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Why Does DHS Need More Bullets Per Officer Than Army?
Investor's Business Daily ^ | April 26, 2013 | IBD EDITORIALS

Posted on 04/26/2013 3:46:50 PM PDT by raptor22

Federal Power: Homeland Security's procurement officer is grilled in Congress on why federal agents who rarely fire weapons need several times more bullets annually than an Army officer. Who or what are they shooting at?

Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz on Thursday asked Nick Nayak, DHS' chief procurement officer, a question we and others have been asking: Why has the Department of Homeland Security been buying so much ammunition?

Dismissed as a concern only of right-wing conspiracy theorists, the reported amounts as high as 2 billion rounds have varied and been explained not as a one-time purchase but a bulk buy over five years to reduce costs. It's one of the rare instances, apparently, a government agency has actually cared about such a thing.

Nayak appeared before Chaffetz's House oversight subcommittee to do what Obama administration officials are loath to do the actual math. Chaffetz has, and his number-crunching raises more questions than DHS has answered to date.

Chaffetz noted that the department currently has more than 260 million rounds in stock. He said the department bought more than 103 million rounds in 2012 and used 116 million that same year among roughly 70,000 agents.

Comparing that with the small-arms purchases by the U.S. Army, he said the DHS is churning through between 1,300 and 1,600 rounds per officer per year, while the Army goes through roughly 350 per officer.

Nayak, acknowledging that the five-tear potential bullet buy could be as high as 750 million rounds, did not contest Chaffetz's math and said the massive buys were needed for training. DHS has procured "approximately 120 million rounds of ammunition per year of all calibers and types and fired approximately the same number of rounds per year, almost exclusively for training purposes," according to Nayak's testimony.

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Praise Obama and pass the ammunition?
1 posted on 04/26/2013 3:46:50 PM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22

So what’s IBD’s opinion on this? It’s posted as an editorial.


2 posted on 04/26/2013 3:50:32 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: raptor22
You don't need guns anymore. We've got you covered.


3 posted on 04/26/2013 3:50:55 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: raptor22

I seem to recall this: “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

Nah, can’t be that.


4 posted on 04/26/2013 3:51:22 PM PDT by ri4dc (Cut your cable. You'll need the extra dough later on. 'This war is lost!' The worst is yet to come.)
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To: raptor22
"And just who is this inconsequential pisant who dares to question my actions?"


5 posted on 04/26/2013 3:56:14 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: raptor22

Simple. They need more so once they destroy the second amendment and declare martial law they can kill more of us.


6 posted on 04/26/2013 3:57:51 PM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: Travis McGee
The only thing that really surprises me about these SWAT/SRT uniforms is that they haven't yet (to my knowledge) started wearing berets.

I've seen SWAT patches and badges that look suspiciously like Ranger tabs, SEAL badges, SAS devices, etc., so it's obvious who they think they are. I'm guessing the "SWAT beret" is just a matter of time.

7 posted on 04/26/2013 3:58:18 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends
Reps challenge DHS ammo buys, say agency using 1,000 more rounds per person than Army
Stockpiling?


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8 posted on 04/26/2013 4:00:03 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: raptor22

Homeland Security said it had 263 million rounds of ammunition stockpiled as of November, which is more than two years’ worth.

In 2012, the department used 88.3 million rounds for training, and 27.9 million rounds for operational purposes. Customs and Border Protection, which includes the Border Patrol, used the most ammunition at nearly 38 million rounds, while Immigration and Customs Enforcement used more than 28 million rounds.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/25/sequester-tight-budgets-means-dhs-buying-less-ammu/#ixzz2RcL0z1lQ
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.....and 27.9 million rounds for operational purposes....

What do they use that many rounds on ‘for operational purposes’ when they have training listed as a separate category?

Any guesses?


9 posted on 04/26/2013 4:03:15 PM PDT by deport
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To: raptor22
Dismissed as a concern only of right-wing conspiracy theorists, the reported amounts as high as 2 billion rounds have varied and been explained not as a one-time purchase but a bulk buy over five years to reduce costs.

If that were true, there should be a pre-existing email trail that supports the concept.

Somebody needs to ask: If the purchases are for that reason, then how much savings per round/box/case would those purchase orders have accomplished over purchase orders totaling 80% of the total? 50% of the total?

In other words, how much, in actual dollars, will they save by purchasing the amount they have issued purchase orders for?

Surely they have those numbers easily available, right?

11 posted on 04/26/2013 4:05:12 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

they wore a raspberry beret, the kind you find a second hand store.


12 posted on 04/26/2013 4:10:41 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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IBD EDITORIAL PING


13 posted on 04/26/2013 4:10:46 PM PDT by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: raptor22

Uh, so they can stop by and shoot you?


14 posted on 04/26/2013 4:14:06 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: onyx

Resist we much....


15 posted on 04/26/2013 4:14:53 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

You betcha.
Pray, keep armed and ready.


16 posted on 04/26/2013 4:16:30 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: onyx
I looked for handgun ammo today at a previous retail supplier.

The store had some other merchandise on the shelves where the handgun ammo used to be displayed. I guess they have no anticipation of carrying inventory in the near future.

17 posted on 04/26/2013 4:21:12 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Whoa. Maybe they were out of stock?


18 posted on 04/26/2013 4:22:14 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: onyx

Maybe they had no reason to reserve any shelf space for handgun ammo for the foreseeable future?


19 posted on 04/26/2013 4:23:33 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: TurboZamboni
they wore a raspberry beret, the kind you find a second hand store.

And if it was warm they wouldn't wear much more?

CC

20 posted on 04/26/2013 4:25:07 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Tease not the dragon, for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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