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German Family Denied Asylum, HSLDA Appeals
HSLDA ^ | May 14, 2013 | HSLDA

Posted on 05/14/2013 10:24:56 AM PDT by Sopater

The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals today upheld the Obama Administration’s denial of asylum granted to the Romeike family.

The Romeikes fled Germany in 2008 when they were subjected to criminal prosecution for homeschooling. They were granted asylum in 2010 by Immigration Judge Lawrence O. Burman, but that grant was overturned by the Board of Immigration Appeals in 2012. A three-judge panel of the Sixth Circuit heard the Romeikes’ appeal on April 23 in Cincinnati, and issued today’s unanimous decision against the family.

“We believe the Sixth Circuit is wrong, and we will appeal their decision,” said Michael Farris, HSLDA founder and chairman. “America has room for this family, and we will do everything we can to help them.”

The court said that the Romeikes had not made a sufficient case, and that the United States has not opened its doors to every victim of unfair treatment. Although the court acknowledged that the U.S. Constitution recognizes the rights of parents to direct the education and upbringing of their children, it refused to concede that the harsh treatment of religiously and philosophically motivated homeschoolers in Germany amounts to persecution within our laws on asylum.

“Germany continues to persecute homeschoolers,” said Mike Donnelly, HSLDA director of international affairs. “The court ignored mountains of evidence that homeschoolers are harshly fined and that custody of their children is gravely threatened—something most people would call persecution. This is what the Romeikes will suffer if they are sent back to Germany.”

HSLDA will appeal the Sixth Circuit’s ruling. Please continue to keep the Romeike family and HSLDA’s litigation team in your thoughts and prayers.

Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA) is a 30-year-old, 85,000 member non-profit organization and the preeminent national association advocating the legal right of parents to homeschool their children.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Germany; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: frhf; homeschool; hslda; obamanation; parentalrights; romeike; sixthcourt
Parental rights take a backseat to Gov't authority.
1 posted on 05/14/2013 10:24:56 AM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater

They should have just walked across the border with Mexico.

Or said they were from Chechnya.

(Some immigrants get to stay here. Some—like those pesky
Christians—don’t.)


2 posted on 05/14/2013 10:26:31 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

I’m told that the whole reason that they are in this pickle is because they followed legal immigration protocol in the first place. I guess this just shows that it truly is easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission.


3 posted on 05/14/2013 10:30:15 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater

Tsk tsk...They are doing it ALL wrong! All they had to do is claim Islamic terrorist status and have two countries to vouch for their terrorism, then they could have easily gotten in and with $100k in welfare to boot!


4 posted on 05/14/2013 10:30:27 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: CondorFlight

Unlike regular terrorists and gang-bangers these people are dangerous dissidents. No place for political criminals in USSA.


5 posted on 05/14/2013 10:32:02 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Sopater

Which congress members are helping and supporting them?


6 posted on 05/14/2013 10:32:06 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Sopater

Muslims and Mexicans are welcome though.


7 posted on 05/14/2013 10:32:56 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Sopater

Frankly, I agree with the court.

It is bad enough we don’t craft our immigration policy to fit OUR needs. The last thing we need is to grant asylum to people who object to the rules and laws of their country. All of China and Eastern Asia would be lined up.

This isn’t OUR battle — we have a tough enough time protecting Homeschoolers in America.


8 posted on 05/14/2013 10:34:12 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: CondorFlight

The father is a highly skilled concert pianist teacher....

Nooo, we don’t need people who are highly skilled and capable, we need people who are poorly educated and who will reliably pull the lever for the Democrap party...

Why accept highly motivated highly skilled people into the country..... When you can import morons who are nothing but lever pullers who will breed more generations of lever pullers...


9 posted on 05/14/2013 10:34:20 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: freedumb2003

I disagree wholeheartedly.


10 posted on 05/14/2013 10:37:18 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (I haven't even started to procrastinate.)
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To: Sopater

Yes——can’t have people who teach concepts of individualism-—self-reliance —on God, not the State. Children not forced into “Group Think” institutions are extremely dangerous-—they become the Lincolns/Churchills/Pattons.

Have to erase the ideology which created the Age of Reason and the USA as Founded-—that human beings are designed to be their own masters under God.

German schools were the first to implement mass indoctrination techniques-—the Prussian System of education that Pastor Bonhoeffer’s mother so hated-—and refused to allow her children to enter until after the age of Reason (7).


11 posted on 05/14/2013 10:38:31 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: freedumb2003

We need more people who will object to their country’s ungodly laws.


12 posted on 05/14/2013 10:40:24 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: GraceG

13 posted on 05/14/2013 10:41:11 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: GraceG
The father is a highly skilled concert pianist teacher.... Nooo, we don’t need people who are highly skilled and capable, we need people who are poorly educated and who will reliably pull the lever for the Democrap party...

It's not just these people. If a court rules that denial of the right to homeschool is "persecution," then, by law, anyone in the world denied the right to homeschool has an absolute legal right to immigrate to the U.S.

14 posted on 05/14/2013 10:45:33 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: freedumb2003

German schools are mass indoctrination system-—no different than Lenin’s system where human beings are controlled by the State and assigned to “schools” at a young age.

Their system is designed to remove children from parents and make them slaves of the state-—indoctrinate the children and de-Christianize them-—to create non-thinking workers for the state, conditioned into slavery.

It is the communist system......we are trying to set up that same system with Common Core——it is evil. We should always fight evil and give refuge to those who want freedom and teach their children the ideals that Founded this Nation.

Those German children will think like the Mark Twains-—the Lincolns-—the George Pattons——Freedom demands those type of people....not the mindset of children programmed from cradle to grave-—like in Germany and like in American Public Schools from Jimmy Carters DOE America where children learn dependence and the correct “feelings” (fuzzy/tree huggers/worship mother Earth, Pride in sodomy) for the Marxist (anti-Christian/independent) ideology.


15 posted on 05/14/2013 10:47:08 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Sopater

IN THE MEANTIME, they should get one of those Congressmen in Washington to introduce a Congressional Bill granting them citizenship.

Congress has that authority and it has been done before - OFTEN - with other people.

It would trump the actions of the anti-white, anti-Christian Muslim lapdog polluting the oval office with his droppings.


16 posted on 05/14/2013 10:49:48 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/))
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To: Lurking Libertarian

It’s not just these people. If a court rules that denial of the right to homeschool is “persecution,” then, by law, anyone in the world denied the right to homeschool has an absolute legal right to immigrate to the U.S.

It also helps sets the precedent to persecute citizen homeschoolers IN the United States....


17 posted on 05/14/2013 10:51:50 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Sopater
since most of those in DC are pro amnesty thus implying there is plenty of room in the USA for illegal alien Mexicans, this denial for a German family to stay here has to be based on racism
18 posted on 05/14/2013 10:54:19 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: Sopater

Our immigration policy, thanks to Ted Kennedy, is not just tilted toward third world human debris but has been destroyed to the point of rejecting those who could contribute to our country.

While the dems/rinos fight for the illegal vote, we are on the sidelines funding the teat suckers all the while watching those who are willing to contribute rejected.


19 posted on 05/14/2013 10:57:34 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Sopater

Geoproximity racism at it’s finest.

My advice to the family , join La Raza.


20 posted on 05/14/2013 10:58:30 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: Sopater

But, of course, there’s always plenty of room for illegal aliens and illiterate Africans.

The problem, of course, is that these groups can be relied upon to vote Democrat; an educated European refugee, however, might - gasp! - turn out to be a Republican.

And, let’s face it, the very notion of homeschooling threatens the government hegemony on early brainwashing via its NEA lackeys, something which is critical to grooming the next generation of Nanny Staters.


21 posted on 05/14/2013 11:01:48 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Sopater

The brothers Tsarnaev, moslem chehen terrorists, get a pass. Kill Americans.

Normal husband-wife-children homeschooling christian family gets the bum’s rush.

Welcome to 0bamastan.


22 posted on 05/14/2013 11:10:33 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: freedumb2003
This isn’t OUR battle — we have a tough enough time protecting Homeschoolers in America.

However, these are the kind of people that America should be recruiting.
23 posted on 05/14/2013 11:12:24 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: ZULU
they should get one of those Congressmen in Washington to introduce a Congressional Bill granting them citizenship.

... maybe "we" should.
24 posted on 05/14/2013 11:16:35 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater

They should just tell the government they’re oppressed, half-black, muslims from Kenya and they will be granted asylum on the spot.


25 posted on 05/14/2013 11:18:05 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Freebies, Home of the Enslaved)
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To: Iron Munro
They should just tell the government they’re oppressed, half-black, muslims from Kenya and they will be granted asylum on the spot.

...and that they would vote Democrat if given the opportunity to vote.
26 posted on 05/14/2013 11:28:01 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record—Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

#41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

http://rense.com/general32/americ.htm


27 posted on 05/14/2013 11:41:13 AM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Shimmer1

A fight for liberty and rights anywhere is a fight for rights and liberty everywhere.


28 posted on 05/14/2013 11:42:20 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Sopater

The thing that angers me most about this case is that they were originally granted asylum, and Holder et al reached down and actively appealed the grant of asylum.

They could have just let it be, but NOOOOO....


29 posted on 05/14/2013 11:44:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: freedumb2003; Sopater; freedomfiter2; Shimmer1; savagesusie; MrB
freedumb2003 wrote: "Frankly, I agree with the court. It is bad enough we don’t craft our immigration policy to fit OUR needs. The last thing we need is to grant asylum to people who object to the rules and laws of their country. All of China and Eastern Asia would be lined up. This isn't OUR battle — we have a tough enough time protecting Homeschoolers in America."


This case is about so much more than a German family wishing to homeschool their children. This is about all parents' rights to oversee, influence and direct the education, religious upbringing and healthcare of their own children.

The long term ramifications of the case impact much more in the United States than the homeschooling issue. Prior to the Romeikes' arrival in the United States, the German government had been preparing to permanently remove the Romeike children from their parents' care.

The United States Sixth Court of Appeals has in effect, sent a strong message to American parents that they can also expect the American government to micromanage the raising of American children. If the parents object to anything they are ordered to do by the government, such as forced enrollment in government approved public schools; forced acceptance of all medical treatment including recommendations from untrained school officials; forced acceptance of potentially unnecessary medical treatment, including surgery, with no right to a second opinion, when parents refuse, they can expect the government to remove American children from American homes.

The shocking April 2013 case in Sacramento, California where parents observed a hospital nurse administering antibiotics to their infant which was against the orders of the infant's doctor, were then told by the hospital officials that their infant needed immediate cardiac surgery. The parents then sought a second opinion from another hospital. The second hospital had said that the infant was fine, had the flu and had sent the parents home with their infant. The second hospital disagreed with the first hospital's demand that the infant be subjected to immediate surgery.

However the first hospital phoned police and CPS, who without consulting the second hospital, forced entry without warrant into the parents' home and took the crying infant out of the Mother's arms and into official custody of the government.

The You Tube video showing a CPS social worker instructing the Mother that she had no rights, that her infant had been ordered by a doctor at the first hospital to have immediate surgery; informing the Mother that she had no right to disagree and had no right to ask where the police and CPS were taking her baby; and the CPS social worker informing the Mother that she (the Mother) was acting irrationally when she asked where they were taking her infant, and all of this while her husband was outside on the ground after being knocked down by the police, is chilling.

The case is far from over. CPS still has authority over the infant and is controlling the parents' daily activities with their infant.

A Family's Nightmare - Baby Taken After Parents Seek 2nd Opinion


30 posted on 05/14/2013 11:58:41 AM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

You’re right. Sooner or later we’ll be facing a justice system that is based on international law. If we conservatives stick to defense we’ll lose. We have to keep the evil left on defense world wide as much as we can.


31 posted on 05/14/2013 12:33:23 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2
freedomfiter2 wrote: " You’re right. Sooner or later we’ll be facing a justice system that is based on international law. If we conservatives stick to defense we’ll lose. We have to keep the evil left on defense world wide as much as we can."


Excellent point. Thanks.


32 posted on 05/14/2013 12:52:29 PM PDT by bd476
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To: GraceG

“Although the court acknowledged that the U.S. Constitution recognizes the rights of parents to direct the education and upbringing of their children, it refused to concede that the harsh treatment of religiously and philosophically motivated homeschoolers in Germany amounts to persecution within our laws on asylum.”


33 posted on 05/14/2013 12:53:08 PM PDT by goldi
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To: goldi

“Although the court acknowledged that the U.S. Constitution recognizes the rights of parents to direct the education and upbringing of their children, it refused to concede that the harsh treatment of religiously and philosophically motivated homeschoolers in Germany amounts to persecution within our laws on asylum.”

it refused to concede that the harsh treatment of religiously and philosophically motivated homeschoolers in Germany amounts to persecution within our laws on asylum

This is epsecially ironic in light of the recent IRS tyranny...


34 posted on 05/14/2013 1:15:30 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: MrB

The thing that angers me most about this case is that they were originally granted asylum, and Holder et al reached down and actively appealed the grant of asylum.

They could have just let it be, but NOOOOO....

Especially given the fact that Holder’s gang has been sitting on student visa expiration information for certain well connected people tired to a certain middle east country.....

They passively allow people staying on expired student visas and actively go after people who have allready been approved for asylum.... Because the asylum goes against Holder’s and Obama’s PERSONAL Beliefs on Homeschooling....

So does that mean keeping Jihadis here on expired visas is PRECISELY because Obama’s and Holder’s personal beliefs.......

If so, that is scary damned thought...


35 posted on 05/14/2013 1:21:09 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: freedumb2003

WRONG


36 posted on 05/14/2013 3:05:24 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: kitkat

>>WRONG<<

RIGHT!

See, I can debate just as well as you!


37 posted on 05/14/2013 3:11:20 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: Sopater

Right.

WE!!!


38 posted on 05/14/2013 6:01:58 PM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/))
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To: savagesusie
Their system is designed to remove children from parents and make them slaves of the state-—indoctrinate the children and de-Christianize them-—to create non-thinking workers for the state, conditioned into slavery.

Please don't mistake this as a defense of the German homeschooling ban, which it is not. But with all due respect, what you say isn't strictly true. Yes, state run public schools are the norm in Germany. And yes, homeschooling as practised in the US is illegal in Germany. However, it's more complex than that.

a.) There is no strict separation of church and state as in the US. As a result, even public schools offer religious education. Often the religion teacher is the town pastor. There is some variation from state to state (e.g. a city state like Berlin might offer ethics courses as standard and make religious courses optional, whereas in other states the whole school might be denominational, e.g. a catholic or protestant public school).
b.) For those who find 2 hours per week of moderate Lutheranism or Roman Catholicism insufficient, there is a huge variety of religious private schools. These schools get similar tax money allocation per child as public schools, so except for posh boarding schools, they are often quite affordable.
c.) If even a conservative, church-run catholic school is to milquetoast, there is also the option of Zwergschulen (dwarf schools). German law says that pupils have the right to a teacher with an education degree, it doesn't say that they have to attend state-run schools. Most religious communities have no problems finding children from half a dozen families and and someone with a background in education amongst their midst to start their own private "dwarf" schools.

The reason why the Romeike case is not much of an issue in Germany is because there are very few religious parents who have a problem with the current system. In many ways the issue is more about sensitivities in the US than about Germany.
39 posted on 05/15/2013 12:17:19 PM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: wolf78

My objections to German schools go much deeper than what you discuss-—it goes to the Postmodernism—the Fichte/Wundt/ Hegelian/Marxism/Nietzschean ideology which is the only allowed “mindset” of Germans. You can not escape the indoctrination into irrationality and slavery.

The “religion” in Germany is controlled by the State-—as Pastor Bonhoeffer refused the mainline “churches” in Germany, even before Hitler took them over in the 30’s-—they were already “de-Christianized” at that point——with the “Filth from the Rhine and the vulgar Weimar Republic corrupting the Youth”—(Postmodernist ideology) that ideology of the Frankfurt school and the preceding 18th century philosophers who actually “killed” off God and the Christian “ethical” system, and kicked out all Classical philosophy (Reason) for Dialectical Materialism and Postmodernism.

As Hannah Arendt stated, political theory started with Socrates and ended with Marx. The fundamental Natural Duty of human beings is to care for their offspring, nurture them, and transmit their worldview and traditions. Any other system which separates young children from their biological parents inculcates an artificial, sterile, dehumanized world. Children will not “flourish” as they were designed-—in a Natural way and will be “trained” and conditioned by the State. They will be dehumanized to an extend-—be a part of a collective-—with collective “rights”—where individualism is crushed and punished. Individuals are expendable, and it all depends on the “rulers” who can live, speak and participate in the government. Some Ideas will be punished.

The State can never transmit “values” which lead to uniqueness, individualism, “thinking-outside-the-box” the way the natural family is designed to do. People like Lincoln could not exist or will not be “produced” in today’s Germany-—they are forced into a “group think” factory at a young age and controlled in a Marxist’s design—Top Down control. Uniqueness, love of God, is nearly impossible. Pressure to be one of the “herd” is instilled and inculcated in the Prussian system of education.

Parents in Germany are not treated as “masters”-—as adults. They are controlled by the State with little, if any, allowed autonomy. The force of government will crush any dissent-—like it does to human beings who want to raise their children as God designed them to be raised——in the most humane way-—not institutionalized where they are forced into a group “think” atmosphere with dozens of immature children who all are dictated to and controlled every minute (unlike the childhood of a Lincoln or Mark Twain) and all individuality is crushed and vilified. Humiliation faces all children who “think outside the box”.

There is only ONE allowed ideology/ethical system in Germany. There is no god, but the State and the State controls all allowed perceptions and ethics and what “type” of god you can worship. The Christian god the pastors worship-—is not the God of the Bible. Truth is never allowed—only irrational ideology of Postmodernists. Natural Law (science) is thrown out-—there are no Laws of Nature, and Rights are dictated by the State—never God or Natural Laws.

What they don’t allow is the “individualism” (free will) and autonomy of the adults to actually be adults and control their own lives and their children’s lives——they dictate everything-—give them little “choices” but not the major ones-—like controlling the worldview of their own children.

The children are really owned by the State. They dictate everything the parents can and can not do. Their system of education forces compliance/dependence/and destroys all incentives which lead to individualism—ideas which threaten the control of the State.

True Freedom is “scary” to most people——especially those who grow up in a systemized society like Germany which conditions and indoctrinates into irrational atheism and worship of the State. They become little happy campers-—loving the State making all their major life decisions. They don’t even (can’t ) understand that they are really slaves and their “lives” are worthless. They are reduced to termites in a colony——total dehumanization.


40 posted on 05/15/2013 5:02:41 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: wolf78

BTW, it was JS Mill who stated in “On Liberty”.....when the government controls education, the State will only make slaves for the State, they will never “educate”—they will indoctrinate. It is why our Founders wanted local control of schools (parent control).

We all know Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. It is a fact.

BTW, our system is also unconstitutional....Common Core is as insidious as any Marxist curricula and as dehumanizing. As is Goals 2000, Race to the Top, etc.
All written by hard core Marxists-—to make slaves (de-Christianize) for the state (corporations). Christianity teaches dignity and worth of individuals and not the “collective” like Marx, so Christian Ethics (God) has to go.


41 posted on 05/15/2013 5:13:02 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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