy to change. What they face is a membership that largely opposes the measure. So, they try to get their way by lying about a poll.

Name them and expel them.

6 posted on 04/26/2013 1:56:04 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: NYer

The leadership has been infiltrated by Nambla symps.

The fight has just begun. The Boy Scouts will eventually be a farm for pedos.


7 posted on 04/26/2013 1:58:05 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn....)
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To: SendShaqtoIraq

This is so easy to combat: just understand that the organization has been taken over by an enemy invasion and shut the entire kit and caboodle the f**k down. Form new local ad hoc organizations that don’t rely on corporate money. Rough it for a while.


8 posted on 04/26/2013 2:07:32 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: NYer

Vote your ballot, vote your wallet, vote your feet


9 posted on 04/26/2013 2:09:46 PM PDT by ptsal (E)
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To: NYer

Exactly. If you want to see the upshot of allowing gay scoutmasters, look no further than the problems the Catholic church has faced with the antics of the pederast priests.


10 posted on 04/26/2013 2:11:35 PM PDT by white trash redneck (Just one of B. Hussein Obama's "typical white people")
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To: NYer

Rule One: No Poofters!


11 posted on 04/26/2013 2:13:12 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

Nobody is prevented from being a Scout because they’re homosexual. What prevents them from being Scouts is the ludicrous demand that everybody else “celebrate” their OPEN, BLATANT faggotry.

If they keep their sexual affairs private, as they should, there wouldn’t be an issue. The Scout in the story simply HAD TO announce he was “gay”.

No he didn’t. He did so because he was demanding others accept, and “celebrate” his perversion.

And that he has NO right to whatsoever.


12 posted on 04/26/2013 2:14:07 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: kabumpo

Rough it for a while. How much money can they need to sell themselves and ruin an American institution which is formative for men. Football will go the same way.

They need to stop worrying about money.

Not money but “the love of money is the root of all evil”.

1 Timothy 6:10 RSV
Revised Standard Version

For the love of money is the root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced their hearts with many pangs.

1 Timothy 6:10 NIV
New International Version

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.


13 posted on 04/26/2013 2:15:19 PM PDT by stanne
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To: white trash redneck
I predicted this in 2002: first the Catholic Church, then the Boy Scouts, then the Mormons and the Southern Baptist Convention. Why? Because they're particularly pedo? No. Because they LGBT's have an enemies list. They need to trash them, defile them, and take them down.

(Searching around on my cluttered desk, looking for the dern clue...)

14 posted on 04/26/2013 2:18:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (" If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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To: NYer

Somebody should wrap BP’s coffin in copper wire and furnish energy to the world.


15 posted on 04/26/2013 2:23:24 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: NYer

These “leaders” are doing a numbers game. How much money will they lose if they maintain the status quo vs how much money they will lose if they allow gays in scouting.

In other words, which decision is most likely going to pay for their executive salaries and perks? :(

This is the highest consideration.


16 posted on 04/26/2013 2:24:14 PM PDT by GSD Lover
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To: lowbridge

Part of the answer to your question here. It’s Annual Meeting Season: Boy Scout Supporters Fight Back!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3005591/posts


17 posted on 04/26/2013 2:34:26 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Not sure re: Boy Scouts, Catholic Church nor Mormons but we in the SBC have fought back against liberalism at least once before when it had already almost tossed out biblical scripture against such sin and we're ready to take the fight to any leadership that wants to "bend over" to the LGBT leaning bunch again!

Even though we've lost some of the stalwart leaders of the past, there are still enough strength in the conservative seminaries and pastors who are ready and willing to fight the good fight again, when and if necessary no matter how many other denominations grab their ankles and cave!

We know we fight not against princes nor principalities but against the forces of darkness that hate Christ and hate His commandments against sin.

18 posted on 04/26/2013 2:44:50 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: kabumpo
This is so easy to combat: just understand that the organization has been taken over by an enemy invasion and shut the entire kit and caboodle the f**k down. Form new local ad hoc organizations that don’t rely on corporate money. Rough it for a while.

That was my thought, too. Just take it away from them, create your own little "cells" of Boy Scouts. There certainly have been enough guys who have gone through BS to know how to run one.
19 posted on 04/26/2013 2:45:52 PM PDT by Thorliveshere (Tais deau sá taghdedaul!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
1. No poofters.

2. No member of the faculty is to maltreat the "Abos" in any way whatsoever - if there's anyone watching.

3. No poofters.

4. I don't want to catch anyone not drinking in their room after lights out.

5. No poofters.

6. There is NO! . . . rule six.

7. No poofters.

20 posted on 04/26/2013 2:46:21 PM PDT by mykroar (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice.-Thomas Paine)
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To: zerosix
zerosix, I admire what you said and you're exactly right.

I don 't do enough, and I am ashamed of that. I have to stop wringing my hands and wailing "When is somebody going to stand up and fight?"

21 posted on 04/26/2013 2:54:50 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (" If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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To: FReepers
Liberals

What Can You Say?

Donate

22 posted on 04/26/2013 3:19:01 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: kabumpo

Consider that many scouts are from liberal voting areas that are easily susceptable to any new pc propaganda that comes along. Look at who they have been voting for these past thrty or forty years—Democrats. What have the Democrap leadership been supporting for the past forty years? Abortion and gay rights and yet those blue voting areas do not dump that party from hell.

Maybe there should be a split in the Boy Scouts with the traditional Americans staying together and the freak-of-the week Americans can follow the devil down to hell.


23 posted on 04/26/2013 3:35:04 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: DJ MacWoW

For the last 10 + years there has been huge concern over transmission of HIV/AIDS. As a result medical professional, police, firemen and jailers take precaution to avoid contact with bodily fluids (includes spit) of potential homosexuals transmitting the disease. Why is there no concern with protecting the boy scouts. Why shouldn’t all homosexual boys entering the scouts be tested for the disease as a precaution to protect others? Makes sense to me. Was that a poll question??????


24 posted on 04/26/2013 3:42:23 PM PDT by Claytonbridge
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To: zerosix

Parents have to take into consideration that it is not only the adult homosexuals who are a problem but even the young ones will be sleeping in the same tents with their sons. Who wants to send their kids on camping trips with hormone driven homosexual adolescents. In addition, the homos will take every opportunity to preach the homosexual agenda at every opportunity. They get the indoctrination from the homosexual youth organizations that are all over the schools today so that they know all the smart a$$ pat answers to any objection to homosexuality. They want to get close to kids so that they can either get into their heads or into their pants.


25 posted on 04/26/2013 3:48:26 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: jimt

This *gay* lad should be given some Bible tracts about what the Bible says about homosexuality. They may get the *right* to get in the Boy Scouts but nobody says they have to be comfortable there.


26 posted on 04/26/2013 3:54:45 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: NYer

Obviously, the way to avoid perversion lawsuits is to open the door to admitting more perverts.
They can then change their name to “Turd Pokers of America”.


27 posted on 04/26/2013 3:57:16 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Nachum

Funny thing (Not really that funny) is that probably not that many boys will join and say, “I am gay, so you gotta let me in!” I think it is more a liberal victory. Seriously what percentage of the gay community wants to be in BSA. I can see it now. The Scoutmaster says, “Guys, I want to introduce our newest scout, Joey.” The scouts clap. The scoutmaster then says “And for the record, Joey is gay. But remember guys, we have to treat Homosexuals the same as Heterosexuals. By the way, who wants to tent with Joey?” From the back a ten year old says, “Sir, what do you mean he is gay?” “Well son, get your parents to explain it to you”, says the Scoutmaster

This has nothing to do with gay scouts. You and I both know this is true. Since the sexual preference question is not on the application, there are gay boy scouts. I would find it hard to comb troops in America and not find one gay scout. Maybe I am wrong. With that said, if a Scout is gay, will he now admit it?


28 posted on 04/26/2013 3:57:47 PM PDT by drinktheobamakoolaid (If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
As a daughter, sister, wife, mother and now grandmother of Boy Scouts. I realize that we've allowed the evil camel to get his nose in the tent and there is where we need to draw the line in the sand!

I watched Christian and my own former denomination cave in the face of sin to keep from making the faithful "feel uncomfortable" sitting in the pews. I left the church of my childhood when I could no longer stomach what I was hearing from the pulpit, hoping I could make changes from within.

When I realized I was trying to "cast pearls before swine," (though it was not my pearls but the words of Christ) I felt led to "kick the sand from my shoes," and find a group of people that at least were looking for the truth in scriptures rather than those who were denying them, to perform "social services to the community."

Now to the Scouts, it is time to grab our pitch forks and clean out the barn!

I once heard a Sunday message where we were told that when we have times of peace, we need to study, pray and strengthen ourselves for the next battle, not think the battle has been won, for Satan never sleeps.

It will only be thus when Christ returns.

29 posted on 04/26/2013 4:01:21 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: NYer
http://www.scribd.com/doc/110542554/Boys-Scouts-of-America-Floyd-David-Slusher-File
 
 
"2nd Offense" -- FAIL

30 posted on 04/26/2013 4:03:58 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: NYer

As a former den leader myself ... for even stooping to the level of "considering" a policy change, my inclination is to turn my back on the organization. I'm in a holding pattern. Waiting and watching.


31 posted on 04/26/2013 4:04:22 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: ArrogantBustard

Rule Six: There is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Rule Six!!!

Rule Seven: No poofters!

Seriously, this is not the BSA I knew as a Scout. Of course, that was fifty years ago. Geez......


32 posted on 04/26/2013 4:05:39 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: GSD Lover

Oh, wow, they have executives, I didn’t know that, I thought it was just a family/community kind of thing. I do know that the United Fund which is a pc charity sewer has been a donor to the Boy Scouts. We have to take a good look at the *charities* and tax exempt groups. There are Christian ones amd there are secular humanist liberal ones. At one time when America was one country it was safe to give to general groups such as the United Fund, Red Cross etc. but many of the executive people are indoctrinated in all the politically correct (corrupt) idealogies. Look at what happened to Susan Kolmen for the Cure? Millions of people gave money because they know someone who had breast cancer but it became known a couple of years ago that they were part of the liberal agenda. They were giving money to Planned Parenthood and many people did not know this. Many of these ngo groups are liberals who just want a good paying job away from the hated business world.


33 posted on 04/26/2013 4:06:39 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: lowbridge

Isn’t it always the case, the elites are corrupt and departed from their values.


34 posted on 04/26/2013 4:08:09 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: lowbridge
6 ... Name them and expel them.

National Scout Executive (professional)- Wayne Brock
National President (volunteer) - Wayne Perry (co-owner Seattle Mariners)
National Commissioner (volunteer) - "Tico" Perez
National Executive Committee (volunteer) - James Turley (CEO, Ernst & Young)
National Executive Committee (volunteer) - Randall Stephenson (CEO, AT&T) and expected to be elected National BSA President in 2014
National Past President (volunteer) - Rex Tillerson (CEO, Exxon)

35 posted on 04/26/2013 4:48:24 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: Mrs. Don-o
14 I predicted this in 2002: first the Catholic Church, then the Boy Scouts, then the Mormons and the Southern Baptist Convention ...

Agree to a point. The top 6 denominations which charter Scouting units ...

1. LDS - yep, they folded this week
2. UMC - a house divided, probably will fold
3. Roman Catholic - very disappointed they haven't spoke out more against this given their own internal homosexual scandal.
4. ELCA - they ordain homosexuals. Stick a fork in 'em
5. PCUSA - they ordain homosexuals. Gig'em
6. Baptists - all flavors. The Southern Baptist Convention is THE ONLY Christian denomination among the top 6 charter institutions that is fighting the good fight against the homosexualists.

36 posted on 04/26/2013 4:56:29 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: WorkingClassFilth
15 ... Somebody should wrap BP’s coffin in copper wire and furnish energy to the world.

Tim Jeal’s exhaustive biography of B-P, The Boy-Man: The Life of Lord Baden-Powell, was published in 1990. He speculated that B-P could have been a repressed homosexual. Jeal's conclusion was shared by some biographers and disputed by others, but has not yet been examined in any detail by scholars.

1. His father was an Anglican minister. He died when B-P was 3 years old. His widowed mother raised him along with 6 siblings. She was a strong woman who was determined that her children would succeed.
2. B-P had a very close friendship with Kenneth McLaren in their early army service years. McLaren would later marry and die while relatively young.
3. He had very few, if any, female friends over the course of his life.
4. There is no evidence of him ever having a romantic girl friend.
5. His record of correspondence showed apathy for the female body.
6. His record of correspondence showed a keen appreciation for the male body.
7. His record of correspondence with the headmaster of his old public school, Charterhouse School, included a request to see, again, a photo album of nude male students. (Such photos were taken in those days for medical evaluation of range of motion of the limbs, to assess spinal alignment (detect scoliosis) and polio development. This was done for males and females, and was part of medical training in orthopedics and pediatrics and was a standard of medical practice. It was done in the U.S. starting in the 1880’s in the Ivy League colleges. Charterhouse was a school for the affluent.)
8. As a child, his sense of dramatics was encouraged which developed into a fondness for acting out skits and plays.
9. He was especially fond of the play/book, “Peter Pan; or, the Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up” which appeared in 1904.
10. He married Olave St Clair Soames in 1912 when he was 55 and she was 23 (5 years after he founded the Scouting movement in the UK.) Her father thought B-P led her own in hopes of marriage. The evidence does not indicate B-P behaved improprely. Her father would have publicly humiliated B-P had B-P not married his daughter.
11. The evidence suggested that their marriage was not romantically passionate.
12. After siring 3 children with Olave, he arranged separate bedrooms for Olave and him in their home for the rest of his life.
13. It’s been 10+ years since I read this book. I recall an account which happened in the earlier years of Scouting in the U.K. B-P was pioneering the start of a long term encampment for boys (i.e., summer camp) and training center for adult volunteers. His friend, William McLaren, purchased the Cranshaw estate in Sewardstonebury, Epping Forest, close to Chingford, London. He went on to donate the property to the Scout Association in 1919. This property became known as Gilwell Park and is still in use today. Anyway, there were several incidents in the 1920s at Gilwell Park where adult Scouters sexually molested youth Scouts during encampments. This problem has plagued Scouting since its earliest days.

37 posted on 04/26/2013 5:21:30 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: zerosix

Amen x 40


38 posted on 04/26/2013 5:22:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (" If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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To: MacNaughton

This Catholic says, “God bless the Baptists!” The whole situation is so horrible -— so unbelievable —


39 posted on 04/26/2013 5:23:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (" If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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To: cradle of freedom
23 ... Maybe there should be a split in the Boy Scouts with the traditional Americans staying together and the freak-of-the week Americans can follow the devil down to hell.

I like your thinking. The conservatives are in the majority right now in BSA, but not by much. Purge the liberals by maintaining the current membership policy. Let all the liberals go to the Baden-Powell Scout Association. It crossed the pond and was incorporated in the U.S. in 2002.

40 posted on 04/26/2013 5:26:45 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: cradle of freedom
33 ... I do know that the United Fund which is a pc charity sewer has been a donor to the Boy Scouts. ...

1991 – today – More than 70 local United Way (UW) chapters (out of ~1,400 total) across the land have defunded BSA local councils within their boundaries. Most councils (~294 total in 2013 – the number is soft because some council consolidations are still occurring) have several local UW chapters within their boundaries. The UW chapters claimed that their local charters prevented them from distributing funds to non-profit organizations which discriminated. Several corporations during the 1990s announced they would discontinue donations to BSA. They included CVS, Levi-Strauss, SeaFirst Bank, and Wells Fargo. Anecdotal reports from the field indicated that local council professionals were encountering harsh business reactions when they attempted outreach for financial support. The councils most affected were primarily located on the west coast, upper mid-west, and east coast/northeast. In JUL 2003, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a decision by a U.S. District Judge that excluded the BSA from an annual (state government) workplace charitable campaign (United Way) run by the state of CT because of BSA's exclusive membership policy. In MAR 2004, the SCOTUS declined to review the case. Currently on average, UW chapter contributions account for ~ 30% of local councils’ operating budgets.

41 posted on 04/26/2013 5:32:56 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: TArcher

And one of the most dangerous things about these pedophiles is that they successfully intimidate their victims into silence thereby guaranteeing their easy access to more victims. When these b@st@rds are alone with the kids they have total control over them. Time and again when we hear about pedophiles finally getting caught it has been years or even many years after they began their crimes. They victimize kids time and time again.


42 posted on 04/26/2013 5:41:45 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: NYer
4/24/2013 - According to a Wall Street Journal blog by Geoffrey Fowler, Scouting leaders in Baltimore (Northeast Region Executive Vice President Jay Lenrow) and the Los Angeles Area Council this week proposed their own resolutions to end BSA’s longstanding ban on adult homosexual leaders. These resolutions indicated that there is still discord within the liberal ranks of BSA volunteers who believe the BSA National Executive Committee resolution doesn’t go far enough to eliminate discrimination. BSA National spokesman Deron Smith said the organization had “received various resolutions recommending a variety of options about this policy,” and that it referred those to its Resolutions Committee. That committee would meet sufficiently in advance of the annual National Council business meeting in May to address the resolutions, he said. The proposal from Mr. Lenrow stipulated that in choosing adult leaders each local organization “shall have the right (but not be required) to grant membership to individuals … without regard to sexual orientation.” Mr. Lenrow, who is from Baltimore, submitted his resolution as an individual BSA volunteer though he said he has support from other BSA volunteer leaders who are authorized to vote in May. Mr. Lenrow, who is Jewish, said the issue is related to freedom of religion for him. “I have bristled for 12 years because I felt that certain religious groups were preventing me from participating in Scouting in accordance with my religious principles,” he said. Some of Mr. Lenrow’s supporters say his proposal might make it to the ballot because it doesn’t directly contradict the national proposal, which changed the policy on gay youth, but essentially made no change to the rules about adults. Scouts for Equality founder Zach Wahls said he supported “anything that gets us towards a full resolution – and Jay’s resolution would do that — but our campaign won’t be over until we have gotten to the goal of full inclusion.”
43 posted on 04/26/2013 5:43:27 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton; cradle of freedom

Maybe the NRA should start it’s own Boy Scout organization.


44 posted on 04/26/2013 5:46:12 PM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: cradle of freedom

>>intimidate their victims

Slusher threatened to murder his.

A Jeffery Dahmer in the making.


45 posted on 04/26/2013 5:51:04 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: MacNaughton

*United Way* is not united at all it is the Divided Way. They have chosen their lot. Let them *discriminate* against God and let us *discriminate* against United Way by not giving one penney to their foul organization. Where I worked before, all the employees were shaken down to make donations to the United Way. They wanted everyone to give something even a small amount so that they could have a 100% donor compliance. I guess it was supposed to show civic pride or something.


46 posted on 04/26/2013 5:53:17 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: ladyjane

Truly awesome idea.


47 posted on 04/26/2013 5:54:50 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom
46 ... Where I worked before, all the employees were shaken down to make donations to the United Way. They wanted everyone to give something even a small amount so that they could have a 100% donor compliance. I guess it was supposed to show civic pride or something.

Right you are - "pledge your fair (1%) share." Yeah, the corporate executives really push this crap for their own ego. Of course, UW came up with a shell game to ease potential donors consciences - direct your donation to a specific charity you approve. But what they don't say is that the percentages for all of the approved charities have already been decided in advance. Unspecified $ will be directed away from those specified charities so it all evens out in the wash. If you are going to donate to BSA, do it through your local council's Friends of Scouting annual fund drive.

48 posted on 04/26/2013 6:04:42 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Everybody seems to be afraid of that big bad word D-I-S-C-R-I-M-I-N-A-T-I-O-N. Discrimination and not recycling are the only two sins left.


49 posted on 04/26/2013 6:06:34 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: TArcher

Wow.


50 posted on 04/26/2013 6:07:37 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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