Posted on 05/22/2013 5:02:23 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
Why bother firing them? Throw them in prison! Failing that, there’s a tree over there... we could probably find some rope.
AS FREEPER GRAMPADAVE INSIGHTFULLY POSTED: Take over both the house and $inate and keep Obozo in office as a living reason for sane Americans to get rid of Rats in Congress and across the country. Tell the rats we want to keep Herr Obozo in office while we remove his fellow rats. If they/the rats want him out of office because he is killing their party, they can do it.
FReeper showme_the_Glory reminds us of the practice of "pencil whipping." Pencil whipping (falsifying) an official document incurs jailtime.
TEA PARTIERS NOTE WELL Scrutinize all IRS documents. If the IRS falsified official documents---that usually involves about 4-5 felonies...... and could include forgery.
Most of the people that need firing are political appointees and not subject to process discussed. I’ve been in the government civilian side for about 10 years and I agree its hard to fire a GS but not impossible. In this case it will be very hard IF there is no history of poor performance and if they were following instructions.
While this is a problem in singling out conservative groupsd it may not be “technically” illegal. In that case no firing would likely hold up to an appeal with no past history, no illegal activity and instructions from their supervisor.
Actually, firing a GS may help this case if they have something in writing directing them to target these groups. That’s why I always archive my email and print a hard copy of anything that might come back to bite me.
Hugh Hewitt has covered this many times on his show. He used to be an attorney in the Office of Personnel Management. He had walked thru chapter and verse on how, at the end of the day, it is virtually impossible to fire a Federal employee.
The recent years since 9/11 have proven our elected representatives have little to no interest in presenting or passing legislation that passes constitutional muster. A myriad of laws such as Patriot Act, GM takeover, NDAA, Bankster bailouts, Operating government without formal budget, mandated Healthcare and coming legislative assaults on second amendment all point to an out of control nearly, if not actually, tyranical government our founders never intended but clearly warned us about.
In other threads I have touched on the subject of the oath of office and find its treated as just words to be said but no one holds those taking the oath responsible so I thought it a good topic for discussion especially since violating the oath is codified as a violation of federal law and executive order.
The oath taken by both houses of Congress reads,
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God
Congressional Oath of Office
It is apparent that the section of the oath that seems almost daily violated by politicians is “I will bear true faith and allegience to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without reservation or purpose of evasion;”
The congress as a whole along with the executive branch has been knowingly presenting legislation contrary to the constitution and then relying on legal challenges to make it to supreme court for final disposition, that folks is still a violation of the oath taken no matter the lawyeristic manuever of passing legislation as constitutional and waiting for a challenge. If these were your children you would immediately scold for exceeding limits by their hope of getting away with trouble but suffering consequences for only the most egregious just by sheer quantity, its evasive both by congress and by children, both should be accountable.
Below is the most detailed listing of codes covering the subject of congressional oath and pealties for violation,
Federal law regulating oath of office by government officials is divided into four parts along with an executive order which further defines the law for purposes of enforcement. 5 U.S.C. 3331, provides the text of the actual oath of office members of Congress are required to take before assuming office. 5 U.S.C. 3333 requires members of Congress sign an affidavit that they have taken the oath of office required by 5 U.S.C. 3331 and have not or will not violate that oath of office during their tenure of office as defined by the third part of the law, 5 U.S.C. 7311 which explicitly makes it a federal criminal offense (and a violation of oath of office) for anyone employed in the United States Government (including members of Congress) to “advocate the overthrow of our constitutional form of government”. The fourth federal law, 18 U.S.C. 1918 provides penalties for violation of oath office described in 5 U.S.C. 7311 which include: (1) removal from office and; (2) confinement or a fine.
The definition of “advocate” is further specified in Executive Order 10450 which for the purposes of enforcement supplements 5 U.S.C. 7311. One provision of Executive Order 10450 specifies it is a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 for any person taking the oath of office to advocate “the alteration ... of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means.” Our form of government is defined by the Constitution of the United States. It can only be “altered” by constitutional amendment. Thus, according to Executive Order 10450 (and therefore 5 U.S. 7311) any act taken by government officials who have taken the oath of office prescribed by 5 U.S.C. 3331which alters the form of government other by amendment, is a criminal violation of the 5 U.S.C. 7311.
Violating Oath
The subject I am bringing to the table is “why do the American people allow their representatives to break oath of office (a federal crime) and not hold them accountable?
This should be a non-partisan subject simply due to the fact this has been going on for long decades and both parties are guilty according to the law.
I have myself watched a slow and steady deterioration of personal freedom going on fourty years and the accumulation is IMHO about to reach a tipping point where those hard fought rights become meaningless.
The scales could be tipped back somewhat if the public had awareness that the oath has teeth and voiced expectation that it be taken seriously.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread912761/pg1
It took three years to convict the guy of what was a clear cut case, and it wasn't until years later when all the appeals were finished (and denied), that the teacher could be fired.
Unions, such a fine invention for criminals.........
Oops. Forgot to say the guy was collecting his salary and benefits the whole time the trial and appeals were going on.
Why would they be fired. They were skilfully doing what they were hired and expected to do.
There is no other way , believe me.
It honk instructions from the supervisor is the key. Some of the supervisors may have been careless and left tracks, because I have no doubt they got this for their next in line and thought they were covered. Hopefully, there are enough moments of carelessness that it will be possible to trace it all back to the source: Obama.
And the Senate is trying to sneak a MONSTROUS, nation-killing, amnesty bill, while everyone is looking elsewhere......
LOL!!
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