Skip to comments.Fifth-grader suspended at overnight nature camp for bringing Swiss Army knife
Posted on 04/29/2013 6:19:09 AM PDT by marktwain
A fifth-grader in Cupertino, California was suspended and threatened with expulsion for bringing a small Swiss Army knife on a school-sponsored, science-oriented camping trip.
In early April, Braden Bandermanns class set off on Garden Gate Elementary Schools annual, week-long pilgrimage for fifth-graders to Marin Headlands, just north of San Francisco.
Before leaving, Braden did what any Silicon Valley 10-year-old faced with the perils of nature might do: He packed his trusty Swiss Army knife. As any camper knows, the multi-tool device is nothing if not versatile. Bradens particular model contains a can opener, tweezers, a toothpick, a nail file, a tiny pair of scissors and a small blade.
The little blade landed the boy in big trouble.
They called me, explained Tony Bandermann, Bradens father. They said, You have to come and get him. He has a weapon. He needs to be suspended or possibly expelled.
At the time, the elder Bandermann was on a business trip in Sacramento, roughly 100 miles away. His wife, Bradens stepmother, was at the camp with Braden, but they had arrived by bus and had no private transportation. (Bradens mother was also unable to go to the camp so that he could serve a suspension.)
The school principal, Brandi Hucko, allegedly wanted Bandermann to rush to the site of the science camp, pick Braden up for a one-day suspension and then deliver him back to camp.
Bandermann told The Daily Caller that he was frustrated over Huckos insistence that I risk my job and go get him out of the program for a one-day suspension all over a Swiss Army knife.
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Knives are arms protected by the Second Amendment.
It’s only like the first thing anyone would bring with them if they went camping.
This is the epitome of absurdity. Someone needs to get bashed and beaten and it isn’t the little boy.
When I was a Scout, we had to have our whittling chip before we could carry our Swiss Army knife. Prior to that, we were allowed to keep them in our bags but not on a lanyard on our belts.
The pussification of our boys continues unabated. Is it any wonder why our boys are having trouble in school and life?
You are right about the policies but keep in mind that we also have adults — teachers and other educators — who implement them. I don’t know what adult in their right mind would suspend a child for doing something this innocent. It traumatizes the child for no reason. It teaches the child that there is no connection between bad intent and punishment. It teaches a child to be fearful of authority figures, or to not respect them. Ultimately, these policies will be very damaging to our society when the kids who had to suffer through them become young adults.
Wow, times have really changed. I remember getting a cub scouts pocket knife in 1976. I was so proud of that knife I carried it every day in my pocket to school and everywhere else. It was not an issue then. It seems these days that the innocent are punished while the guilty have excuses made for their behavior.
How is a kid supposed to learn about surviving in nature if he doesn’t have a knife. We always carried pocket knives and when we were on a Scout camping trip we all had hunting knives. Hard to make a lean-to without a knife. Honesty, if really hard times ever come to the West most of the population would die within a couple of months due to a complete lack of knowledge of how to survive outside a modern urban environment.
I have fond memories of our son buying his first Swiss Army Knife. He had completed his whittling badge in Boy Scouts. He had saved his own money. It took him forever to decide from among the three or four in the store that he could afford. I wonder if he still has it. I also remember playing with my big brother’s knife. I still have the scar. It closed on my finger and it took several months for the healing process to complete since it cut deeply into the quick of my middle finger.
the whole zero tolerance is ridiculous. my daughters (7 and 9) each have a small gerber knife. they know when and how to use them, they carry them the whole time they’re with me. i have no fear that they’ll do anything “bad” with them. the only supervision they get with them is to make sure they don’t take them to school.
Each and every day we are presented with more reasons to eliminate public schools and to imprison and torture all public school administration officials.
Principals and superintendents go to Gitmo, where special water boarding rooms equiped with 120db hip hop music will be awaiting these slime balls.
Does your child go to public school?
This is why kids are afraid of their own shadow. They can’t even draw a picture without consequences. Kids don’t know the difference between right and wrong because it seems everything is wrong. Our armed forces will pay dearly in the very near future.
The ‘camping’ trip about ‘science’ in California is not about survival. It is about environmental indoctrination. There is no cutting of trees to make lean tos.
Think it through folks.
If people fear knives from childhood, fear guns, believe man is a cancer and all the other propaganda, when they hit adulthood, they vote accordingly.
Search 1963 Communist goals and have a pencil handy to check off all the things you see happening.
Groucho Marx’ statement about not wanting to belong to a club that would have him as a member is more prolific than ever.
I am not sure I would want my family or myself taking part in organizations that have such single sighted vision.
The step mother was there(?- accordingly), common sense would say, if you don’t want the kid to have an ESSENTIAL tool, that fits the adventure, confiscate it, give it to the mother or guardian and be done with it. Oh yes, return it at the end of the week and maybe revise the ‘What is allowed and what isn’t list’.
The kid may have just been arming himself in case of an animal attack (2 legged, boogy man), they are in SF after all. (of course if you have female counselors - leader appears to be F, plus mentions mothers)
ANOTHER great, informative headline.
Doesn’t ANYONE read this stuff anymore?
The headline cites an ‘overnighter’, the story says the father should pick the kid up for a ONE DAY suspension and return them, then it says the camp is for a week.
“The school principal, Brandi Hucko”
IMO, female principals are a large percentage of the problem in public schools. They do not understand young males, bonding, the need for adventure, competition and proving yourself. They consider everything that’s sharp and pointy a weapon, and want to ban any activity that can lead to injury. Unless the little boys act like little girls they think something is wrong with them.
If the Kenyan-in-Thief wasn't battering-down the Pentagon to allow homosexuals into the platoons & squads,
wasn't allowing for D.o.D. propaganda that labels Catholics & Protestant Christians as "Domestic Terrorists...
...then maybe--just maybe--the near-future of our Armed Forces would Not be so-imminent.
“He has a weapon.”
How utterly stupid many of today’s so-called educators are!
It reminds me of a few years ago when flying out of San Diego’s Lindbergh Field. I had purchased a small toy revolver from the Roy Rogers Museum for one of my grandsons.
When the carryon conveyed up the belt and under the X-Ray the female idiot security screener jumped back, threw her hands up in the air and shouted “He has a gun!”
The damned thing was about eight inches long and it took 45 minutes to get the situation straightened out.
It was inevitable. After the guns - then the knives - one with points and blades anyway.
Baseball bats will be next.
I think they should re-name their policy a zero reason policy. Instead of judging each situation with reason they just declare that they will judge all situations the same which means not at all. Of course these days so many people are just waiting to sue over anything and everything you almost can’t blame these schools. Almost. I tell you the more I read the news and watch what is going on the more I want to just sell everything and move as far away from other human beings as possible. I’m serious. The world has gotten so screwy, I don’t recognize it any more and it seems like it has mainly happened since 2000.
“Wow, times have really changed”.
I have the feeling that this outdoor camp is like MCPS school “outdoor ed”. Not required, but implemented for 6th graders. A two day overnight camp designed to talk about water pollution, air quality etc... an environmental instruction vs a true outdoor education trip. In short, a liberal camping trip thus no room for true outdoors education/tools.
Tolerance Intelligence policies reflect an inability or unwillingness on the part of supposed adults to make value judgments; to distinguish, to discriminate. But increasingly, they cannot or will not do so.
Such failure is a symptom of our society's moral and ethical collapse in the face of the Progressive ideology. Because "discrimination is... mmm... y'know, bad, m'kay???"
And that's why we're pretty much doomed.
Post one liberal icon against another.
IMO, female principals are a large percentage of the problem in public schools”
...I would tend to agree with one exception. My daughters HS principle is a female and very conservative. I ran into her at a tea party a few years ago and she supports Ken Cuccinelli for Va Gov! I feel very fortunate that we have her.
I wonder what they said up on the camping trip when they came across the old Nike Missile site up there? Probably something to the effect these were weapons of imperial war mongers. Frankly, I wish they would reactivate the site, tie the principal to one of the air defense missiles and launch her into the stratosphere.
You know why they have “zero tolerance” policies?
Because the person that makes a judgment call is responsible for that decision.
I’m not saying it’s because of lawyers... but... it’s because of lawyers.
On the more “cosmic battle” scale, Satan is continuing his unabated attack on the concept of “father”, which builds on the concept of “man”.
So, how was he supposed to dissect a frog?
Unfortunately these so called authority figures do not deserve any respect.
It should be clear to all. The only fix for this crap is to put an end to government schools. All education must be private.
Government run schools was just a bad idea from the outset but years of taxpayer funded, government serving government institutions have turned our schools into left wing cesspools.
It should be a school requirement to bring a utility knife when camping and to know how to use it.
In the ‘70’s, on a school field trip to Philadelphia, I bought a promotional 2” bowie knife with the 76ers logo on it. Probably couldn’t have stabbed butter with that Taiwanese blade, but neither did I get in trouble.
Now, my youngest son loves knives. But he knows better than to take one to his Christian school. Girl got in trouble there for bringing a butter knife in with her lunch.
Not sure how much trouble. Probably “don’t ever bring that here again” rather than national spotlight for being expelled, but she’s still used as an example for the rest.
I think you’re right. It reminds me of Atlas Shrugged where everyone in society is afraid to take any responsibility or think because they know they will be punished for it.
When we go hiking my teenage son usually has a multi blade knife in his pocket, a good folding buck knife in the backpack and a ka-bar on his belt. If he could get away with it I’m sure he’d strap one of his machetes to his pack.
I don’t think he’d do well in California schools.
Perhaps, as a Christian school, they would be amenable to reason. Indoctrinating the young with the idea that the carry of knives is unacceptable is a bad idea.
They could promote responsibility by having a class similar to the Boy Scouts, and allowing those who took it to carry knives.
Just a thought.
Public schools aren’t needed today. They’re obsolete and should be phased out. Read the comments at the end of the article. They are scathing. There is virtually no support for this school’s actions.
Ten years ago or so, you would read articles such as this one and many people supported zero tolerance. Well, they don’t anymore. It won’t take much longer for them to decide not support public schools, either.
These parents should never permitted their son to go on this trip. Who wants the public schools to have authority over their child for five days and nights?
God only knows what else is going on there.
***I was so proud of that knife I carried it every day in my pocket to school****
In the late 1950s or early ‘60s if you wanted to be considered one of the boys you had to have a folding pocket knife (any brand) and a small whetstone.
At noon we would all get together and sharpen knives while talking about anything.
And if someone took a large hunting knife to school it caused no panic as everyone knew he was in leathercraft class. Same for kids with pistols.
Today’s massive culture of fear began after the murder of Bobby Kennedy.
-— The whole Bismarkian model of schooling is obsolete. With the Internet, we do not need the old model of brick and mortar schools for basic education. They are an expensive anachronism that is being used to destroy our culture and Western civilization.-—
It happened after Columbine and all the schools jumped on the zero tolerance/zero brains bandwagon.
Nothing was ever said about bringing a knife to school or leaving it home in the future. Just to cut away from yourself.
I’m a Scout leader and encourage my scouts to carry a knife. I also spent last week at the FIRST Robotics World Championships. I suspect a large percentage of the 20,000 competitors had knives because they are indispensable tools. We also had unfettered use of reciprocating saws, band saws, drills, grinders and countless other tools. If you want to see some young people performing at their best, youtube 2013 FRC Championship.
SAK: Useful tool.
The principal: Useless tool.
The reformed church the school is affiliated with has a CCC (Calvinist Cadet Corp) chapter that my boy belongs to. It's run by one of the teachers at the school (all-around great guy, and role-model for my oldest boy who is studying to be a teacher). At their camp outs, the boys are allowed to bring pocket knives, and can whittle away during supervised activities. However, the school rules remain separate.
A world run by silly women and queers
Nobody. That’s the point.