Skip to comments.Something Rotten in the Boy Scouts
Posted on 04/26/2013 1:43:57 PM PDT by NYer
Theres deception going on in the front office of the Boy Scouts. It includes deliberate misrepresentation of polling data, and threats to pack an upcoming meeting with anonymous and unqualified voters so that the Boy Scout policy on homosexuality gets forced on the majority of Scouts and parents who dont want it.
The Boy Scouts are considering changing their policy of not allowing open homosexuality in either their Scout or leadership ranks. The policy has placed the Boy Scouts in the buzz saw of the zeitgeist and up until recently they have resisted. There are some weak-kneed leaders who want to throw over the policy and appear willing to violate the Scout Law to do it.
The Scout front office released the result of a national survey and listening process that purported to show that the Scoutsboys, parents, leaders and donorsfavor a change in the policy. The Boy Scouts say the process reveals great changes in attitudes and that a majority of those at all levels of Scouting tend to agree that youth should not be denied the benefits of Scouting.
This was dutifully and even triumphantly reported in the mainstream press. The only problem is the news reports were wrong. And the news reports were wrong because the Boy Scouts misrepresented the results. One close observer of the Boy Scouts calls the poll a pack of lies.
Do Scouting parents want to overhaul the policy and allow open homosexuality in the Scouts? The Executive Summary of the Poll says, yes, but the numbers say no. Fifty percent of Cub Scout parents support the current restrictive policy while 45% oppose it. A whopping 61% of Boy Scout parents support the current policy.
How did Boy Scout leadership get anywhere near the assertion that a majority of those in Scouting support homosexuality in Scouting? Part of what they did was what is known as a push-poll, a questionnaire designed not to elicit an accurate opinion but one designed to change opinions.
Heres the most sympathetic scenario presented to the respondents: Tom started in the program as a Tiger Cub and finished every requirement for the Eagle Scout award at 16 years of age. At his board of review Tom reveals he is gay. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for the review board to deny his Eagle Scout award based on that admission?
Read this way, you may conclude that it is not right or just to deny Tom his award. Even so, the numbers show that a majority of parents still continue to support the current policy.
What is going on here? Deception, thats what. There is a small group on the Executive Committee of the Boy Scouts who want this policy to change. What they face is a membership that largely opposes the measure. So, they try to get their way by lying about a poll. But there is more deception than that.
The Executive Board took up the issue a few months ago and after a tsunami of protest punted the issue to a vote of their National Council set to take place on May 20th. There are usually 1400 voting members of this body who qualify through strict criteria. Insiders have been told there may be an additional 2,000 voting members at the upcoming meeting. Who are they? The Boy Scouts leaders arent telling. Are they trying to pack the meeting? It sure looks that way.
A group of Scouting parents have grown alarmed over these deceptive practices and have hired not one but two lawyers to represent their interests and not just their interests but the interest of fairness and making sure the Boy Scout Executive Committee sticks to their own by-laws that are very clear about who can vote. There are legal issues here and this whole process could end up on court.
On the eve of the vote the Executive Committee will make a presentation on this issue to the National Council. The Executive Committee is the group driving this change and is the group presenting these deceptive numbers. You can be sure in that meeting there will be no presentation from supporters of the current policy, and you can be sure the Executive committee will continue to spin their deceptive tale about how most of Scouting is fine with open homosexuality in the program.
All this goes to show once more the lengths of deception that some will go to advance an agenda that is offensive to most Americans. They cannot win an up or down vote so they lie about a poll. They cannot convince regular people so they have to pack the meeting.
The number one item in the Boy Scout law is to be trustworthy. The process ought to be stopped and there ought to be a housecleaning and all these untrustworthy guys should get the boot.
And there could be more financial damage to come, with jurors set to go back to court next week to decide whether the Scouts must pay up to $25 million in punitive damages.
The verdict delivered Tuesday by a Portland jury was based partly on the introduction as evidence of more than 1,000 so-called "perversion files" secretly kept by the Boy Scouts of America at the group's national headquarters from 1965 to mid-1984.
If the Boy Scouts go gay, will they be renamed The “Rump Rangers”?
and it will continure to go on as usual because Christian parents won’t take a stand and remove their children from the group, just like with the girl scouts
Name them and expel them.
The leadership has been infiltrated by Nambla symps.
The fight has just begun. The Boy Scouts will eventually be a farm for pedos.
This is so easy to combat: just understand that the organization has been taken over by an enemy invasion and shut the entire kit and caboodle the f**k down. Form new local ad hoc organizations that don’t rely on corporate money. Rough it for a while.
Vote your ballot, vote your wallet, vote your feet
Exactly. If you want to see the upshot of allowing gay scoutmasters, look no further than the problems the Catholic church has faced with the antics of the pederast priests.
Rule One: No Poofters!
Nobody is prevented from being a Scout because they’re homosexual. What prevents them from being Scouts is the ludicrous demand that everybody else “celebrate” their OPEN, BLATANT faggotry.
If they keep their sexual affairs private, as they should, there wouldn’t be an issue. The Scout in the story simply HAD TO announce he was “gay”.
No he didn’t. He did so because he was demanding others accept, and “celebrate” his perversion.
And that he has NO right to whatsoever.
Rough it for a while. How much money can they need to sell themselves and ruin an American institution which is formative for men. Football will go the same way.
They need to stop worrying about money.
Not money but “the love of money is the root of all evil”.
1 Timothy 6:10 RSV
Revised Standard Version
For the love of money is the root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced their hearts with many pangs.
1 Timothy 6:10 NIV
New International Version
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
(Searching around on my cluttered desk, looking for the dern clue...)
Somebody should wrap BP’s coffin in copper wire and furnish energy to the world.
These “leaders” are doing a numbers game. How much money will they lose if they maintain the status quo vs how much money they will lose if they allow gays in scouting.
In other words, which decision is most likely going to pay for their executive salaries and perks? :(
This is the highest consideration.
Part of the answer to your question here. It’s Annual Meeting Season: Boy Scout Supporters Fight Back!
Even though we've lost some of the stalwart leaders of the past, there are still enough strength in the conservative seminaries and pastors who are ready and willing to fight the good fight again, when and if necessary no matter how many other denominations grab their ankles and cave!
We know we fight not against princes nor principalities but against the forces of darkness that hate Christ and hate His commandments against sin.
2. No member of the faculty is to maltreat the "Abos" in any way whatsoever - if there's anyone watching.
3. No poofters.
4. I don't want to catch anyone not drinking in their room after lights out.
5. No poofters.
6. There is NO! . . . rule six.
7. No poofters.
I don 't do enough, and I am ashamed of that. I have to stop wringing my hands and wailing "When is somebody going to stand up and fight?"
Consider that many scouts are from liberal voting areas that are easily susceptable to any new pc propaganda that comes along. Look at who they have been voting for these past thrty or forty years—Democrats. What have the Democrap leadership been supporting for the past forty years? Abortion and gay rights and yet those blue voting areas do not dump that party from hell.
Maybe there should be a split in the Boy Scouts with the traditional Americans staying together and the freak-of-the week Americans can follow the devil down to hell.
For the last 10 + years there has been huge concern over transmission of HIV/AIDS. As a result medical professional, police, firemen and jailers take precaution to avoid contact with bodily fluids (includes spit) of potential homosexuals transmitting the disease. Why is there no concern with protecting the boy scouts. Why shouldn’t all homosexual boys entering the scouts be tested for the disease as a precaution to protect others? Makes sense to me. Was that a poll question??????
Parents have to take into consideration that it is not only the adult homosexuals who are a problem but even the young ones will be sleeping in the same tents with their sons. Who wants to send their kids on camping trips with hormone driven homosexual adolescents. In addition, the homos will take every opportunity to preach the homosexual agenda at every opportunity. They get the indoctrination from the homosexual youth organizations that are all over the schools today so that they know all the smart a$$ pat answers to any objection to homosexuality. They want to get close to kids so that they can either get into their heads or into their pants.
This *gay* lad should be given some Bible tracts about what the Bible says about homosexuality. They may get the *right* to get in the Boy Scouts but nobody says they have to be comfortable there.
Obviously, the way to avoid perversion lawsuits is to open the door to admitting more perverts.
They can then change their name to “Turd Pokers of America”.
Funny thing (Not really that funny) is that probably not that many boys will join and say, I am gay, so you gotta let me in! I think it is more a liberal victory. Seriously what percentage of the gay community wants to be in BSA. I can see it now. The Scoutmaster says, Guys, I want to introduce our newest scout, Joey. The scouts clap. The scoutmaster then says And for the record, Joey is gay. But remember guys, we have to treat Homosexuals the same as Heterosexuals. By the way, who wants to tent with Joey? From the back a ten year old says, Sir, what do you mean he is gay? Well son, get your parents to explain it to you, says the Scoutmaster
This has nothing to do with gay scouts. You and I both know this is true. Since the sexual preference question is not on the application, there are gay boy scouts. I would find it hard to comb troops in America and not find one gay scout. Maybe I am wrong. With that said, if a Scout is gay, will he now admit it?
I watched Christian and my own former denomination cave in the face of sin to keep from making the faithful "feel uncomfortable" sitting in the pews. I left the church of my childhood when I could no longer stomach what I was hearing from the pulpit, hoping I could make changes from within.
When I realized I was trying to "cast pearls before swine," (though it was not my pearls but the words of Christ) I felt led to "kick the sand from my shoes," and find a group of people that at least were looking for the truth in scriptures rather than those who were denying them, to perform "social services to the community."
Now to the Scouts, it is time to grab our pitch forks and clean out the barn!
I once heard a Sunday message where we were told that when we have times of peace, we need to study, pray and strengthen ourselves for the next battle, not think the battle has been won, for Satan never sleeps.
It will only be thus when Christ returns.
Rule Six: There is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Rule Six!!!
Rule Seven: No poofters!
Seriously, this is not the BSA I knew as a Scout. Of course, that was fifty years ago. Geez......
Oh, wow, they have executives, I didn’t know that, I thought it was just a family/community kind of thing. I do know that the United Fund which is a pc charity sewer has been a donor to the Boy Scouts. We have to take a good look at the *charities* and tax exempt groups. There are Christian ones amd there are secular humanist liberal ones. At one time when America was one country it was safe to give to general groups such as the United Fund, Red Cross etc. but many of the executive people are indoctrinated in all the politically correct (corrupt) idealogies. Look at what happened to Susan Kolmen for the Cure? Millions of people gave money because they know someone who had breast cancer but it became known a couple of years ago that they were part of the liberal agenda. They were giving money to Planned Parenthood and many people did not know this. Many of these ngo groups are liberals who just want a good paying job away from the hated business world.
Isn’t it always the case, the elites are corrupt and departed from their values.
National Scout Executive (professional)- Wayne Brock
National President (volunteer) - Wayne Perry (co-owner Seattle Mariners)
National Commissioner (volunteer) - "Tico" Perez
National Executive Committee (volunteer) - James Turley (CEO, Ernst & Young)
National Executive Committee (volunteer) - Randall Stephenson (CEO, AT&T) and expected to be elected National BSA President in 2014
National Past President (volunteer) - Rex Tillerson (CEO, Exxon)
Agree to a point. The top 6 denominations which charter Scouting units ...
1. LDS - yep, they folded this week
2. UMC - a house divided, probably will fold
3. Roman Catholic - very disappointed they haven't spoke out more against this given their own internal homosexual scandal.
4. ELCA - they ordain homosexuals. Stick a fork in 'em
5. PCUSA - they ordain homosexuals. Gig'em
6. Baptists - all flavors. The Southern Baptist Convention is THE ONLY Christian denomination among the top 6 charter institutions that is fighting the good fight against the homosexualists.
Tim Jeals exhaustive biography of B-P, The Boy-Man: The Life of Lord Baden-Powell, was published in 1990. He speculated that B-P could have been a repressed homosexual. Jeal's conclusion was shared by some biographers and disputed by others, but has not yet been examined in any detail by scholars.
1. His father was an Anglican minister. He died when B-P was 3 years old. His widowed mother raised him along with 6 siblings. She was a strong woman who was determined that her children would succeed.
2. B-P had a very close friendship with Kenneth McLaren in their early army service years. McLaren would later marry and die while relatively young.
3. He had very few, if any, female friends over the course of his life.
4. There is no evidence of him ever having a romantic girl friend.
5. His record of correspondence showed apathy for the female body.
6. His record of correspondence showed a keen appreciation for the male body.
7. His record of correspondence with the headmaster of his old public school, Charterhouse School, included a request to see, again, a photo album of nude male students. (Such photos were taken in those days for medical evaluation of range of motion of the limbs, to assess spinal alignment (detect scoliosis) and polio development. This was done for males and females, and was part of medical training in orthopedics and pediatrics and was a standard of medical practice. It was done in the U.S. starting in the 1880s in the Ivy League colleges. Charterhouse was a school for the affluent.)
8. As a child, his sense of dramatics was encouraged which developed into a fondness for acting out skits and plays.
9. He was especially fond of the play/book, Peter Pan; or, the Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up which appeared in 1904.
10. He married Olave St Clair Soames in 1912 when he was 55 and she was 23 (5 years after he founded the Scouting movement in the UK.) Her father thought B-P led her own in hopes of marriage. The evidence does not indicate B-P behaved improprely. Her father would have publicly humiliated B-P had B-P not married his daughter.
11. The evidence suggested that their marriage was not romantically passionate.
12. After siring 3 children with Olave, he arranged separate bedrooms for Olave and him in their home for the rest of his life.
13. Its been 10+ years since I read this book. I recall an account which happened in the earlier years of Scouting in the U.K. B-P was pioneering the start of a long term encampment for boys (i.e., summer camp) and training center for adult volunteers. His friend, William McLaren, purchased the Cranshaw estate in Sewardstonebury, Epping Forest, close to Chingford, London. He went on to donate the property to the Scout Association in 1919. This property became known as Gilwell Park and is still in use today. Anyway, there were several incidents in the 1920s at Gilwell Park where adult Scouters sexually molested youth Scouts during encampments. This problem has plagued Scouting since its earliest days.
Amen x 40
This Catholic says, “God bless the Baptists!” The whole situation is so horrible -— so unbelievable —
I like your thinking. The conservatives are in the majority right now in BSA, but not by much. Purge the liberals by maintaining the current membership policy. Let all the liberals go to the Baden-Powell Scout Association. It crossed the pond and was incorporated in the U.S. in 2002.
1991 today More than 70 local United Way (UW) chapters (out of ~1,400 total) across the land have defunded BSA local councils within their boundaries. Most councils (~294 total in 2013 the number is soft because some council consolidations are still occurring) have several local UW chapters within their boundaries. The UW chapters claimed that their local charters prevented them from distributing funds to non-profit organizations which discriminated. Several corporations during the 1990s announced they would discontinue donations to BSA. They included CVS, Levi-Strauss, SeaFirst Bank, and Wells Fargo. Anecdotal reports from the field indicated that local council professionals were encountering harsh business reactions when they attempted outreach for financial support. The councils most affected were primarily located on the west coast, upper mid-west, and east coast/northeast. In JUL 2003, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a decision by a U.S. District Judge that excluded the BSA from an annual (state government) workplace charitable campaign (United Way) run by the state of CT because of BSA's exclusive membership policy. In MAR 2004, the SCOTUS declined to review the case. Currently on average, UW chapter contributions account for ~ 30% of local councils operating budgets.
And one of the most dangerous things about these pedophiles is that they successfully intimidate their victims into silence thereby guaranteeing their easy access to more victims. When these b@st@rds are alone with the kids they have total control over them. Time and again when we hear about pedophiles finally getting caught it has been years or even many years after they began their crimes. They victimize kids time and time again.
Maybe the NRA should start it’s own Boy Scout organization.
>>intimidate their victims
Slusher threatened to murder his.
A Jeffery Dahmer in the making.
*United Way* is not united at all it is the Divided Way. They have chosen their lot. Let them *discriminate* against God and let us *discriminate* against United Way by not giving one penney to their foul organization. Where I worked before, all the employees were shaken down to make donations to the United Way. They wanted everyone to give something even a small amount so that they could have a 100% donor compliance. I guess it was supposed to show civic pride or something.
Truly awesome idea.
Right you are - "pledge your fair (1%) share." Yeah, the corporate executives really push this crap for their own ego. Of course, UW came up with a shell game to ease potential donors consciences - direct your donation to a specific charity you approve. But what they don't say is that the percentages for all of the approved charities have already been decided in advance. Unspecified $ will be directed away from those specified charities so it all evens out in the wash. If you are going to donate to BSA, do it through your local council's Friends of Scouting annual fund drive.
Everybody seems to be afraid of that big bad word D-I-S-C-R-I-M-I-N-A-T-I-O-N. Discrimination and not recycling are the only two sins left.