Now...that's funny!
Posted on 05/08/2013 10:53:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, a newly elected Republican with a penchant for making headlines, filed an amendment that would bar undocumented immigrants currently living in the United States from ever earning citizenship.
There are an estimated 11 million people living in the country illegally, and a bipartisan immigration reform measure would create a pathway to citizenship over the course of 13 years by requiring those people to pay penalties and back taxes, as well as learn English. Conservatives opposed to reform decry the path as amnesty, but Democrats say they will not support reform that does not cope with the immigrants already living in the U.S.
Cruz also filed amendments that he says would "strengthen border security measures; reform the high-skilled temporary worker program; modernize, streamline and expand legal immigration; and prohibit federal, state or local entitlement benefits for those here illegally."(continued)
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We shouldn’t be legalizing illegals—period.
Even Marco Amnesty Rubio however has now noted that this monster of a bill can’t get passed without pulling back just a tad. Cruz’s proposal is a possible pull-back solution to try to get the monster through.
I agree—send them home.
But I’m in shock. I’ve found an article by David Frum that makes me believe that I agree with him more than Palin or Cruz on an issue:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2013/05/06/david-frum-a-nonsense-consensus-on-immigration.html
Cruz isn’t looking to enforce existing laws—he’s looking to legalize 30 million invaders who are here illegally.
Yes sir. He’s actually representing the people who voted for him.
Can't have those "voter id" laws stopping CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS from participating in our democratic process now can we?
(/sarc)
Can't have those "voter id" laws stopping CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS from participating in our democratic process now can we?
(/sarc)
Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
Absolutely.
Now...that's funny!
Not so. They cannot be drafted into military service etc. They do not have ANY of the responsibilities of a citizen. They are in the country but not part of the country.
Exactly the same as consulate personnel. they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US.
But they are subject to our laws and our jusrisdiction. They cannot be drafted because the law says they cannot. But if they rob or steal or kill then they can be arrested and tried and jailed if convicted.
Exactly the same as consulate personnel. they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US.
Diplomats are not subject to the jurisdiction because our laws give them immunity. The 'subject to the jurisdiction' clause was inserted to exclude people like foreign diplomats or visiting heads of state who enjoy immunity from our laws and who, should they or their spouse give birth while here, do not have a child who is a U.S. citizen.
Whatever happened to ‘no taxation without representation?’ If they are paying taxes, they will get the vote.
Pass this and the Democrats will drop the issue like a hot rock.
There are plenty of legal non citizens who work in the USA or any other country, for that matter, and therefore have to pay taxes. This doesn’t make them citizens nor give them any expectations of being able to vote. If this somehow becomes one of the conditions for immigration reform and for coming out of the shadows without the threat of deportation, so be it. I don’t understand the problem. This whole concept, if this is what Ted Cruz is talking about, may be the solution to the whole issue.
They aren’t excluded from becoming citizens. They can, if they choose, become American citizens. That’s the whole point.
If someone is here illegally they need to be deported. Letting them stay but not letting them become citizens isn’t going to work.
Here is the way it is. Eleven million people are NOT going to be deported. I can see a solution where these people can be alowed to stay because we aren’t going to send them home anyway. They do NOT need to be granted citizenship or allowed to vote. Why should they? As non citizens they also should NOT be allowed to collect any form of welfare including Obamacare. Why should they? If they do work they need to pay taxes just like everyone else. If they need help then there is family and private charity and also the option of going back home where their actual government could help. The American taxpayers can not shoulder the responsibility for every person in the world. In the future, the new immigration policies can never allow illegal aliens to pile up here again. These illegals came here to work or to be around family. They didn’t come here to become citizens or to vote and they shouldn’t be given those priviledges especially since their first act on American soil was to break our laws and violate our sovereignty.
“I can see a solution where these people can be alowed to stay because we aren’t going to send them home anyway.”
Then they are going to be able to vote.
“They do NOT need to be granted citizenship or allowed to vote.”
Yes, they can and they should. If we are allowing them to stay, live here, work and pay taxes, then they will have representation in Congress. No taxation without representation.
“Why should they?”
Because they pay taxes to the US and they have residency here in the US.
“As non citizens they also should NOT be allowed to collect any form of welfare including Obamacare.”
Again - if they are here and we make them legal, yes, they will have access to all of these things.
“If they do work they need to pay taxes just like everyone else.”
If they are paying taxes, then they ought to receive benefits from those same taxes.
“option of going back home where their actual government could help.”
This is their home. Once we let them in and make them legal - America is their home.
“The American taxpayers can not shoulder the responsibility for every person in the world.”
This is why welfare should be eliminated.
“In the future, the new immigration policies can never allow illegal aliens to pile up here again.”
So why are you repeating the same mistake as before? Deport them.
“They didn’t come here to become citizens or to vote”
Says who? You?
“they shouldn’t be given those priviledges especially since their first act on American soil was to break our laws and violate our sovereignty.”
If they are being granted Amnesty because the state is hungry for revenue, then this no longer matters.
The solution is simple. If found to be here illegally - deport them. Sure you might not get them all but you will get some.
Again and for the last time, deportation of 11 million people is not going to happen. It is silly to hang onto this idea because it is not going to happen. If they decide to stay, they do NOT have to be declared citizens or allowed to vote if the bill does not grant these priviledges. There are plenty of non citizen aliens in the USA and most other advanced countries in the world. The mere fact that they choose to live in a foreign country does not give them citizenship or the right to vote, or receive welfare payments period. Cruz’s suggestion that a path to citizenship be stripped from immigration reform is sensible and doable.
“If they decide to stay, they do NOT have to be declared citizens or allowed to vote if the bill does not grant these priviledges.”
If they become legal, then yes, they will get all these things.
“There are plenty of non citizen aliens in the USA and most other advanced countries in the world”
And they all have the ability to become citizens of their respective resident nations. This is no different. If they become legal they will gain this ability.
“The mere fact that they choose to live in a foreign country does not give them citizenship or the right to vote, or receive welfare payments period”
Over a period of time - they will have the ability to apply for these things. Again - if they are legal they will gain all of these things. Having a separate ‘class’ is unconstitutional via the 13th. Which - will apply to them once they are legal, all the legal protections available to Americans.
There are deep and significant ramifications to legalization.
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