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BENGHAZI MEANS NOTHING
boblonsberry.com | 05/09/13 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 05/09/2013 3:02:03 PM PDT by shortstop

Benghazi is not like Watergate.

It’s worse.

But it won’t have the same end.

In Benghazi, American military specialists, hurrying to relieve other Americans under fire, were twice ordered not to.

In Benghazi itself, they ignored the order and saved dozens. In Tripoli, they had to obey, and two brave former SEALS died as a result.

Let me repeat. American men at arms, ready and eager to go to the aid of their countrymen, were, in two separate incidents, ordered to stand down.

Two separate conscious decisions were made to let Americans die. The fundamental ethic of the American armed forces – leave no man behind – was violated.

We didn’t scramble jets, we didn’t send over the special operators from Tripoli, we didn’t come in from our Mediterranean fleet or our Italian bases, we didn’t fire a missile or divert a drone.

We didn’t even ask the Israelis or the Egyptians for help.

We just wrote them off. It’s not surprising that two more Americans died as a result, it’s surprising that only two more Americans died as a result.

When our government decided to do nothing to relieve besieged Americans, the issue was not two former SEALS, it was the survival of dozens of our countrymen. The compound under attack was providing refuge to a great many Americans, and as terrorists and their munitions surrounded those Americans, our government decided to stand down.

That is incomprehensible.

For the first time in our history, the demonstrated attitude of our government is that Americans are expendable.

That’s the first big thing.

The second is that the American government willfully, repeatedly and purposely lied to the American people.

Contrary to what we now know was the government’s understanding at the time, the Obama Administration denied terrorist involvement, spun some complete lie about an anti-Muslim movie, and purposely and significantly distorted and misreported what had happened.

Pressed on it, the secretary of State yelled at Congress. Asked to explain, the White House spokesman complained of partisanship.

And yesterday, in front of the TV cameras, in an open meeting, the No. 2 diplomat in Libya demonstrated under oath the dishonesty and dishonor of the administration.

And it all means nothing.

The press and the Democrats have characterized the entire inquiry as Republican hate mongering, some species of semi-racism undergirding any opposition to or disagreement with Barack Obama.

In the end, this won’t move the needle of public approval or public policy.

Which is how this is different from Watergate. In that criminal attempt to influence an election, the president’s party turned against him. In this criminal attempt to influence an election, the president’s party will stick with him.

Nixon fell because Republicans of conscience refused to tolerate his immoral and illegal activity. Obama will stand because Democrats have no conscience.

In the case of Nixon, Democrats opposed him universally before Watergate. The only shift in public thinking – the shift that pushed him out – was among Republicans. In the case of Obama, Democrats supported him universally before Benghazi. There will be no shift in their thinking. He will not be pushed out.

In fact, it is likely that among his supporters, he will become more popular, as the narrative of victimhood is wrapped around the poor president being beaten up by the hateful Republicans.

There is no record of an administration sacrificing citizens’ lives and patently lying to the American people. Obama holds the record on that.

And he is going to hold his office, too.

Not because he did the right thing, but because he’s got the right supporters. Supporters to whom party is more important than propriety.

It’s not about America, it’s about partisanship.

And dying is part of life.

Get over it.

And hope there’s something left of America when this monster gets done with it.


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To: shortstop

Then, we have some work to do. We have to explain why we are so disgusted with this administration’s actions in a way that Democrat voters can understand. Why did those two s**tbirds in Boston set off those bombs? They weren’t just juvenile delinquents out for a little fun. They killed children and blew off legs because of what is going on in the Middle East. It isn’t because of what’s going on in Australia. The Middle East. Libya is in the Middle East. Four Americans were killed in Libya. Four Americans were killed in Boston. Where will the next four be? And Obama and the Democrats are in the Middle East right up to their eyeballs. He’s already served one term. American foreign policy is his little bastard child now. You want to know why we’re upset with the Democrats? Go look at those amputees. And spare me the fanfare of fallacial arguments from the media. American foreign policy is Obama’s foreign policy. Don’t like it? Start writing about it honestly. Did they just sit in journalism classes and play with dolls so they never grew up?


51 posted on 05/09/2013 5:22:53 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Texas Songwriter
Why

It was easily foreseeable that the way Benghazi actually worked out, it offered red meat to conservatives and independents to go after Obama and Clinton.

Clinton did not request that Obama authorize the FEST team to start a rescue operation. Obama did not authorize that a rescue operation be started. Thompson's FEST team was left standing there, stunned, prevented from doing their jobs. Obama has obviously been derelict in his sworn duty and Hillary has had to make sure that her own appointed commission did not talk to her just to hide the truth as best she can.

Even on 9/11/12 it was quite easy to figure out that dereliction of duty would not be a good thing politically for the derelicts.

Even if this event was a "terror" event that went against their political narrative of there being no al kada threat - them doing nothing was still worse for them politically than them giving their approval for a rescue attempt. Denying the rescue looks like dereliction of duty - leaving Americans in the field to die. At least attempting a rescue would make the entire 312 million-strong American population rally behind them and their popularity would soar. Just for trying. The only reason any conservative has anything bad to say about them is because the order was given to stop the rescue. All they had to do was say ok and they would have had enormous support from liberals and conservatives alike - we'd all rally 'round the flag.

So for two people so connected and sneaky to be too "dumb?" to say "do it" - that's simply unbelievable.

On the other hand, let's imagine another outcome, an alternate course of history. If the Ambassador had not died, but was taken alive (he was taken to a hospital that was controlled by terrorists), Obama and Clinton would have had a fantastic opportunity to negotiate for the Ambassador's release.

Testimony has not yielded this yet, but I do get 4 when I add 2 plus 2.
52 posted on 05/09/2013 5:33:56 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: LibLieSlayer

No we will keep trying, and we will continue to be ignored by the Media and our Congressional politicians who have their heads up Obama’s butt.

Only 4 Republicans voted against John Kerry, Only 4 republicans in the Senate voted against amnesty.

There are only 4 Republicans left in the Congress.


53 posted on 05/09/2013 5:36:04 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: shortstop

Remember in Back to the Future when MacFly turns his hoverboard at the last minute, and the pursuing bully letterman jacket guys crash into a dump-truck, and their convertible gets filled with spilled poo...?

Well in THIS version, the poo gets all over MacFly —our guys.

And the Letterman jacket guys hi-five each other, drive home and hump all the cheerleaders.

And it’s because of the liberal media.


54 posted on 05/09/2013 5:41:53 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Venturer

Wanna hear something scary? This may come down to Bill Clinton stepping in and saving America from Obama.

Not the GOP. BILL CLINTON. Dear God we are screwed.


55 posted on 05/09/2013 5:44:00 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: LibLieSlayer

Call Congress.

202-225-3121


56 posted on 05/09/2013 5:58:31 PM PDT by Liberty Wins
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To: Venturer

Yes... We need a big party purge. I despise 90% of DC. At least the Conservatives in the Senate are fighting the rinos as hard as they are the rats. The media deserves a cigarette and a blindfold. They don’t even deserve that... I am being generous.

LLS


57 posted on 05/09/2013 6:11:01 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Liberty Wins

I have... and emailed boehner... and made certain that my guy has his head screwed on right... and he does!

LLS


58 posted on 05/09/2013 6:12:12 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: shortstop

Hotlink?


59 posted on 05/09/2013 7:55:08 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: shortstop

PFL


60 posted on 05/09/2013 8:18:11 PM PDT by Batman11 (Obama is not American.. he has no clue what it is to be American.)
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To: shortstop
When our government decided to do nothing to relieve besieged Americans, the issue was not two former SEALS, it was the survival of dozens of our countrymen. The compound under attack was providing refuge to a great many Americans, and as terrorists and their munitions surrounded those Americans, our government decided to stand down.

If we could wrap the average American's head around the idea that the Administration didn't just write off two, nor just those and the two former SEALs who came to their aid in spite of all, but a whole compound full of people who would likely have ended up dead, then perhaps the truly despicable nature of the ordered inaction on the part of the US Government would become manifest.

Recall the Reassignment/retirement of the Commanding officers of AFRICOM and the Stennis Carrier Group whose assets were well within range to help, and the CYA was operating as soon as Susan Rice started lying about the incident.

I remember Watergate, with all the networks in the DC Metro area tied up all day with live coverage of the hearings--over a second rate burglary where no one died.

This, where the US Government wrote off some 40 people, and where those who lived were saved by the valiant efforts of just a couple of men in spite of their own Government, deserves to be heard across the land, that those who acted with courage and honor get their due (if posthumous) praise, and that those who acted despicably be held to account.

Let the MSM note that they choose sides by their reporting, whether they will be praised in history or damned depends on their actions or lack thereof.

61 posted on 05/10/2013 2:46:52 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Think about this folks.

I have, Norm. See how the GOP has progressed from just throwing Conservatives under the bus? Now the help sweep the bodies under the rug.

62 posted on 05/10/2013 2:49:09 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: SC_Pete
If Schumer had a more intimate relationship with McCain and Graham, someone would have to throwof a bucket cold water on them.

It wouldn't help. The 'knot' has to go down on its own before you can separate them.

63 posted on 05/10/2013 2:51:48 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Texas Songwriter
OBAMA/CLINTON WANTED ALL OF THE AMERICANS IN BENGHAZI TO DIE.

Which brings up the simple question of "Why?"

We can figure it was to cover something up which might have leaked and been injurious to the administration, but that asks more questions than it answers.

SO, beneath it all, the question is one of just what was going on in Benghazi that the administration wanted to eliminate the actors/witnesses?

That is the deeper layer to all this that won't be revealed if no one peels the skin off the orange. There must have been a lot more to the story than just throwing three dozen people to the wolves.

64 posted on 05/10/2013 2:55:54 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Gun running to the Muslim Brotherhood. Smoke. Fire.


65 posted on 05/10/2013 3:20:08 AM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: ez

Likely you are right. Virtually every recent operation in North Africa has seemingly been to the benefit of the MB there, and may well have been lending a hand elsewhere (Syria) as well.


66 posted on 05/10/2013 3:24:12 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: The_Media_never_lie; Doogle
....this will only die if we let it.

It will not die, if we the people will not let it die.

Thank God in heaven above there are at least 2 people here who aren't listening to the trolls and suffering from battered woman's syndrome.

67 posted on 05/10/2013 3:32:32 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Smokin' Joe
Why?

I do not think the 32 people were sent to Benghazi to be killed. I think the "why" is that obama/clinton found themselves in a circumstance which required, in their minds, a decision. Remember the obama narative was...'Osama had been killed'...al Quaeda is on the run...(election declarations)...Suddenly, al Quaeda assaults the embassy (al Quaeda is alive and well..this contradicts the obama political narrative)...if found out obama looks like the idiot he is 7 weeks prior to the election.

OPTIONS: 1. Do everything he can do to save the personel at the consulate. 2. Allow the 32 people at the consulate be killed by the attackers and continue with the political ruse.

Obama/Clinton chose the second choice.

68 posted on 05/10/2013 3:37:31 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (')
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To: shortstop

http://boblonsberry.com/writings.cfm?story=3547&go=4


69 posted on 05/10/2013 3:43:40 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Nita Nupress

please see my post#5

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3017748/posts


70 posted on 05/10/2013 3:51:03 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Texas Songwriter
Interesting take on the event, and possibly correct.

IMHO, Clinton scrubbed John Does with probable islamic ties from OK City bombing and then sanitized the fate of Flight 800 for the same reason (as well as blaming OK CIty on 'Right-Winged Extremists" which took most of the heat off the ATF for Waco).

Even the WTC bombing was downplayed, and later that led to a big event which was undeniable--9/11

If Clinton, et. al. had admitted there was a 'problem', it would have necessitated a response the administration was ill equipped to deliver and damaged the kumbaya fable that all was well with the world (at least until he had to wag the dog).

71 posted on 05/10/2013 4:25:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Nita Nupress

Agree. Some here on FR want to give up and assume the “noble victim” persona. They seem to enjoy being in that status.

Another pitfall: refusing to adopt legal means to take back our country because “we are better than that”, meaning conservatives just don’t do that. If it works for the left, it will work for us, and we must do it. Of course, it must be legal.


72 posted on 05/10/2013 5:00:21 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Truth be told.


73 posted on 05/10/2013 5:32:14 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: LibLieSlayer

I trust Boehner a lot more than I do Old McConnell and his Animal Farm.


74 posted on 05/10/2013 5:38:37 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete

Heck Pete... I don’t trust any of them.

LLS


75 posted on 05/10/2013 7:16:11 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I guess I’m really in your camp.


76 posted on 05/10/2013 7:51:49 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete
I would never have in my wildest dreams... ever thought that America could sink as low as it has in the last 6 years. We always talked about the fact that if something didn’t change... it would happen... but it has happened in such a way as to boggle the mind... along with a loss of the minds of more than half of this country. Some Americans are just certifiably insane.

LLS

77 posted on 05/10/2013 7:57:02 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Texas Songwriter
"I have thought about this for months. Only one answer come to mind.

Obama/Clinton made a political calculus....what is more potentially politically dangerous....

To save the Americans, making obamas past statements that "al Quaeda is on the run" an obvious lie,

or cut all 36 Americans loose to the terrorists,

then have a ceremony, calling them all dedicated servants, heroic in all ways,

placating their families with words, telling them lies, and then moving on.

ONLY ONE THING RINGS TRUE."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You may have the workings of a new song here ...

OBAMA/CLINTON WANTED ALL OF THE AMERICANS TO DIE. DEAD PEOPLE DO NOT TALK. DEAD PEOPLE DO NOT BECOME WHISTLE-BLOWERS. DEAD PEOPLE CAN BE DESCRIBED ANY WAY OBAMA WANTS TO DESCRIBE THEM WITHOUT BEING CONTRADICTED. OBAMA/CLINTON WANTED ALL OF THE AMERICANS IN BENGHAZI TO DIE. + Nothing else makes sense.

78 posted on 05/10/2013 8:39:28 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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To: LibLieSlayer

The US is being systematically dismantled: philosophically, socially, economically.


79 posted on 05/10/2013 8:42:40 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: LibLieSlayer
My sentiments exactly.

would never have in my wildest dreams... ever thought that America could sink as low as it has in the last 6 years. We always talked about the fact that if something didn’t change... it would happen... but it has happened in such a way as to boggle the mind... along with a loss of the minds of more than half of this country. Some Americans are just certifiably insane.

80 posted on 05/10/2013 8:46:16 AM PDT by uncitizen
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To: SC_Pete

Yes indeed... and it is killing me to watch it happen.

LLS


81 posted on 05/10/2013 9:44:00 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: uncitizen

We must defeat these vermin.

LLS


82 posted on 05/10/2013 9:44:56 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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