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The GAO IS Now Investigating The DHS Ammo Purchases
Breitbart ^ | 4/29/13 | Debra Heine

Posted on 04/29/2013 8:48:22 PM PDT by Nachum

Last Thursday, Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz, who chairs one of the House oversight subcommittees, held a hearing to find out why the Department of Homeland Security has been ordering so much ammunition. "It is entirely ... inexplicable why the Department of Homeland Security needs so much ammunition," Chaffetz said at the hearing.

He revealed that the department currently has more than 260 million rounds in stock.

He said the department bought more than 103 million rounds in 2012 and used 116 million that same year -- among roughly 70,000 agents.

Comparing that with the small-arms purchases procured by the U.S. Army, he said the DHS is churning through between 1,300 and 1,600 rounds per officer, while the U.S. Army goes through roughly 350 rounds per soldier... He noted that is "roughly 1,000 rounds more per person."

Now, according to US News Washington Whispers, the GAO is looking into the ammo purchases.

The congressional investigative agency is jumping into the fray just as legislation was introduced in both the Senate and the House to restrict the purchase of ammo by some government agencies (except the Department of Defense). The AMMO Act, introduced Friday, would prevent agencies from buying more ammunition if "stockpiles" are greater than what they were in previous administrations.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; dhs; gao; guncontrol; nra; purchases; secondamendment

1 posted on 04/29/2013 8:48:22 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 04/29/2013 8:49:04 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

We all know damned well why they are doing it


3 posted on 04/29/2013 8:52:04 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (3 guns when you only have one arm? "I just don't want to get killed for lack of shooting back")
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To: Nachum

Bump


4 posted on 04/29/2013 8:53:20 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Nachum

Can the GAO actually DO anything about these purchases? For example, sell the excess inventory on the general market?


5 posted on 04/29/2013 8:55:09 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Nachum

DHS has some contingency plan or supporting memos that justify the amount of ammo it has warehoused. It is only a matter of time before someone leaks enough so we can get a glimpse into this expensive and possibly dangerous stockpile.

Given budget realities, when the justification no longer can stand political scrutiny, since this is stockpile is so way beyond its rational needs, it will be forced to disgorge at least some of it. Any quantity of surplus sale will have an effect on market prices. However, this eventuality is at least one presidential election away.


6 posted on 04/29/2013 8:57:23 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Nachum

More folks ought to read about Chaffetz. He’s a rising star who made the transformation from Liberal to Conservative by using his mind. Here’s hoping he smokes out the ammo stockpile nonsense.


7 posted on 04/29/2013 9:00:19 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Nachum
used 116 million that same year

Starting to wonder if that 116 million was really used, lots of other possibilities other than it was really used.
Where's the spent brass, where's the documentation that it was used?
Surely agents had to sign out for it.

8 posted on 04/29/2013 9:03:02 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Nachum

>> roughly 70,000 agents

The hundreds of millions of rounds is only the tip of the iceberg.

THat we pay seventy thousand agents to belong to an unconstitutional federal police force/paramilitary unit — THAT is the REAL problem.

Consider that these US SS forces — all seventy THOUSAND of them — couldn’t stop two Chechen rebels from killing and maiming hundreds.

Yet apparently they have time to put more than a thousand rounds downrange APIECE — as well as write up internal training materials painting law-abiding Christians as the enemy.

THIS is an OUTRAGE.


10 posted on 04/29/2013 9:09:25 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nachum

And just think.

WE get to pay for it! Every single round!

Isn’t that special?


11 posted on 04/29/2013 9:16:39 PM PDT by Tigerized ("..and whack 'em, and whack 'em, and whack 'em!' cried the Toad in ecstasy." (continuing in 2013))
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To: theBuckwheat

“DHS has some contingency plan or supporting memos that justify the amount of ammo it has warehoused. It is only a matter of time before someone leaks enough so we can get a glimpse into this expensive and possibly dangerous stockpile.”

I do believe that someone will crack on this, or they already have, and it is being sat on by the ‘pubs until the 2014 election cycle (AS THOUGH THEY WERE ACTUALLY SMART ENOUGH TO DO THIS).


12 posted on 04/29/2013 9:16:57 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is v?ery late in the day.")
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To: vette6387

Yes, Chaffetz is impressive and I’ve never seen him back down. Let’s hope he sticks this out.


13 posted on 04/29/2013 9:26:07 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: vette6387

Chaffetz, Gowdy, Cruz ...maybe there is hope afterall.


14 posted on 04/29/2013 9:28:07 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Nachum

As by all accountable records and historical accounts, the last year that any federal agency, civilian or military, had any revolvers on inventory, was 1991. 1992, all agencies transitioned to the Beretta M9, and retired all .38 Special caliber firearms.

WHAT THE HECK IS THE REASON THAT DHS HAS BEEN BUYING A WHOLE LOT OF AMMUNITION, FOR A FIREARM THAT HAS NOT BEEN IN ANY ACTIVE GOVERNMENT INVENTORY, SINCE 1992????????????????

WHICH BRINGS A SECOND QUESTION ... SINCE IT IS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS STOPPED ALL SALES OF FIRED AMMUNITION CASES, WHY ARE ALL THE COMMERCIAL REMANUFACTURING HOUSES STATING THAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCING MAJOR LOT ORDERS??? FROM WHOM??!?!?


15 posted on 04/29/2013 9:40:07 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: tbw2

Will they is a better question.


16 posted on 04/29/2013 9:45:49 PM PDT by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: Nervous Tick

and buying all-white person targets to shoot those hundred million rounds at.


17 posted on 04/29/2013 9:49:29 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The question that was asked of the military was “will you shoot an American?” should have been, “Will you shoot a white person?”


18 posted on 04/29/2013 10:02:58 PM PDT by batterycommander (a little more rubble, a lot less trouble)
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To: Terry L Smith

Not all agencies transferred to the Beretta. Feds are carrying Sigs and HKs, and Glocks.


19 posted on 04/29/2013 10:04:22 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Terry L Smith

If the rounds are supposedly being spent, not merely hoarded, and are therefore not recoverable, could the objective be an “ammo laundering” scheme, where the ammo is purged out of our system and mysteriously shows up in older weapons that CAN use it, such as might be found in the overseas killing fields of the Arab Spring?


20 posted on 04/29/2013 10:06:49 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: vette6387
More folks ought to read about Chaffetz. He’s a rising star who made the transformation from Liberal to Conservative by using his mind. Here’s hoping he smokes out the ammo stockpile nonsense.
____________________________________________________________________________

But but but... he's a Mormon! That doesn't go over too well for many here.

21 posted on 04/29/2013 10:08:03 PM PDT by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)
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To: theBuckwheat

Good Point.

These ammo orders were not all made by the same person or from just one manufacturer. Several people were “ordered” to buy ammunition. And those that gave the order likely were also instructed to do so. There are likely at least hundreds of people that must have been involved but only a few that might know WHY.

The best of the investigators/journalists/reporters is going to have to find the people that made the call or issued the purchase order on behalf of the government and start working backwards. Why did you place these orders? Who directed you? Etc.

Are there any real investigators left? We couldn’t crack Bengazi. And the whole world witnessed that mess.

Do


22 posted on 04/29/2013 10:09:33 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: Nachum

23 posted on 04/29/2013 10:10:03 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: dandiegirl

Steve King, Tom McClintock, and Mike Lee, too!!


24 posted on 04/29/2013 10:29:47 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: The Cajun

Well that’s exactly it. Of course they didn’t use that much more than they actually had purchased 116M rounds vs 103M rounds. They are probably sending them to South America or North Korea, or some other commie buddy or socialist group they love. Perhaps the Black Panthers and Obama’s “Civilian Security Corps”, or whatever else he has planned. FUBO and your “most transparent administration in history.”

>used 116 million that same year
>Starting to wonder if that 116 million was really used, >lots of other possibilities other than it was really used.
>Where’s the spent brass, where’s the documentation that it >was used?
>Surely agents had to sign out for it.


25 posted on 04/29/2013 10:46:42 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.g)
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To: Terry L Smith

Many agencies throughout government still issue and carry the S&W 640 as a backup firearm. They would qualify with it at least twice a year if not more.

That is a revolver and each agent probably shoots 100-150 rounds a year on the range. The Bureau of Prisons still issue .38 revolvers to some guards for transport or prison security duties. They train at FLETC with ammo obtained by HSI.

Sorry, but your information is factually wrong. All agencies did not transition to the M9 Beretta although most agencies did transition to modern semi-automatic handguns of various makes and models. Almost all of them still continued to issue and carry backup pistols and the majority of those (until the subcompacts hit the market) remained the snub-nosed .38 revolver.

Even with the popularity of subcompact semi-auto pistols there are still tens of thousands of snubnose .38’s out there. If you assume a low end of 100 rounds a year per active agent and several hundred rounds for new hires in training it can add up. Everyone that is issued one has to qualify with it twice a year at a minimum.


26 posted on 04/29/2013 11:34:18 PM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: Secret Agent Man

116,000,000/70,000=1657.

1657 rounds per person. That would be a little less than 3 boxes per month if they practiced every month, which I somehow doubt.


27 posted on 04/29/2013 11:52:59 PM PDT by DaiHuy (May God save the country, for it is evident the people will not! Millard Fillmore)
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To: tbw2

Its going overseas maybe to Syria.


28 posted on 04/29/2013 11:58:05 PM PDT by x_plus_one (John Ransom: truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: NonValueAdded
We all know damned well why they are doing it

Best post of the thread.

29 posted on 04/30/2013 12:48:07 AM PDT by SIDENET
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To: theBuckwheat

I don’t think there is some ‘secret’ plan to this whole deal....it’s more like kids in a candy store. This recent episode where they bought several thousand of these armored trucks that the Army used in Afghanistan and Iraq....’manly-toys’, with billions spent on them. The fancy new uniforms that TSA got....same deal. I think the list goes on and on, with night-vision goggles, quad-bikes, etc.

The one thing I’ve noticed over the past thirty years being around the US military...the ‘kids in a candy store’ mentality has taken over and a vast amount of money is spent each year on questionable items. No one seems to worry about audits.

Here we find DHS officers firing off a minimum of 1,000 rounds a year of ammo. I can recall while in the AF simply getting 90 rounds every two years to stay qualified. The DHS folks are getting away with this because no one will do an audit and suggest that 300 rounds a year is more than enough for each guy.


30 posted on 04/30/2013 1:14:53 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Nervous Tick
all seventy THOUSAND of them — couldn’t stop two Chechen rebels from killing and maiming hundreds.

That's because islamic terrorists are not the target. We are.

31 posted on 04/30/2013 3:34:56 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Nachum

Just a crazy theory...

1. Put huge demand on ammunition manufacturers
2. Companies expand facilities to meet demand
3. Government stops buying, relying on stockpiles instead
4. Lower revenue no longer covers the new operating expenses
5. Government offers bailout but only ammo companies agree to gun/ammo sale restrictions


32 posted on 04/30/2013 5:49:11 AM PDT by BinaryBoy (Socialism is slavery)
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To: Nachum

I still want to know who they plan on shooting. This is NOT just about cutting off supply.


33 posted on 04/30/2013 7:16:47 AM PDT by GOPJ (The screed of so-called journalists: 'If it doesn't fit, you must omit.' - - freeper Vigilanteman)
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To: Ripliancum

“But but but... he’s a Mormon! That doesn’t go over too well for many here.”

Yes, they are slaves to their notion of what passes for “religion,” and they would rather trash a decent, hard working legislator for his benign beliefs rather than help him to succeed in their behalf. In a perverse way, they are really no better than the Muslims that they really hate. It’s like “God” has “told” me to hate everyone who doesn’t believe as I do.


34 posted on 04/30/2013 8:40:33 AM PDT by vette6387
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35 posted on 04/30/2013 8:54:04 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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36 posted on 04/30/2013 8:57:59 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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37 posted on 04/30/2013 9:00:02 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: ru4liberty

Ping


38 posted on 04/30/2013 10:22:39 AM PDT by ru4liberty
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To: Nachum; ExTexasRedhead

Bang for later read ....................................................................................................................................... FRegards


39 posted on 04/30/2013 10:47:49 AM PDT by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms ... FRegards)
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