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Dems Say Need to Block ‘Stomach Churning’ Plastic Printable Gun is Urgent
Pajamas Media ^ | 05/07/2013 | Bridget Johnson

Posted on 05/07/2013 10:08:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A New York Democrat wants to revise gun laws to encompass a downloadable plastic gun produced on a 3-D printer.

On Friday, Defense Distributed premiered its plastic firearm with only one small necessary metal part: the firing pin.

Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) wants to pour water on this invention with his Undetectable Firearms Modernization Act, which extends a 1988 ban on plastic guns that expires this year and extends it to include homemade, plastic high-capacity magazines and receivers. The piece of metal in the downloadable gun, which allows it to be spotted by metal detectors, keeps it within current law.

“Security checkpoints, background checks, and gun regulations will do little good if criminals can print plastic firearms at home and bring those firearms through metal detectors with no one the wiser. When I started talking about the issue of plastic firearms months ago, I was told the idea of a plastic gun is science-fiction. Now that this technology appears to be upon us, we need to act now to extend the ban on plastic firearms,” Israel said.

Israel “revamped” his bill to make it “illegal to manufacture, own, transport, buy, or sell any firearm, receiver, or magazine that is homemade and not detectable by metal detector and/or does not present an accurate image when put through an x-ray machine.”

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) was so alarmed by Friday’s demonstration video of the downloadable gun that he called a Sunday news conference to jump on board Israel’s bill.

“We’re facing a situation where anyone — a felon, a terrorist — can open a gun factory in their garage, and the weapons they make will be undetectable,” Schumer said. “It’s stomach churning.”

The senator clarified he doesn’t want to ban 3-D printers outright.
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UPDATE: On CNBC today, Schumer said “at the very least” Congress needs to make it “a crime to have such a gun.”

#8220;If the police see you carrying one on the street, they’ll know it’s a crime. If anybody sees you doing it, they’ll know it’s a crime,” he said. “What we should do beyond that, I don’t know. I mean, obviously there are First Amendment issues. We’ve had this issue about bombs being put on the Internet in the past. And obviously someone could go overseas and put something on the Internet where our laws don’t govern.”

“But we have to do more than just make it a crime. I agree with that, mindful of the various constitutional and other types of constraints,” the senator continued. “And I don’t want to abolish these printers, that’s for sure, because I think by and large they do good things.”

Schumer said Congress has to investigate all ways in which guns can be made and regulate them.

“Everyone saw that John Malkovich movie, In the Line of Fire. It was a frightening movie. He spent months and months and months trying to craft a gun made of wood and plastic and figuring out a way,” he said.

“Obviously, you still have to deal with the bullets, but they could be put in a metal casing that could get through a metal detector without it ever being revealed there — a bullet. But he spent months doing this so he could assassinate the president, and the movie was frightening. He was one of the best bad guys I’ve ever seen in a movie. But now it’s real. And that’s — that’s much more frightening.”

PJM FLASHBACK: Gutenberg’s Rifle: The Downloadable Firearm Is Almost Real



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; distributed; guncontrol; guns; printablegun; secondamendment
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1 posted on 05/07/2013 10:08:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So this is how they’re going to do gun control? They’re going to rush through legislation to ban 3D gun manufacturing, fill it with massive gun control legislation, likely the same as proposed last month, and they’ll pass it as “common sense” in the dark of night.

Stomach churning indeed.


2 posted on 05/07/2013 10:10:39 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The funny thing is that these morons don’t even realize that if one “opts out” of the TSA body-scanners, on never even goes through a metal detector. One could have cartridges and a gun barrel easily secreted in a body cavity, and this would never be detected by the pat-down.

The new naked body scanners (some X-ray, some high-frequency microwave) actually make flying LESS secure.


3 posted on 05/07/2013 10:11:50 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: SeekAndFind

Too late. It’s gone viral.


4 posted on 05/07/2013 10:12:07 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry. You can’t block this without blocking all 3-d printing. Furthermore, if you try to block the CAD files, they’ll just be put on an offshore server.


5 posted on 05/07/2013 10:12:28 AM PDT by struggle
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To: SeekAndFind

This perfectly illustrates the fanatical insanity of liberal politicians like Shmuck Shoomer.


6 posted on 05/07/2013 10:12:47 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: SeekAndFind
`Democrats run in panic...the sky is falling-the sky is falling.....they're making guns now just like they use to....
7 posted on 05/07/2013 10:12:56 AM PDT by yoe
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To: rarestia

Repubs already getting squishy ..... Reid waiting to bring the gun control bill up again ....

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/07/jeff-flake-hints-ill-support-expanded-background-checks-in-return-for-changes-on-internet-sales/


8 posted on 05/07/2013 10:13:19 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: SeekAndFind

If the police see you carrying one on the street, they’ll know it’s a crime.


Kinda like drugs and speeding. ;-)


9 posted on 05/07/2013 10:14:16 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Israel “revamped” his bill to make it “illegal to manufacture, own, transport, buy, or sell any firearm, receiver, or magazine that is homemade and not detectable by metal detector and/or does not present an accurate image when put through an x-ray machine.”

Because if we just pass this law, the CRIMINALS who were planning to break the law with these guns, will certainly obey it and not make them.

10 posted on 05/07/2013 10:15:28 AM PDT by apillar
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To: SeekAndFind; AFPhys; AD from SpringBay; ADemocratNoMore; aimhigh; AnalogReigns; archy; ...
3-D Printer Ping!


11 posted on 05/07/2013 10:16:32 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them. Gun confiscation enables tyranny.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, dear - citizens might actually have the sort of access to weapons mandated in the Bill of Rights.

Our government Masters can’t allow that!


12 posted on 05/07/2013 10:18:19 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: SeekAndFind; rarestia; Mushroom Gravy
Damn...freedom is just so, well, so uncontrollable by government powermongers. They have to stamp it out wherever they can.

But the only way freedom can really be controlled is through the moral conscience and foundation of those who are free. That way it remains free...the government powermongers (like the bozo dem referred to in this article) always want to turn it into tyranny.

America at the Crossroads of History

13 posted on 05/07/2013 10:19:07 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: SeekAndFind

What part of the constitution gives the fedguv the jurisdiction and power to make such a law?


14 posted on 05/07/2013 10:19:22 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Stomach-churning? You’re not supposed to eat it; you’re supposed to fire it at a target . . .


15 posted on 05/07/2013 10:19:30 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: SeekAndFind
Gun control ads have Democrats worrying)........hands off my Second Amendment OR I'll make my own weapons! Hey Bloomberg, get a life....
16 posted on 05/07/2013 10:19:53 AM PDT by yoe
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To: SeekAndFind

Hehehehe... almost 50,000 downloads of the printable hand gun software yesterday.

I suspect that if they push through the legislation that that number should grow exponentially.


17 posted on 05/07/2013 10:20:44 AM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberalism IS a mental disorder and they prove it all day, every day, never fails.


18 posted on 05/07/2013 10:20:55 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: SeekAndFind
" ... shall not be infringed" + unless it is plastic, or wood, or carbon filament, or fiberglass, cannot be detected, could be concealed, could be made at home, or basically, any gun we can't see, find or register.
19 posted on 05/07/2013 10:21:11 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: Olog-hai

maybe they’re making them out of White Castle sliders.

high cap mag and fires transfatty fries...a Nanny Bloomturd nightmare.


20 posted on 05/07/2013 10:21:12 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: cuban leaf

or illegal aliens


21 posted on 05/07/2013 10:21:30 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: SeekAndFind

One could as easily post a 3D lathe blueprint and instructions for a handgun. The printer adds the material, the lathe takes it away. Outlaw lathes too Schmuck?

To Schumer, all this is is a threat to the illusion that the government can control us. They do not see the threat they themselves pose to this illusion by passing laws they cannot enforce and we the people ignore.


22 posted on 05/07/2013 10:21:45 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: andyk

They could argue that since the internet cross stateliness, it falls under the commerce clause.


23 posted on 05/07/2013 10:22:37 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: MissMagnolia

Hey the best thing we can do (conservatives and libertarians) is give the GOP the middle finger and think about starting a new party. The GOP has been a bunch of useless twits for a long time. Baby, the Gipper is dead, and there is no one in the GOP that has similar vision. As an example, in the UK years ago when Labour was too left for some, they started the Liberal Democrats. Now the Tories are getting a run for their money. There is a party (help me out on this one)—not the fringy BNP, but another party that really wants to maintain UK integrity and sovereignty—not be a part of the EU (that is their main gripe—and all the media in UK and elsewhere are screaming the racist card). This party did quite well in recent elections in Britain.


24 posted on 05/07/2013 10:22:54 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (I hope the FEMA camps are comfortable when they come for me)
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To: SeekAndFind
Schmucky is stomach-turning.
25 posted on 05/07/2013 10:22:58 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: SeekAndFind
“And I don’t want to abolish these printers, that’s for sure, because I think by and large they do good things.”

You're right - they give Americans the ability to prevent people like you from doing bad things.

26 posted on 05/07/2013 10:23:21 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: TurboZamboni

funny


28 posted on 05/07/2013 10:23:58 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (I hope the FEMA camps are comfortable when they come for me)
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberal socialists scream & yell, “The sky is falling, we’re doomed, a plastic gun (little more than a plastic toy) will kill us all!”

What alarms them is that we good people may gain the ability to not become serfs & slaves to the coming government tyranny. 3D printing will soon make many useful items-replacement teeth, medical implants, parts for all sorts of items... Gun parts will be way down on the list of what 3D will be used for.

Meanwhile, bad guys, criminal gangs, drug lords and other bad people will get real metal guns and all the ammo needed to be bad just as they do now, thefts, illegal imports (along with tons of illegal stuff), Eric Holder’s posse and government warehouses.


29 posted on 05/07/2013 10:24:49 AM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: SeekAndFind
They could give a rats ass about gun control. It's all about furthering their commie agenda and guns and the constitution are the biggest hurdle to that.

"Hey Obama..."

"Yes Hillary?"

"Let's sing my favorite song."

"What song is that?"

"What difference does it make!"

"Whaaat difference does it make? As long as we can take and take...Obama is a fake..and RINOs let us skate.."


30 posted on 05/07/2013 10:25:06 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’d like to pass the Undetectable Brain Act and have it applied to testing Nu Yawk Dems.


31 posted on 05/07/2013 10:25:12 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not that it matters to our putative masters in Congress, but exactly how can Congress make it illegal for you to manufacture something in your own home if it is for personal use and not for sale?

The federal government is not granted a general police power - any federal laws are supposed to be based on the enumerated powers granted to the federal government by the Constitution. For example, the feds can’t arrest and prosecute you for murder, unless the murder occurs on federal property or you murder a federal official. Most laws that the feds pass are based on the Interstate Commerce Clause, but if this is something you make yourself and keep for your own use, it doesn’t qualify as interstate commerce, right?

That is not to say that states could not outlaw these weapons under the general police powers they have - although there would certainly be some 2nd Amendment problems with that approach as well.


32 posted on 05/07/2013 10:25:52 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: cuban leaf

they better not confuse it with a zip-22 or big lawsuit comin their way.


33 posted on 05/07/2013 10:26:24 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Too late Dems, cat out of the bag!


34 posted on 05/07/2013 10:26:56 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: struggle
Furthermore, if you try to block the CAD files, they’ll just be put on an offshore server.

It's already on PirateBay.

35 posted on 05/07/2013 10:28:46 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: SeekAndFind

The fact that their stomachs are churning makes me smile.


36 posted on 05/07/2013 10:30:03 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: SeekAndFind
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) was so alarmed by Friday’s demonstration video of the downloadable gun that he called a Sunday news conference to jump on board Israel’s bill. “We’re facing a situation where anyone — a felon, a terrorist — can open a gun factory in their garage, and the weapons they make will be undetectable,” Schumer said. “It’s stomach churning.”

First, I am thrilled that these anti-American socialists find this "stomach churning". They need a few more strong reminders to back down and stick to the proper role of government as circumscribed by the Enumerated Powers.

Second, I am thrilled that the idea of "prior restraint", which is almost never permitted for regulating the First Amendment could become obsolete in regulating the Second Amendment. We need a whole lot less government in our lives, and printable guns will make it clear that government can never disarm the American people enough to make the tyranny the left wants achievable.

37 posted on 05/07/2013 10:32:22 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Just thought I would bring it back:

“The Democrat Party is a Criminal Conspiracy”.

38 posted on 05/07/2013 10:33:39 AM PDT by Chief901 (Tyranny coming to an area near you soon !)
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To: SeekAndFind

I downloaded the file last night.

I have absolutely no way to use it but I just wanted to have it.

I felt like Rush when he goes ‘hee-hee-hee-hee.’


39 posted on 05/07/2013 10:33:45 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: brooklyn dave

Speaking of a new party .... something I wrote earlier, somewhat tongue-in-cheek (the new party idea isn’t, but the “third party” I mentioned, is).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3016527/posts?page=40#40


40 posted on 05/07/2013 10:34:13 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: SeekAndFind

Want a copy?

Here you go:

http://defcad.org/liberator/


41 posted on 05/07/2013 10:36:18 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: MissMagnolia

So cut back on Internet sales tax and I’ll give you my vote for gun control?

These pieces of excrement are completely out of control!


42 posted on 05/07/2013 10:36:47 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

Evidently he’s REALLY scared of Gabby Giffords & Mark Kelly so that excuses his tucking his tail and running. /s


43 posted on 05/07/2013 10:38:51 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: Mister Tea
I wouldn’t try firing a gun made of 3D printer plastic

I can tell you from personal observation that a 12 ga shotgun barrel made of white oak, fiberglass and epoxy held up to 10 firings.

44 posted on 05/07/2013 10:39:53 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: SeekAndFind
“We’re facing a situation where anyone — a felon, a terrorist — can open a gun factory in their garage

When I was last out in the shop, right before lunch, my unregistered lathe and milling machine were still right there.

If I was so inclined, I could be cranking out single-shot smoothbore .380s by the weekend.

I've only had that ablility for the last 2 decades or so, Chuckie..

/johnny

45 posted on 05/07/2013 10:41:01 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SeekAndFind
What are they going to do about all of the lathes and spot welding machines out there?


46 posted on 05/07/2013 10:41:15 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Rep. Israel said, “Security checkpoints, background checks, and gun regulations will do little good if criminals can print plastic firearms at home and bring those firearms through metal detectors with no one the wiser.

http://israel.house.gov/

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Checkpoints? This guy's nuts if he thinks criminals are going to bother leaning how to ‘print’ a gun. They're the folks who STEAL - that's why we call them criminals....

I'll also bet Mr. Israel is soft on crime.. and protects street criminals, rapists, thieves etc... He's after the second amendment... period.

47 posted on 05/07/2013 10:41:49 AM PDT by GOPJ ( A gang rape by eight isn't 'immigration reform'... Send the 33 million illegals home.)
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To: servo1969
I wouldn’t try firing a gun made of 3D printer plastic

It makes him sick because it BLASPHEMY! It's a challenge to the power of the state that filth like Schemer, 0, and all of their ilk worship. And the worst part about it is that he represents the viewpoint of the majority of the people in his electorate.

48 posted on 05/07/2013 10:43:10 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Schumer said Congress has to investigate all ways in which guns can be made and regulate them.”

A person can make a crude .22 out of a piece of metal and a hammer.

Regulate ‘this,’ Shummie.


49 posted on 05/07/2013 10:43:22 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: MissMagnolia

the NRA has no intention of becoming a political party—just wants to continue being the voice that it is. I have no reason to stay in the GOP—join the Constitution party or something—esp. because I live in NYC.


50 posted on 05/07/2013 10:43:48 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (I hope the FEMA camps are comfortable when they come for me)
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