Skip to comments.An armed march on Washington?
Posted on 05/05/2013 9:08:58 AM PDT by chessplayer
Before we get started on this story, I would like to take a moment to point out that youd be hard pressed to find any point where Ive been anything but a staunch defender of the Second Amendment, as I would hope most regular readers know. Ive taken flack for it from a lot of people this year, ranging from family members to folks in the media. But even approaching it from that sort of position, Ive got to say that this is a really bad idea.
A march on Washington with loaded rifles
"Libertarian activist and radio host Adam Kokesh is hoping to get 1,000 people to march on Washington on July 4 armed with loaded rifles. The plan, launched with a Facebook group today, is to gather on the Virginia side of the Potomac, where gun laws are lax, and then march across the bridge with loaded rifles slung over their shoulders into the District, where openly carrying weapons is generally prohibited."
This will be a non-violent event, the Facebook group warns, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Already, over 200 people have said theyll attend the march."
The plan is to march over the bridge, around the Capitol building, the Supreme Court and the White House, all with loaded rifles slung over their shoulders. Honestly, its difficult to imagine a worse idea, particularly in the midst of a heated debate with gun grabbers in the government. Kokesh describes this as an act of civil disobedience but it falls well short of that goal. If he wanted to promote an act of peacefully breaking the law to make a point, it would certainly be worthy of considering. For example, you could take a large number of people to block the entrance to the main office of the A.T.F and force the police to arrest and remove you. But this is something very different.
Showing up with a thousand (or even a few hundred) people openly carrying loaded weapons and marching toward the Capitol is not something that law enforcement is going to play around with, particularly when you announce it in advance. And theyre not going to allow the march to proceed peacefully either. Normally Id write this off as a bad idea that wouldnt gain widespread support, but the problem here is that it doesnt need widespread support. It would really only take a few hundred really upset people to get it rolling. And even if most of them intend it to be peaceful, when the officials show up to arrest them, weapons drawn, you have the potential for disaster which Rick Moran foresees.
"With the furor over gun rights and the governments efforts at gun control, this march is likely to attract enough people to make it an extraordinarily dangerous event. Who knows what kooks will be marching? Most marchers will no doubt be level headed and sincere in their desire for a non-violent event. But it only takes one unbalanced person to cause a tragedy."
Sensible gun owners, along with the NRA, are making the point that the government needs to respect the rights of law abiding, responsible gun owners and spend their time chasing the actual criminals. There could be no better gift to hand to gun rights opponents than to have a bunch of people get arrested for breaking established (if really bad) gun laws or, worse, getting in a shootout with the cops. This is not the type of representation we need in this debate.
UPDATE: (Jazz) From the Boss Emeritus. Was this all a dodge?
"[Kokesh] marched in uniform in mock patrols for the anti-war movement, paraded around holding an upside-down American flag (see Jonn Lilyea for more), was arrested for defacing signs, and traveled to Germany to urge soldiers to abandon their posts and seek aid and comfort with his anti-war minions."
"Kokesh, believe it or not, is now running as a Republican candidate for Congress in New Mexico. And, believe it or not, he is getting positive exposure on at least one Fox News show. He has the backing of Ron Paul, the Republican Liberty Caucus, and the 9/12 Project."
"The New Mexico Republican Party has its head in the sand. If you have friends and family in New Mexico, make sure they know who the real Adam Kokesh is."
"He is an anti-war smear merchant in GOP clothing. Spread the word."
An incredibly, terribly bad idea.
Thank you. I agree.
I’m rabidly pro gun and I think this is a mega bad idea.
Yes. It plays right into the hands of the left.
Better would be every gun owner using 2 dollar bills to buy stuff
Kokesh is a absolute nut.
Big-Libertarian. Does Antiwar.com ring any bells?
This is just the rabble of lefties under false flag.
He could be a plant by the regime. Wouldnt put anything past this bunch
I know he is a plant. Just like the Westboro kooks are plants.
Kokesh is a freak. I’m not surprised the hardcore Paulestinians and Troofers are hooked up with him, given his activities protesting against the Iraq war.
There are ways to demonstrate support for the Second Amendment, but I don’t think this is a good one. It’s going to play right into the anti-gunners’ hands. “ARMED MOB MARCHING ON WASHINGTON! EEK! WINGNUTS!”
Adam Kokesh is dirtbag who was part of Iraq Veterans Against the War. Not surprising that Ron Paul is supporting this POS.
Do something constructive.........JOIN AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE NRA.
I agree this is beyond stupid..
The NRA, Republicans, and Conservatives need to get as much distance from this idiot as possible. The Left is salivating to connect him and his supporters to the Pro Gun movement and Conservatives which would be wrong but the left doesn’t care about facts when it comes to advancing their agenda.
March without the guns. This IS a dumb idea.
Martin Luther King did this to Bull Connor in Birmingham 50 year ago.
Only DC police, Feds, and politicians should be allowed to carry loaded weapons. The serfs should crawl to them and beg for their rights to an air supply. It doesn’t matter what the freedom-wingers do, their enemies in the media will tar them with lies and hatred.
At this point in time, doing something that could/will get your ass thrown in jail is beyond stupid.
Talk about falling into a trap! Anyone that participates in any such march has fallen in it. And stepped in it.
You could be right. He probably doesn’t care how much damage this stunt would do to the pro-2nd amendment cause, as long as he gets his personal publicity.
This should go well....
At what point does the populace marched arm on DC? Another rally in DC, probably just a waste of time. What about a group of 10,000 armed citizens standing across the River in Virginia? Regardless, the liberal media isn’t going to give a conservative movement positive publicity...ever. Worry about playing the games by their rules hasn’t worked yet, so why worry about it. Some of the liberal media barely get enough readers or watchers to make any bit of difference.
Joining the NRA? Why, so they can essentially give someone a positive rating on the 2nd Amendment, while the individual shreds the rest of the Constitution? I wish the NRA would stop preaching about our so called 2nd Amendment right, and starting talking about inalienable right/s. Want to stand behind the Constitution, grea. But what happens should it be amended and the 2nd Amendment ruled obsolete?
The question that no one seems to want to answer is where to place line that shouldn’t be crossed. The threshold for the Founding Fathers was a hell of a lot lower than what we are experiencing today...
Agreed. Besides the American people are simply not ready for direct action. We are still in the talking phase. Being in the talking phase is one step up from the “feeling of malaise” phase.
And I see that antiwar’s Justin “Justine” Raimondo has written a piece called “The Coup”, about how Big Business is going to murder Ron Paul.
Read in your vomitorium.
No, it would enable the federales to confiscate. It presents them with a gift-wrapped boggie-person.
It’s a set-up; stay the hell away from it!
This protest will have no bearing on what the government will do in any case. It may rush it along a little, but this event will not define the heart and soul of this government...that has already been done. These people have a right to march, whether this government or you want to recognize that right is irrelevant.
They can always manufacture a reason.
Confiscation is always followed by extermination.
Knowing that, a lot of people will elect to die fighting.
I already posted a lot on this loser Kokesh, I wont repost it here
this is an earlier thread on the same thing, different source
STAY AWAY FROM THE TRAITOR ADAM KOKESH!
What I would like to see is a Million Magazine March.
Not rifles, not pistols, just 1 million gun owners showing up with empty, high capacity magazines. Still makes a statement, technically an act of civil disobedience ( although we can claim we’re on our way to a network broadcast)
but no threat of violence.
I agree that this is a bad idea at the present time, and I have my concerns about this particular organizer. However, keep in mind that Sam Adams used similar tactics. He provoked confrontations with the British that were used to turn the people against the British. We may need to consider such tactics at some point.
Use pitchforks instead.
In the zer0 world of D.C. am not certain pitchforks would obtain a marching permit. D.C. is on edge. My thought for the reason D.C. is on edge is they know the People have figured out what D.C. is up to and realize the People know their representatives are not doing the Peoples business but are instead doing other nations business against the People. Imho, this would give D.C. plenty of reasons to go ahead and finish the People. Imho, the People are holding their own for the moment. The Senate did not pass the first step of registration of firearms. As long as this holds and the Supreme Court does not hand down a 5 - 4 decision against firearms ownership there is a reason to march but not in the fashion being proposed. Should a 5 - 4 decision be handed down in the Supreme Court against firearm ownership or should Congress enact legislation requiring firearm registration it would then be time (imho) to march with pitchforks, tar and feathers. Till then ... I pray the People will not do something stupid. We should wait till the Supreme Court or Congress does something stupid first (imho).
Thank You creek!
Never. We want a divorce, not war. If they won't give us a peaceful divorce, they will be responsible for the violence. We will have to win in the hinterlands. The end resut might allow restoration of the Constitution over all of the US, or just a truce that allows the Red States to go their own way. Either way is fine with me, I have no interest in subjugating the commies of New England and the Pacific coast. Their empire will fall of its own accord soon enough, and they will eventually beg to return to the Free United States.
And be very, very, very wary of those who either advocate for this or encourage participation.
This is a trap.
"[Kokesh] marched in uniform in mock patrols for the anti-war movement, paraded around holding an upside-down American flag (see Jonn Lilyea for more), was arrested for defacing signs, and traveled to Germany to urge soldiers to abandon their posts and seek aid and comfort with his anti-war minions. Kokesh, believe it or not, is now running as a Republican candidate for Congress in New Mexico. And, believe it or not, he is getting positive exposure on at least one Fox News show. He has the backing of Ron Paul, the Republican Liberty Caucus, and the 9/12 Project. The New Mexico Republican Party has its head in the sand. If you have friends and family in New Mexico, make sure they know who the real Adam Kokesh is. He is an anti-war smear merchant in GOP clothing. Spread the word."What's his FR nick?
[[The NRA, Republicans, and Conservatives need to get as much distance from this idiot as possible.]]
They need to come out right now and state emphatically that they are NOT associated with this fella- but of course, they will wait unti lthe damage is doen and hten try to patch the leaks in the boat with bubble gum
dang how times have changed, I can remember when I lived in SE DC up on 4th, street. We had a family friend who would take me shooting, it was a 3 mile walk to the rear of a place called Camp Simms, in the woods behind this National Guard site was an outdoor firing range, an open unattended site.
We would openly carry several firearms to our afternoon of shooting, including pistols, .45, 1911 model, 9MM luger, 12 ga pump, M1 garand, M1 carbine. Never in all the trips we made did we ever have anyone say anything to us or have the police come and talk to us, and I mean NEVER.
But this march is a bad idea, it shouldn’t be done on the 4th, and it needs more like 500,000 marchers.
Agreed. I'm surprised at the timidity of some posters on this thread. Does anyone want to expound on why this is such a "terrible" idea? I mean, at what point do we say "Enough!" We WILL fight you! And we WILL die if necessary to defend our rights. Better men and women than we have purchased these liberties at that great price. Should we, as heirs to their gift, be unwilling to make a similar sacrifice?
These anti-war, supposedly libertarian, leftist are nuts. Many are paultards and are trying to infiltrate the conservative movement and become the face of the "new" Republican Party. The loon Ron Paul does support many of these people. Much as I like a lot of what Rand has done, I don't really trust him - I have a suspicion he is much more like his nutty father than he lets on.
The only time I plan on “marching on Washington” armed is if a current resident of the White House refuses to become a former resident of the White House. In that case, the people would hae to act.
As it is now, I will not mess with them as long as they don’t mess with me. No sense stirring up a hornet’s nest.
Oh, good grief. All it would take is for a few marchers all juiced up on liquid courage starting a shootout with the cops. Just what we need, right? NOT!