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Memo to the South: Go Ahead, Secede Already!
The Daily Beast ^ | April 30, 2013 | Lee Siegel

Posted on 04/30/2013 7:00:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s face it—on nearly every important issue, from gun control to immigration to gay marriage, red states are holding America back. Lee Siegel on why the South should get the hell out of the union.

Let’s not be fooled by all the bipartisan rhetoric that has been streaming out of the GOP since Romney’s self-destruction. Hundreds of thousands of petitioners in a handful of red states still want to secede? Well, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

A solid block of Southern states continues to refuse to expand Medicaid, thus squashing one of the linchpins of the president’s health-care reform. The South will likely be the last and most stubborn battleground in the fight for gay marriage. Gun control? The more the two sides seem to get cozier with each other, the faster gun-control legislation gets watered down—and more and more red states are passing laws making it legal to carry a concealed weapon. As for immigration, the red states seem to be relaxing their anti-immigrant fervor, but nothing approaching new legislation is even on the horizon.

The sad truth is that “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” can only be achieved at this point if the nation is split in half. Far from being fanciful or fanatical, the proponents of secession have a stronger grasp of political reality than just about anyone else. In fact, there are serious reasons why the North itself should take the lead in a secessionist movement.

Just think what America would look like without its mostly Southern states. (We could retain “America”: they could call themselves “Smith & Wesson” or “Coca-Cola” or something like that.) Universal health care. No guns. Strong unions. A humane minimum wage....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; catholics; cwii; democrats; dixie; guncontrol; mittromney; mormons; noachide; seccesion; secede; secondamendment
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1 posted on 04/30/2013 7:00:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I live in the South and would love to cast away the northern deadwood.


2 posted on 04/30/2013 7:04:42 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wish th South could secede at this point.


3 posted on 04/30/2013 7:04:48 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In fact, there are serious reasons why the North itself should take the lead in a secessionist movement.

I'm all for it. I've always said it would be a lot easier to 'git er done' if we could make the libs think it was their idea and/or that they would be better off without us conservatives trying to keep them from their wonderfully blissful fantasy liberal dreamland.

4 posted on 04/30/2013 7:05:10 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Deranged, leftist drivel on parade for the whole world to see.


5 posted on 04/30/2013 7:05:12 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

no problem for me and many others who live here, after al the country we live in is not one anyway.
We live in two countries anyway and anyone from the south going north to the north east will tell you that you might as well be in another country and the attitude , expense, prices, cost of living, social issues etc are very different to us down here


6 posted on 04/30/2013 7:05:12 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

(To be clear, I’d immigrate their immediately, if my current location isn’t considered the South already.)


7 posted on 04/30/2013 7:05:26 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is it us seceding or them seceding from reality?


8 posted on 04/30/2013 7:06:42 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The Team: Progressives, Margret Sanger, Josef Mengele and the Butcher of Philadelphia)
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To: packrat35

I and most down here who I know would love to see the south leave or the north east then leave us and take Chicago with them


9 posted on 04/30/2013 7:06:55 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Uh, it wouldn’t just be the South, it’d probably be most states between the mountain ranges.


10 posted on 04/30/2013 7:07:04 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Surely this is satire


11 posted on 04/30/2013 7:07:13 PM PDT by Figment
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To: packrat35

I live in the South too and feel the same.


12 posted on 04/30/2013 7:07:13 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A bunch of claptrap. Every liberal talking point to a t and nothing more.

Were there to be a split and de-regulated red state mentality prevailed the blue states would be left with the welfare state and every major industry and capital producing entity would leave rather than be bled dry to support it.

They can keep what they consider “high art”.


13 posted on 04/30/2013 7:07:17 PM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just think what America would look like without its mostly Southern states. (We could retain “America”: they could call themselves “Smith & Wesson” or “Coca-Cola” or something like that.) Universal health care. No guns. Strong unions. A humane minimum wage. A humane immigration policy. High revenues from a fair tax structure. A massive public-works program. Legal gay marriage. A ban on carbon emissions. Electric cars. Stronger workplace protections. Extended family leave from work in case of pregnancy or illness. Longer unemployment benefits.

Ah, yes. Utopia! At last.

How long until the race war...???

14 posted on 04/30/2013 7:07:27 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The red states are the ones keeping the union alive and economically stable. I always pray that the revolution would finally start as it’s been long overdue.


15 posted on 04/30/2013 7:08:26 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a moron. Not disagreeing with him on sundering the country, except that the good guys should probably get to keep “America”, but his stereotypes and value judgments on the issues? What a moron. Like people who simply want freedom from excessive levels of government means you want to live in a Christian theocracy. Fool.


16 posted on 04/30/2013 7:09:06 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds good to me. All the yankee libs in south Florida will need some time to evacuate. Perhaps they can go to Boston as political refugees.


17 posted on 04/30/2013 7:09:09 PM PDT by clintonh8r ("Europe was created by history. America was created by a philosophy." Baroness Thatcher)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, hell not.
The liberals can all move to the north east.....and leave the rest of us alone.


18 posted on 04/30/2013 7:09:28 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just think what America would look like without its mostly Southern states. Universal health care. No guns. Strong unions. A humane minimum wage....

Just like Mexico.

19 posted on 04/30/2013 7:10:16 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Join AAAA : Americans Against Acronym Abuse)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only people who would profit are lawyers battling over who would own what (interstate roads, satellites, etc.).

Secession is no longer practicable, let alone preferable.

The nation is disintegrating on its own. Best thing to do is hunker down and let the inevitable be.


20 posted on 04/30/2013 7:11:15 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I were still back in the US I would be all in favor of my great state of Tennessee bailing out of the USSA.
Fortunately, I have escaped what is now the Communist hellhole of Obozoland with no plans to return.


21 posted on 04/30/2013 7:11:35 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Laughable. People are leaving Siegel’s blue states because they are impending disasters. If he thinks the productive ones still left would stay in a hellhole like the blues, then he’s not thinking too far ahead. The exodus would hasten . . big time. And the welfare staters in red could “emigrate” legally or not, to the blues.

So keep up your phony act, Lee. You can’t live without us, and you know it as well as we do.


22 posted on 04/30/2013 7:11:47 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think it would be really interesting to see what the country would look like if the red and blue seperated. I think the libs would be shocked to find out.

Can we deport the liberal in the big cities?

23 posted on 04/30/2013 7:11:56 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes I have a comment.

Before we consider anything along these lines, first BRING BACK JOBS TO AMERICA.

First. Before you even talk about all this other stuff.


24 posted on 04/30/2013 7:12:11 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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Comments?

ABSOLUTELY!

I'm as serious as a heart attack.Let,NY,CA,MA,NJ,IL,etc issue all the EBT cards they wish.Let them annex all of Mexico as their newest state.Let them enact mandatory abortions for all white males and name the Religion of Pieces as the only "religion" to be tolerated.The South,parts of the Midwest and the Rocky Mountain area as well as Alaska will form a more perfect union.As much as I dislike heat and humidity I'll gladly go to NC or GA.

25 posted on 04/30/2013 7:12:28 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: clintonh8r

If you discounted Milwaukee and Madison the entire state of Wisconsin would probably sign up.


26 posted on 04/30/2013 7:13:32 PM PDT by tractorman (I never miss a chance to tweak a liberal.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You can stamp my passport!


27 posted on 04/30/2013 7:13:53 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No guns. LOL

Do they think Chicago, Baltimore and a few other cities are going to secede?


28 posted on 04/30/2013 7:13:59 PM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s pretty obvious that this country is going to collapse, as all once-great nations in history have done. There are plenty of signs that the end will not be long in coming—in fact, lately it looks a whole lot like ancient Rome come back to haunt us—so why not plan ahead?


29 posted on 04/30/2013 7:14:20 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Make some room for me.


30 posted on 04/30/2013 7:15:23 PM PDT by mykroar (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice.-Thomas Paine)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m considering secedeing all on my own. LOL!


31 posted on 04/30/2013 7:16:14 PM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let the Statists stick with themselves, cause it isn’t about the South it is about the State vs. the Citizens, and the State’s corporatist pals in the other world inside the Beltway.

The South is right, again. Obamacare is dead there. Resist we much. Don’t tread on us.


32 posted on 04/30/2013 7:16:15 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Where do I sign?


33 posted on 04/30/2013 7:16:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Sarah is right.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Works for me.

The writer will find that the policies he champions will make “his country” poor as the proverbial church mouse. Sure, have public works but how are you going to pay for them? Oh, I know. Print money.

Stupid beyond belief.


34 posted on 04/30/2013 7:16:41 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Just think what America would look like without its mostly Southern states.... Universal health care. No guns. Strong unions. A humane minimum wage...."

It would be a Leftist Utopia. Just like North Korea.

35 posted on 04/30/2013 7:16:59 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Gay State Conservative

Southwestern North Carolina and far northern Georgia are surprisingly mild and temperate. Humidity I can’t help you with, it’s the south, lol, although we do get low humidity sometimes, from late fall through early spring.


36 posted on 04/30/2013 7:17:09 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At least we’d have the brains to seal our borders so all those refugees from blue states can’t come!


37 posted on 04/30/2013 7:17:24 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm done with the GOP. Let them wither and die. We need to start over.)
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To: packrat35

There are a lot of good folks in all sections of our country but it does seems that a majority of the social cesspools are found north of the Mason Dixon line.


38 posted on 04/30/2013 7:17:53 PM PDT by True Grit
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Give New Jersey to the crows.


39 posted on 04/30/2013 7:17:57 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Al Gore in Vermont or Massachusetts year round? Holy global warming, Batman.
40 posted on 04/30/2013 7:18:05 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama is the "Disco Duck" president. A no-substance novelty that reached number one.)
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You called?


41 posted on 04/30/2013 7:19:01 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm done with the GOP. Let them wither and die. We need to start over.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Universal health care. No guns. Strong unions. A humane minimum wage. A humane immigration policy. High revenues from a fair tax structure. A massive public-works program. Legal gay marriage. A ban on carbon emissions. Electric cars. Stronger workplace protections. Extended family leave from work in case of pregnancy or illness. Longer unemployment benefits.

For maybe about a year... which is about how long it would take every industry that builds things, fixes things or grows things to move south. All that would be left north of the Mason Dixon line would be tax cheats, welfare bums, poverty pimps, drug addicts and perverts of various genera. All of whom would starve because there would be no real money coming into the tax coffers and whatever the North uses for currency wouldn't be worth it's weight in raw organic fertilizer.

Sounds like a great idea. Let's do it!

42 posted on 04/30/2013 7:20:06 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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The media only started perpetually calling them “Red States” in the past 4 election cycles. Before then, the colors were designated blue for Republicans and red for Democrat-National-Socialists.

I won’t let the commie rat bastards pull the wool over my eyes.

The same Baby Boomer “68 Revolution” red diaper doper babies are pushing the same agenda. Some refer to them as “New Democrats”. I prefer Red Dupes. Let THEIR states be known as Red States.

Some of us are still true blue Americans.


43 posted on 04/30/2013 7:20:10 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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God, I wish! I cut loose from those idiot liberals in the north in a minute and then restore all our freedoms.


44 posted on 04/30/2013 7:20:20 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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Universal health care.

Umm huh.

No guns.

Keep going

Strong unions.

Let's hear the rest.

A humane minimum wage. A humane immigration policy. High revenues from a fair tax structure. A massive public-works program. Legal gay marriage.

You understand that you would not have high revenue. Your tax structure would cause revenue to fall, right? Ok you don't. Carry on then.

A ban on carbon emissions.

You want people to stop breathing?

Electric cars. Stronger workplace protections. Extended family leave from work in case of pregnancy or illness. Longer unemployment benefits. In short, a society on a par with most of the rest of the industrialized world—a place whose politics have finally caught up with its social and economic realities.

In short a place where even you would not want to live.

Why would I hire any of your workers? They would be lazy, uneducated, expensive and just plain not worth it.

And why would I even have a business any way?

You would want to take everything I earned to support your wish list.

So businesses would close up and leave.

You would need those longer unemployment benefits.

But where would you get the money to pay them?

You could try to take them from your neighbor.

But you have no guns.

45 posted on 04/30/2013 7:20:39 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Join AAAA : Americans Against Acronym Abuse)
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To: Fledermaus

How about Al Gore as Mister Freeze?


46 posted on 04/30/2013 7:21:39 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama is the "Disco Duck" president. A no-substance novelty that reached number one.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I posted before I read the entire article. I thought at first it was satire, then halfway through it made a litle sense. Then it went totally in the trash. Great hospitals, teaching colleges, museums bla bla bla.. all in blue states. What BS.The south descending into theocracy? I think not. Has this person ever been out of their little blue world to experience what actually exists in flyover country? It’s a wonder we can even continue to exist without smartasses like this to show us the way/s


47 posted on 04/30/2013 7:21:50 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

You’re overanalzing. They’re dumbasses.


48 posted on 04/30/2013 7:22:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Sarah is right.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No guns.

How does this "genius" interpret a government monopoly on legal weapons ownership as "no guns?"

49 posted on 04/30/2013 7:22:31 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One inconvenient factor overlooked by the author is the industrial might of the South. In 1860, the North was heavily into manufacturing while the South was agrarian. Today, the South is more industrialized than the North, has oil and coal plus the facilities to process them. It has many more chemical plants than the North.

So go ahead Yankees,secede.


50 posted on 04/30/2013 7:23:01 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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