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California Democrats Move to Allow Non-Citizens on Jury
USBC News ^ | 2013, 04,27 | USBC News Wire

Posted on 04/28/2013 8:41:21 AM PDT by swampthang77

USBC News Wire. Sacramento, California- A California Democratic Party politician, Bob Wieckowski, is pushing a controversial bill which would allow non-citizens to judge American citizens by serving on juries in California.

The bill, which is likely to be struck down by courts as unconstitutional, has already passed the California assembly 45-25 supported by the Democratic Party and liberal Republicans. The bill will now move on to the California Senate.

Critics have questioned the rationale behind such a bill...

(Excerpt) Read more at usbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; california; illegalaliens; illegalsjury; jury; wieckowski
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How is this even being considered. We're not that far gone already are we?
1 posted on 04/28/2013 8:41:22 AM PDT by swampthang77
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To: swampthang77

More proof that doing “recreational drugs” isn’t good for you. It’s also bad for the country.


2 posted on 04/28/2013 8:44:24 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I got expelled from the "fundamental transformation" indoctrination center.)
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To: swampthang77
a jury of their peers...
3 posted on 04/28/2013 8:45:38 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: swampthang77

I wonder how many convictions will be overturned if this actually goes through and the Appellate courts finally get their hands on this.


4 posted on 04/28/2013 8:45:41 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: swampthang77

NEWS FROM THE FUTURE: Bob Wieckowski has just been elected Gov. of the state of Kalifornia.


5 posted on 04/28/2013 8:46:24 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: swampthang77

“How is this even being considered. We’re not that far gone already are we?”

Yes we are that far gone, at least in California.

Once McCain, Rubio, Obama, and Schumer get the immigration bill passed, look for a redefinition of citizenship. It would not surprise me if in 20 years anyone on the planet can step onto US soil and immediately become citizens and qualify for all social benefits including a healthcare, foodstamps, and a full social security pension.


6 posted on 04/28/2013 8:47:05 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: swampthang77
How is this even being considered.

libRATs want non-citizens being tried to have a jury of their peers and they don't give a damn about American citizens.

7 posted on 04/28/2013 8:47:13 AM PDT by South40 (I Love The "New & Improved" Free Republic!)
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To: Chode

That joke is called Mexicans are criminals...


8 posted on 04/28/2013 8:48:05 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: swampthang77
We're not that far gone already are we?

Yes, we are. This part of a planned process to gradually make non citizens equal to *American* citizens. In doing so, they want to dilute and eventually eliminate US sovereignty.

9 posted on 04/28/2013 8:48:12 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: swampthang77

What the hell is happening to our country?


10 posted on 04/28/2013 8:48:37 AM PDT by libertymaker
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To: swampthang77

This latest move will speed up the transfer of wealth from Americans to Mexicans.(Civil Juries) In addition, it will assure the conviction of Euro Americans who have the temerity to defend themselves against assaults by foreigners.


11 posted on 04/28/2013 8:49:17 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: swampthang77

Guaranteed acquittals for non-citizen defendants.


12 posted on 04/28/2013 8:49:40 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: swampthang77

Another step on the road to giving illegal aliens the vote.


13 posted on 04/28/2013 8:50:39 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: libertymaker

Many conservatives decided principles don’t matter and said so.

This is the result.


14 posted on 04/28/2013 8:51:34 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: libertymaker

One could argue that California is not really our country, but, sadly, the evidence is that the state is becoming all too typical of our country.


15 posted on 04/28/2013 8:52:04 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: mardi59

NEWS FROM THE FUTURE: Bob Wieckowski has just been elected Gov. of the state of Commifornia.


16 posted on 04/28/2013 8:52:56 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: The Working Man

I would agree, most all convictions will be overturned. In this case, you can imagine some Chinese guy named Wong who arrives on a Monday (illegally), and is picked to do a jury case by Friday. He has limited use of the English language, no real concepts of American civil law, or even watched a dozen episodes of Perry Mason.


17 posted on 04/28/2013 8:57:32 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: swampthang77

Wonder if the non-citizens will be harassed and face potential jail time if they don’t show up for jury duty?
My daughter had gotten called for jury duty three times in the same year.The 3 rd time she decided she wasn’t going.
Well,the Deputy Sheriff showed up and hauled her off to jail.
The Sheriffs apologized and said this judge is hopping mad and they were sorry ,they had to arrest her.
I got a call from the kids”Our mom’s in jail”.
When I found out what for I nearly died laughing.
Said daughter, I’m glad someone thinks this is funny,now get me out!
I know you dying to know what city......San Francisco!!!!!


18 posted on 04/28/2013 8:57:46 AM PDT by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: SandRat

I just finished jury duty in SoCal and they aren’t lacking for people willing to serve. Out of the pool I was in..only two made attempts to get out of service..out of about 40 questioned by the judge/lawyers.
The troubling thing..to me..was that I never was asked to produce an ID to prove that I was the person on the summons. I just signed and swore. So..some illegal could show up with his cousin’s summons and sit on a jury in CA.


19 posted on 04/28/2013 8:58:43 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Soul of the South

Sort of like the Cloward Pivens approach to intentionally destroying the country.


20 posted on 04/28/2013 8:58:57 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: libertymaker

What McCarthy and the Birchers warned us about 50 to 60 years agoo is happening in waves even more extreme than they imagined and at an exponentional rate.


21 posted on 04/28/2013 9:00:54 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: Oldexpat

I quit serving on juries. I get a doc excuse now. The last couple of juries I was on (one an attempted murder case)I got sick of the stupid liberal azz teachers that are always on the jury. They make the decision harder and last a heckuva lot longer than it should. They cannot follow jury instructions or think rationally.


22 posted on 04/28/2013 9:03:07 AM PDT by sheana
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To: swampthang77
How is this even being considered.

The ‘Why’ is that they (Liberals) wish to erase all differences between citizens and non-citizens.

The IRA did not say we are killing in the name of God. The Muslim terrorist say “There is only one god Allah” as they kill.

The ‘How’ is an interesting question.

I don’t know the process o jury selection in California but in Ohio the jury pool is selected from registered voters. In California perhaps they select from Licensed Drivers maybe?

23 posted on 04/28/2013 9:05:21 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: swampthang77

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t jury duty selections drawn from the voter rolls? Kinda proves the point that illegals are voting out there.


24 posted on 04/28/2013 9:10:14 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: MachIV

“Sort of like the Cloward Pivens approach to intentionally destroying the country.”

One of the reasons for the miracle of the US was it becoming a melting pot. Immigrants love for liberty and equality of opportunity superseded their ethnic and religious identities. They wanted to be Americans, not Germans, Irish, Swedish, English, Polish, or Italian.

Since the 1960’s the progressives in government and academia have done everything possible to destroy the concept of the melting pot. Through affirmative action and government programs they have emphasized racial, ethnic, and religious differences. Today people identify themselves by their gender, their race, their sexual orientation, or their religion. The concept of being a freedom loving American is virtually gone. The concept of equality of opportunity has been totally destroyed with government now taking the role of deciding winners and losers.

The new immigration policy, with the amnesty and “pathway to citizenship” to follow will destroy what is left of the concept of national identity. We will make somewhere between 10 and 20 million people citizens who entered the country illegally and who will receive full benefits of citizenship without any responsibility. Why would someone who broke the law to become a beneficiary of our welfare state feel any obligation to follow other laws or be a responsible citizen? If we allow them to hold dual citizenship (we likely will), they will feed at our table while maintaining loyalty to another nation. The value of American citizenship will be reduced to eligibility for social welfare benefits.


25 posted on 04/28/2013 9:13:14 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: pepsionice

If it wasn’t so sad it would be hilarious!


26 posted on 04/28/2013 9:14:41 AM PDT by swampthang77
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To: peteyd
The 3 rd time she decided she wasn’t going.

What she really wants is not to serve.

So next time she should show up with a copy of on of Rush Limbaugh’s or some other well know (hated) conservative writer. Read it will waiting for the lawyers to go through the selection.

Chances are good the defense will eliminate her from the jury.

Of course living in SF she may have to endure dirty looks and evil comments from other jurors. It may be best to carry the book in her handbag and not get it out until in the court room and put it back before leaving.

27 posted on 04/28/2013 9:17:35 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: EEGator
100%... and i guess that's what they think their peers are
28 posted on 04/28/2013 9:17:55 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: swampthang77

Every damned “reacharound” these thugs can come up with may well be enacted into law unless the people with whom the government is at war resist. This is what it is now. Government is at war with its own people.


29 posted on 04/28/2013 9:19:22 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: swampthang77

APPEAL...AFTER APPEAL...AFTER APPEAL...AFTER APPEAL.In the *Federal* courts,of course,California courts and judges make North Korean ones look fair by comparison.


30 posted on 04/28/2013 9:25:43 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: swampthang77

SECESSION IS THE ONLY ANSWER FOLKS!


31 posted on 04/28/2013 9:27:16 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Soul of the South
If we allow them to hold dual citizenship (we likely will), they will feed at our table while maintaining loyalty to another nation.

I am pretty sure we already do. By judicial fiat if I am not mistaken.

32 posted on 04/28/2013 9:27:24 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Our problem is America is being sold out.

BOTH PARTIES are sending American manufacturing overseas. While keeping our own markets 100% open to all foreign competitors.

Nobody in either party, is advocating for American workers.

We are getting further, and further off-track.


33 posted on 04/28/2013 9:31:26 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Chode

“Facts are stubborn things.”

John Adams


34 posted on 04/28/2013 9:34:01 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Soul of the South

Just a matter of time till I get out of this looney bin.


35 posted on 04/28/2013 9:36:02 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: swampthang77

I wonder what the Liberal’s reaction will be when:

1. California votes to secede from the Union and either a) rejoin Mexico or b) become its own country (Aztlan).
2. About a week later, they will nationalize all the property owned by Caucausians.


36 posted on 04/28/2013 9:40:26 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: swampthang77

Yes we are that far gone, this is the political evil wrought by illegal immigration, liberals and of course democrats.


37 posted on 04/28/2013 9:41:34 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Oldexpat
Just because I wear my miniature cloisonne military ribbons on my suit lapel and report with a military “High and Tight” hair cut, Defense Lawyers usually cast me off any jury.

Gee..., I wonder why? lol

38 posted on 04/28/2013 9:42:06 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: swampthang77
Critics have questioned the rationale behind such a bill

"Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada". Very simple.

Trying to use reason to figure it out is a waste of energy.

39 posted on 04/28/2013 9:44:53 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: swampthang77

Could this possibly be legal? Jury of peers or jury of and by the world?


40 posted on 04/28/2013 9:48:43 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: swampthang77
Been heading that way for a while - been a few years since a SCOTUS "babe" announced that international law should be considered when judging "constitutionality" of cases.

Welcome to the place that knows a lot and can turn you into a politics/religion/social-issue junky too.

41 posted on 04/28/2013 10:00:04 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Soul of the South

Well said, hyphen-Americans just don’t seem serious to me either...


42 posted on 04/28/2013 10:09:58 AM PDT by swampthang77
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To: swampthang77

Good thing for Obama they didn’t try to pass this when he was a student at Occidental College, or he might have had to serve on a jury.


43 posted on 04/28/2013 10:20:12 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: swampthang77

That’s one way for illegals to get a jury of their criminal peers.


44 posted on 04/28/2013 10:25:01 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: swampthang77

Auto-damn-matically a mistrial. In the US, non-citizens are NOT any citizen’s peers.


45 posted on 04/28/2013 10:45:34 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: swampthang77

Can you imagine NOT appealing on those grounds?


46 posted on 04/28/2013 10:49:49 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ScottinVA
“Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t jury duty selections drawn from the voter rolls? Kinda proves the point that illegals are voting out there.”

In Kali they also use DMV records for jury call up records. You need to keep the summons that shows you were called in the previous year so as to stop a visit from the “system”. Its easy to get off the jury in SF. Just profess a belief in capital punishment and carry your own Bible if you are called up in the Voire Dire process. You usually get bounced out of the jury pool then you are free to go.

47 posted on 04/28/2013 11:36:10 AM PDT by Polynikes (Yo Homie. That my briefcase?)
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To: ScottinVA
“Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t jury duty selections drawn from the voter rolls? Kinda proves the point that illegals are voting out there.”

In Kali they also use DMV records for jury call up records. You need to keep the summons that shows you were called in the previous year so as to stop a visit from the “system”. Its easy to get off the jury in SF. Just profess a belief in capital punishment and carry your own Bible if you are called up in the Voire Dire process. You usually get bounced out of the jury pool then you are free to go.

48 posted on 04/28/2013 11:36:51 AM PDT by Polynikes (Yo Homie. That my briefcase?)
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To: swampthang77

The “I no speaky Engrish” crowd is going to be pretty mad at that. That is how they all get out of jury duty.

Sat behind an old Asian guy and his daughter whispering in English. The Clerk calls his name from the jury pool to sit as an alternate on the Jury. Pa and Daughter approach the bench and the Daughter says, “My father doesn’t speak any English”.

Dismissed. Simple as that.

As long as you are not white, all you need is a liar in the family to perjur herself in court and deny you speak the common “Engrish”.

I use to have high hopes that immigrants would save us because the would appreciate the huge difference between the freedom they have and the oppression they left.

Nope. Most are ingrates that take advantage of the freedom they now have, while voting for all the socialism they left.

US immigrants used to assimilate. Now they colonize.


49 posted on 04/28/2013 11:57:23 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: libertymaker

You know damn well what is happening to you are county. It is declining toward fall. You are losing your country. We are racing toward soft socialism on the way to totalitarian tyranny. We are becoming England, on the way to Italy, ending with Russia.

You know exactly what is happening to this country. The heartbreaking question is “how do we stop it”? Because their is no stopping it. Our UN loving masters who are at the core of the New World Order takeover, are among the most vehement in orchestrating our collapse.

We are being hanged by our own rope we made.


50 posted on 04/28/2013 12:01:09 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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