Skip to comments.Managers to Millennials: Job Interview No Time to Text
Posted on 04/29/2013 1:01:29 PM PDT by detective
Newly minted college graduates soon entering the job market could be facing another hurdle besides high unemployment and a sluggish economy. Hiring managers say many perform poorlysometimes even bizarrelyin job interviews.
Human resource professionals say they've seen recent college grads text or take calls in interviews, dress inappropriately, use slang or overly casual language, and exhibit other oddball behavior.
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Because everyone gets a trophy for showing up!
Agreed...young people are such babies today. They’ve had everything handed to them...never really had to compete in the real world. In school, everybody is given a trophy.
You get the feeling that if they ever had a difficult, business issue, they’d ask their mom, then wet their panties.
A far easier interview tactic is to simply ask them who they voted for.
An “Obama” answer verifies that the potential employee is a fool with little judgement in economics, science, morality, or common sense.
Give them the the address of the food stamp gubmit site and kick their sorry as...er....smelly Obama out the do’.
That’s where they’re gonna end up anyway.
Another message: Lose the tattooes and the piercings. Put on a suit and tie.
To put it in terms they might understand, “Loose” the tattoos.
My wife works with some colleges on preparing these kids for the job market. Most of the colleges she calls on to sell her services aren’t interested. They tell her they know what they are doing.
It’s good for a chuckle.
Work while attending school.
Be able to claim you paid for all or part of your school.
I recently advised a finance major to graduate with a CFA.
Study oversees is a plus.
Going to college on athletic scholarship is also helpful, especially if you can leverage the alumni relationships.
On the other hand, competent and professional young men and women stick out like a sore thumb. They don’t have any trouble getting jobs because there is not so much competition.
Interesting, I would think in this day your wife has a gold mine, but I can see the arrogance of the college. Ever consider private preparation classes?
I’ve often wondered why young people today seem to unablel to TURN OFF THE PHONE!
The doofus generation.
I love how they think they are so informed and we (older gens) are the problem.
“We don’t need no steenking job. We can always just get together and vote to take whatever YOU have.”
This goes both ways. Yeah you’re a moron if you text during interviews, but the interviewers can do their part and resist the urge to text, email or take phone calls while you’re trying to talk.
Happened more times than I can count. I actually walked out of one interview for that reason. Respect is a two-way street.
So does this mean the 50-somethings, college grads have half a chance at getting jobs?
A lifetime of Participation Trophies, Play Dates, and Mom’s Taxi instills a certain attitude of entitlement and lack of respect for everyone. I’m surprised they don’t bring a sandwich to the interview.
My daughter now 24 played soccer on scholarship at a Junior College. Books and tuition, nothing to sneeze at.
We always insisted she work and carry her portion of the car insurance and cell phone. Other parents thought we were awful to expect this of her.
After she finished at the Junior College she came home and worked. We told her we were not going to pay for her to finish her degree. Around a year and a half later she married (a Godly man) and is working again, putting away enough to pay for her last two years.
Even in this economy she has never been without a job. Waiting tables, babysitting, counselor at a local space camp. Whatever it took.
She agrees that many her age don't know how to work, manage money or time.
>>So does this mean the 50-somethings, college grads have half a chance at getting jobs?
No. Nobody wants to hire anyone over 40 and then they complain about how the people they do hire have no work ethic. They claim they want “energy” and all they get is a slack-jawed person who texts all day and thinks that work is that stuff that mom and dad used to do.
“...says Jaime Fall, vice president of the HR Policy Association. “The interview is still a traditional environment.””
Hint: The real world hasn’t changed that much. Except that now wmany of us have the layers of an HR culture in addition to the traditional (pre)employment process to deal with.
I once turned down a job because the business owner took a call from his wife in the middle of my interview, and he was so nasty and miserable to her, I could not imagine what it would be like to actually work for him.
Nothing wrong with discreet tattoos and piercings. I have lots of tattoos and piercings. If I take out my earrings (which I would do for any interview) none are visible, nor are any visible in my business attire (shirt, tie and slacks).
Colleges tend to fill students’ heads with a sense of entitlement. They push the idea that companies are just dying to hire them so naturally they think they can play ping-pong on their break and bring their dog to work.
She did. No money in that. However she has found a niche going after the college business programs. They are interested in this stuff and they have money.
Apparently you don’t need to know interviewing etiquette if you plan on working at Starbucks.
Love em or hate em Millennials are huge cohort to deal with in the workplace. They are about 85 million people whereas Gen X is about 40 million people...
“So does this mean the 50-somethings, college grads have half a chance at getting jobs?”
Not really. And especially not if they are long-term unemployed. We have been bypassing a lot of the long-term unemployed because they have become feral.
Yep the workplace is an alien landscape these days. I was shocked when I started seeing cell phones on the factory floor for personal calls.
I second your statement. In 1979 when I was just starting out, I interviewed for a job at Citibank’s Manhattan headquarters. I showed up at the appointed time, and sat outside the HR person’s office for an hour and a half. Her office had windows, so she could see that I was there. She see talked the whole time on the phone to her sister about her sister’s upcoming wedding. After an hour and a half, she got up and left her office. I waited for another half hour before finally going to the receptionist who said “Oh, she left a half hour ago”. I wrote a letter to the top HR executive at Citibank, and I’m sure she caught hell for it. A few days later, they called me back for an interview with a more senior level HR person. But they didn’t hire me.
He said of his recent interviews: "....And they just didn't care that I have a four-year degree. They're just GIVING people jobs that have experience, but only a HS diploma! It's Not Fair!!"
I managed to restrain myself from laughing. Suggested that he revamp his interviewing skills and resume to highlight his work-study experience on the campus Help Desk. Will see what happens. I don't know the kid well, but based on what little I've seen, there's no way I'd give him a job.
I've interviewed 100's of entry level candidates over the years and can cofirm what your daughter has seen. Last place I worked, we started out looking for a Help Desk person with a little experience, and a laundry list of 'nice-to-haves'.
We wound up with "Must show up on time, and not curse at the interviewer."
Let me guess, you are one of the social media generation?
They aren’t doing that at Texas A&M.
My son is a freshman there. He’s been in for some culture shock since he’s from California.
He says that kids at A&M work hard!
We’ve been visiting colleges (so far mostly in California) with my younger twins daughters. During their spring break, we visited my son at A&M. I noticed that everywhere we went on campus, there were kids studying. At the coffee shop, kids had their computers and books and were taking notes.
I was impressed!
I’ve been very happy with A&M so far. I went there many years ago, and it seems they are still doing a good job.
Mrs WBill teaches at a local Community College. I suggested your wife's same idea to her, a few years back. I think it's great....How to dress, etiquette for business meetings, lunches, business speech (communications), resume writing, networking, and so on and so on....
She also thought it was brilliant. She ran it up the chain of command, and got your response. "Thanks, but no thanks......we got this.", approximately.
I suppose that when you're graduating kids who can barely read and do basic math, then "Interviewing skills" aren't high on the list. And, they're probably racist, anyway.
A far easier interview tactic is to simply ask them who they voted for.
Only an idiot would answer that question.
Only a bigger idiot would ask it.
Same here. I could understand a emergency call, but has one interviewer take a clearly personal call. I waited a few minutes to see if they would hang up, they didn’t. When I got up to leave, they hung up, asked me to sit down. I did. They then asked me to remind them were we left off. I walked out.
I interviewed probably 60 to 80 entry-level employees for my small business over the years. I really preferred a high-school graduate who had worked some temp jobs in different fields to a new college graduate.
The bright, well-spoken high school graduates seemed to be able to learn new skills faster and more willingly than the college grads who majored in one field and could get stuck in a rut. Also, I had a lot of independent contractors who had basically just gone to trade school and made significantly more money than the college grads, which caused a lot of resentment in the workplace.
Be able to claim you paid for all or part of your school.
You are aware of what college costs these days, aren't you?
Pardon my ignorance. What is a space camp? Is it where the kids take up space? Do they teach them to fill the space between their ears?
Kid I talked to is some kind of an IT major from a 4-year college. I wasn't interested in hiring him, so honestly, I just tuned out that bit. Additionally, I told him that most of my team only had HS diplomas.....they got their technical training OJT from Uncle Sam.
He really, really didn't like that. But, to his credit, he kept his mouth shut. Might be a little hope for him, just not where I'm working now.
You are aware of what college costs these days, aren’t you?
Apparently you are not.
Towson University in Towson Maryland, oneof Maryland’s state schools is about 4200/semester for a full time student not living on campus. A little over 2 grand if you take but 6 credits per semester.
2 year community colleges with AA degrees considerably less.
When I recruited IT a few years back, where you went to school was meaningless. Of course we didn’t get a lot of Ivy League applicants down here in MD.
Quite a few times it has been the interviewer that seems distracted, not interested, or actually has no clue what they are doing. It makes me think they have already decided on someone and are just going through the motions.
Leadership and people skills are always in short supply.
As a father of four, with three entering school next year, I am well aware of college costs. But there are solutions if kid are taught no free rides...
Son #1 will graduate in June. He will graduate in three years and still spent a semester oversees. He had multiple scholarships. With scholarships and trimming a year off school, he saved $92K in tuition (we to private school). He also went online to get books saving thousands of dollars. Do a WSJ search on the trend in graduating early and how kids do it.
Daughter decided to go to community college on scholarship which was good decision for her. Will continue to work.
Son will enter the Air National Guard and sit out one year. Will then go to school on a combination of GI Bill and State Program for Guard Members (100% paid tuition). He garnered a special job and will get double GI monthly payments ($700 instead of $350). Also monthly drill pay. Also, $20K signing bonus. Kid will have more money than me when he graduates.
Last daughter going to a fine state school. Good grades and ACT (not excellent) got her about 30% scholarship. Her visit to the school included meeting with manager of a sandwich shop which at home she works at. They will give her a job.
Ahh, the usual two minute hate against young folks.
We’re all just useless eaters who won’t amount to anything!
Yes, it’s amazing what the actual stories are like out there. You did a good job with your kids.
Peace + Blessings sir!
One place I worked at “banned” them but 95% of the people out there were H’s people so it was OK. I observed the rule though, pointless as it was except for one time where I took a call from a contracting recruiter was going to quit in a couple of days anyway.
Where I am now, cell phones for the most part don’t work since the facility is in the middle of nowhere except in a few known good spots. In my cube data works ok but voice doesn’t.
At break time it is fun to watch the herds run to the good reception areas.
I only hire former marines, rangers, seals, or other specialties of the military. They always show up, on time, ready to work, are willing to learn, are willing to start at the bottom, and take constructive criticism and improve their work.
they are the best employees I have. Makes me look good. We all look good.
I believe they do know what they are doing. Maybe their goal isn’t to get their grads hired out. Their goal is to get those who fail at getting jobs to come back to their school, take on more debt and study for another degree.
If the grad’s original degree, with your wife’s preparation, was enough to earn them jobs, the schools would get less advanced degree money.
And, I was worried if my shoes were polished enough.
My company had to send out an email regarding their latest IT policy changes:
* We’re blocking Netflix on the corporate network. Apparently, people got bored and were watching TV shows and movies - at work, on work computers, and consuming a big chunk of network.
* Pandora radio getting blocked. Bandwidth issue, plus noise factor for some employees who couldn’t help but share their music choices.
* Youtube getting blocked for everyone but marketing and business intelligence. You have to get permission to access it.
but they aren’t fifty year old white guys. You can see why they keep hiring the youngsters.