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The claim that the ongoing IRS scandal is limited to low level employees is falling apart.
Fox 19 Cincinnati Ohio ^ | May 21 2013 | Ben Swan

Posted on 05/22/2013 6:36:30 PM PDT by crosslink

The six Cincinnati workers we have identified, who sent scrutinizing letters to conservative groups with words including "patriot, liberty, tea party or 9-12" in their names are Mitchel Steele, Carly Young, Joseph Herr, Stephen Seok, Liz Hofacre and a woman identified only as Ms. Richards.

But was all of this done at the hands of a small group of Cincinnati employees working together? During Friday's congressional hearing, that appeared to be the theme. Now, that explanation just became less likely.

Mitchel Steele, Carly Young, Joseph Herr and Liz Hofacre are IRS agents. Stephen Seok is a supervisor IRS agent But according to the IRS employee directory that FOX19 has obtained exclusively, each of these agents has a different manager and then above them a different territory manager. That is important because while it may sound reasonable to the average person that these workers began targeting groups on their own, the IRS structure is designed to Keep in mind, at least 300 groups were targeted out of Cincinnati alone. Those applications spent anywhere from 18 months to nearly 3 years in the system and some still don't have their non-profit status. 300 groups multiplied by at least 18 months for each group, means thousands of red flags would have been generated in the system.

So who in the chain of command would have received all these flags? The answer, according to the IRS directory, one woman in Cincinnati, Cindy Thomas, the Program Manager of the Tax Exempt Division. Because all six of our IRS workers have different individual and territory managers, Cindy Thomas is one manager they all have common.

It turns out Cindy Thomas' name is one we have heard before. The independent journalism group ProPublica says in November of 2012 they had requested information on conservatives groups that had received non-profit status. Along with that information, the IRS released private information on nine conservative groups that had not yet been approved and personal information had not been redacted. The person who signed off on that release, Cindy Thomas.

What this means for you... consider this chain of command since the story broke.

Former Acting IRS Commissioner Steven Miller… retires

Joseph Grant, Commissioner of Tax Exempt and Government Entities... retires.

Lois Lerner, Head of Exempt Organization…says she will invoke her 5th amendment right to not incriminate herself when called before Congress on Wednesday.

Holly Paz, Director of Exempt Organizations, subpoenaed to Washington to be interviewed by members of Congress.

All of this IRS leadership, in Washington D.C.

Then one level down is Cindy Thomas, the highest ranking employee in Cincinnati in this Tax Exempt and Government Entities Department that no one in Congress is talking to... yet.

Watch video


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: benswan; cindythomas; irs; irscincinnati; irspropublica; irsscandal; obama; propublica
Takes a local reporter to find out the story, great summary of structure of IRS , no way DC didn't know
1 posted on 05/22/2013 6:36:30 PM PDT by crosslink
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2 posted on 05/22/2013 6:37:51 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: maggief; onyx; TigersEye; penelopesire; ConservativeMan55; AllAmericanGirl44; Nachum; Jet Jaguar

Make sure you watch the video at the site, great report.


3 posted on 05/22/2013 6:38:50 PM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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It was just a Clintonian stalling tactic..


4 posted on 05/22/2013 6:39:32 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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IRS has watchers watching watchers, but how does their correspondence control system work ~ I remember Shulin doing a guest appearance before a USPS group ages back telling us how great it would be ~ and that higher level managers could review AND CHANGE correspondence as it was prepared at the staff level.

So, did they do that? If so the staffers at Cincy may well be unaware of how much cr*p was distributed under their names.

They should lawyer up.

5 posted on 05/22/2013 6:47:17 PM PDT by muawiyah
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“and a woman identified only as Ms. Richards. “

Could this come from use of one of those ‘secondary’ Email accounts like the EPA uses to hide their criminal activity ?


6 posted on 05/22/2013 6:53:03 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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Well, if you can link her to Colleen M. Kelley, you’ve got the chain of command complete from Obama.


7 posted on 05/22/2013 6:56:11 PM PDT by chopperman
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What do we know about Cindy Thomas

Then one level down is Cindy Thomas, the highest ranking employee in Cincinnati in this Tax Exempt and Government Entities Department that no one in Congress is talking to... yet.


8 posted on 05/22/2013 7:00:28 PM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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similar thread

Reality Check Exclusive: Cincinnati agent giving orders in IRS scandal?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3022350/posts


9 posted on 05/22/2013 7:02:15 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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Low level government employees do what they are told by their bosses. Anyone with 1/2 of a brain knows that.


10 posted on 05/22/2013 7:05:44 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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Falling apart?

Gee, couldn’t be because it was apack of lies from the start?

This directive came from the top. Remains to be seen if Issa et al can clean all the snakes out of the vipers pit...


11 posted on 05/22/2013 7:07:09 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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Cindy Thomas is low-level. Take this up the 01/11 chain.

Thomas-Paz-Lerner-Ingram-Miller-Shulman

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/98949248/Slide-1-TreasuryDirect


12 posted on 05/22/2013 7:07:12 PM PDT by maggief
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Has anyone found a picture of Cindy M. Thomas?


13 posted on 05/22/2013 7:14:37 PM PDT by charlie72
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do we have pics of any of them?


14 posted on 05/22/2013 7:22:07 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: maggief

Thanks Maggie


15 posted on 05/22/2013 7:30:53 PM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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Press secretary Jay Carney explained earlier today, “We have adopted as a cardinal rule that these unfortunate incidents were caused by lower-level, rogue underlings. With frikken lasers on their heads.”


16 posted on 05/22/2013 7:40:19 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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17 posted on 05/22/2013 7:52:16 PM PDT by Route395
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To: maggief

Thank you for the link.

Here is the lineup from the IRS Org Chart and the Fox19 report:

Washington
Steve Miller Acting IRS Commissioner-retires
Sarah Hall Ingram Commissioner of TEGE
Now head of Obamacare enforcement
Joseph Grant Commissioner of TEGE replaced Ingram; shortly thereafter retires
Lois Lerner Director of EO-takes the 5th
Holly Paz Acting Dir Rulings & Agreements
under subpoena

Cincinnati
Cindy Thomas Manager Determination
Donna Abner Manager Determination & QA
David Fish Manager Guidance

Stephen Seok Supervisor
Mitchel Steele Agent
Carly Young Agent
Joseph Herr Agent
Liz Hofacre Agent
Ms. Richards Agent

From http://www.docstoc.com/docs/98949248/Slide-1-TreasuryDirect and the Fox19 Cincinnati report.

Mark your scorecards. Lois Lerner struck out on her first at bat.


18 posted on 05/22/2013 8:06:07 PM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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If you start to fry the “small fry” in congressional hearings and then in court (lawsuits, perjury charges, etc)., you might find out that a little group of fishes can sing like a mighty flock of Canaries.


19 posted on 05/22/2013 8:18:09 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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Ben Swan is our local guy now but I guarantee you will see him reporting on a national scale within 2 years or less.


20 posted on 05/22/2013 8:34:52 PM PDT by Finatic (I ran out of change and have given up on hope. FUBO, I am so sick of your sorry a$$ you effin punk)
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Wasn’t this obvious from what happened to True the Vote? They even had OSHA after them. Do low level guys/gals have the power to order other departments and agencies to do this stuff?

I doubt it.


21 posted on 05/22/2013 8:46:33 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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I just told my wife earlier this evening that if Congress really wanted to know what happened, how it happened and by whose authority they would conduct a process audit starting with the lowest level employee involved. My conclusion: they really don’t want to know.


22 posted on 05/22/2013 9:02:09 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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Takes a local reporter to find out the story, great summary of structure of IRS , no way DC didn't know

More REAL investigators are needed! Something I posted on another discussion about the IRS investigation

The conservatives and honest liberals are making a concerted effort to get to the facts; HOWEVER, I would suggest that they ask the right questions of the wrong people.

Considering how the anointed one operates I wonder who has oversight of the Czars and their networks? How can there ever be possible checks and balances over the informal nameless community organized styled mirror administration that President Obama seems to meet and consult with more frequently than the Senate confirmed or Presidentially appointed figureheads presently riding desks in Washington?

A Real investigator and or news reporter needs to get the names of these people so that they may be brought in for questioning as to their roles in this corrupt and criminal enterprise.


23 posted on 05/22/2013 10:52:01 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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honest liberals

I'm throwing the oxymoronic flag on that.

24 posted on 05/22/2013 10:55:10 PM PDT by eddie willers
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ROTFLMAO!!!! I try to give a benefit of doubt that there is at least two of them.


25 posted on 05/22/2013 11:03:23 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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Six employees working for different first line supervisors but tied out to a common second or third line supe just screams dedicated working group/task group to me ...


26 posted on 05/22/2013 11:07:45 PM PDT by tanknetter
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300 groups multiplied by at least 18 months for each group, means thousands of red flags would have been generated in the system

That would depend on how the roll up reporting in the system is constructed, wouldn't it?

Looking at the apparent org chart involved it looks like the work was distributed across five staff (excluding the "supervisor" - maybe a working group lead?) each working for a different manager AND "territory manager".

So simple and assumed (extrapolated from the org chart) math (5x5x5) points to five staff out of 125 being part of that organization.

Or, rather, 4% of the staff reporting to Cindy Thomas. Assuming there aren't even more layers of management between the "territory managers" and her.

That's as beautifully a "distributed" workload as I've ever seen. Almost by design (NO! It wouldn't be that!) it would serve to obscure what was really happening in the reporting.
27 posted on 05/22/2013 11:38:13 PM PDT by tanknetter
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