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The GAO IS Now Investigating The DHS Ammo Purchases
Breitbart ^ | 4/29/13 | Debra Heine

Posted on 04/29/2013 8:48:22 PM PDT by Nachum

Last Thursday, Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz, who chairs one of the House oversight subcommittees, held a hearing to find out why the Department of Homeland Security has been ordering so much ammunition. "It is entirely ... inexplicable why the Department of Homeland Security needs so much ammunition," Chaffetz said at the hearing.

He revealed that the department currently has more than 260 million rounds in stock.

He said the department bought more than 103 million rounds in 2012 and used 116 million that same year -- among roughly 70,000 agents.

Comparing that with the small-arms purchases procured by the U.S. Army, he said the DHS is churning through between 1,300 and 1,600 rounds per officer, while the U.S. Army goes through roughly 350 rounds per soldier... He noted that is "roughly 1,000 rounds more per person."

Now, according to US News Washington Whispers, the GAO is looking into the ammo purchases.

The congressional investigative agency is jumping into the fray just as legislation was introduced in both the Senate and the House to restrict the purchase of ammo by some government agencies (except the Department of Defense). The AMMO Act, introduced Friday, would prevent agencies from buying more ammunition if "stockpiles" are greater than what they were in previous administrations.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; dhs; gao; guncontrol; nra; purchases; secondamendment
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To: vette6387
More folks ought to read about Chaffetz. He’s a rising star who made the transformation from Liberal to Conservative by using his mind. Here’s hoping he smokes out the ammo stockpile nonsense.

But but but... he's a Mormon! That doesn't go over too well for many here.

21 posted on 04/29/2013 10:08:03 PM PDT by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)
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To: theBuckwheat

Good Point.

These ammo orders were not all made by the same person or from just one manufacturer. Several people were “ordered” to buy ammunition. And those that gave the order likely were also instructed to do so. There are likely at least hundreds of people that must have been involved but only a few that might know WHY.

The best of the investigators/journalists/reporters is going to have to find the people that made the call or issued the purchase order on behalf of the government and start working backwards. Why did you place these orders? Who directed you? Etc.

Are there any real investigators left? We couldn’t crack Bengazi. And the whole world witnessed that mess.


22 posted on 04/29/2013 10:09:33 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: Nachum

23 posted on 04/29/2013 10:10:03 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: dandiegirl

Steve King, Tom McClintock, and Mike Lee, too!!

24 posted on 04/29/2013 10:29:47 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: The Cajun

Well that’s exactly it. Of course they didn’t use that much more than they actually had purchased 116M rounds vs 103M rounds. They are probably sending them to South America or North Korea, or some other commie buddy or socialist group they love. Perhaps the Black Panthers and Obama’s “Civilian Security Corps”, or whatever else he has planned. FUBO and your “most transparent administration in history.”

>used 116 million that same year
>Starting to wonder if that 116 million was really used, >lots of other possibilities other than it was really used.
>Where’s the spent brass, where’s the documentation that it >was used?
>Surely agents had to sign out for it.

25 posted on 04/29/2013 10:46:42 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.g)
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To: Terry L Smith

Many agencies throughout government still issue and carry the S&W 640 as a backup firearm. They would qualify with it at least twice a year if not more.

That is a revolver and each agent probably shoots 100-150 rounds a year on the range. The Bureau of Prisons still issue .38 revolvers to some guards for transport or prison security duties. They train at FLETC with ammo obtained by HSI.

Sorry, but your information is factually wrong. All agencies did not transition to the M9 Beretta although most agencies did transition to modern semi-automatic handguns of various makes and models. Almost all of them still continued to issue and carry backup pistols and the majority of those (until the subcompacts hit the market) remained the snub-nosed .38 revolver.

Even with the popularity of subcompact semi-auto pistols there are still tens of thousands of snubnose .38’s out there. If you assume a low end of 100 rounds a year per active agent and several hundred rounds for new hires in training it can add up. Everyone that is issued one has to qualify with it twice a year at a minimum.

26 posted on 04/29/2013 11:34:18 PM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: Secret Agent Man


1657 rounds per person. That would be a little less than 3 boxes per month if they practiced every month, which I somehow doubt.

27 posted on 04/29/2013 11:52:59 PM PDT by DaiHuy (May God save the country, for it is evident the people will not! Millard Fillmore)
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To: tbw2

Its going overseas maybe to Syria.

28 posted on 04/29/2013 11:58:05 PM PDT by x_plus_one (John Ransom: truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: NonValueAdded
We all know damned well why they are doing it

Best post of the thread.

29 posted on 04/30/2013 12:48:07 AM PDT by SIDENET
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To: theBuckwheat

I don’t think there is some ‘secret’ plan to this whole’s more like kids in a candy store. This recent episode where they bought several thousand of these armored trucks that the Army used in Afghanistan and Iraq....’manly-toys’, with billions spent on them. The fancy new uniforms that TSA got....same deal. I think the list goes on and on, with night-vision goggles, quad-bikes, etc.

The one thing I’ve noticed over the past thirty years being around the US military...the ‘kids in a candy store’ mentality has taken over and a vast amount of money is spent each year on questionable items. No one seems to worry about audits.

Here we find DHS officers firing off a minimum of 1,000 rounds a year of ammo. I can recall while in the AF simply getting 90 rounds every two years to stay qualified. The DHS folks are getting away with this because no one will do an audit and suggest that 300 rounds a year is more than enough for each guy.

30 posted on 04/30/2013 1:14:53 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Nervous Tick
all seventy THOUSAND of them — couldn’t stop two Chechen rebels from killing and maiming hundreds.

That's because islamic terrorists are not the target. We are.

31 posted on 04/30/2013 3:34:56 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Nachum

Just a crazy theory...

1. Put huge demand on ammunition manufacturers
2. Companies expand facilities to meet demand
3. Government stops buying, relying on stockpiles instead
4. Lower revenue no longer covers the new operating expenses
5. Government offers bailout but only ammo companies agree to gun/ammo sale restrictions

32 posted on 04/30/2013 5:49:11 AM PDT by BinaryBoy (Socialism is slavery)
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To: Nachum

I still want to know who they plan on shooting. This is NOT just about cutting off supply.

33 posted on 04/30/2013 7:16:47 AM PDT by GOPJ (The screed of so-called journalists: 'If it doesn't fit, you must omit.' - - freeper Vigilanteman)
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To: Ripliancum

“But but but... he’s a Mormon! That doesn’t go over too well for many here.”

Yes, they are slaves to their notion of what passes for “religion,” and they would rather trash a decent, hard working legislator for his benign beliefs rather than help him to succeed in their behalf. In a perverse way, they are really no better than the Muslims that they really hate. It’s like “God” has “told” me to hate everyone who doesn’t believe as I do.

34 posted on 04/30/2013 8:40:33 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Tailgunner Joe

35 posted on 04/30/2013 8:54:04 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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36 posted on 04/30/2013 8:57:59 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Tailgunner Joe

37 posted on 04/30/2013 9:00:02 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: ru4liberty


38 posted on 04/30/2013 10:22:39 AM PDT by ru4liberty
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To: Nachum; ExTexasRedhead

Bang for later read ....................................................................................................................................... FRegards

39 posted on 04/30/2013 10:47:49 AM PDT by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms ... FRegards)
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