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Boy Scouts of America Should Drop ‘to God’ and ‘Morally Straight’ From Oath ^ | May 23, 2013 | Family Policy Network

Posted on 05/25/2013 3:52:24 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

FPN President Joe Glover issued the following response to today’s announcement that the Boy Scouts of America will permit open homosexuality among troop members:

Glover said:

“The Boy Scouts of America should drop the phrase ‘to God’ and ‘morally straight’ from their oath, since they’ve decided to reject His standards of morality. The Bible clearly states homosexuality is a sin against God, and yet the Boy Scouts of America has decided to allow it.”

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To: Alberta's Child
Exactly. The BSA has become beholden to their corporate donors. That and their *leadership* have, sadly, taken this once fine organization down a very dark path.

Wonder if it's possible to overthrow these two elements and save the BSA...or, is it too late?

61 posted on 05/25/2013 7:16:02 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Jane Long
Without something miraculous coming form the outfield, too late is the probable answer.

Very unfortunate.

62 posted on 05/25/2013 7:18:30 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Sequoyah101

Maybe the Eagles could make a stand. It would be very difficult and frought with spiritual battle that they’d have to be ready for. they’d have to have a commitment ot prayer from some serious groups, but then it could be done.

They could force the gay friendly group to not take the name from the BSA.

It seems they could legally, perhaps, and it’s logical, that the oath does not include the acceptance of this.

The BSA had formed many military, government and civil leaders, including astronauts and the like.

They do have the Fleur de Lis as a logo. I think that gives them a special patronage and protection, being the cross for the mother of Jesus.

63 posted on 05/25/2013 7:18:40 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Sequoyah101

I can not imagine they need money.

I couldn’t get a good answer.

I think, too, that when engaging in this battle good people underestimate their opponent. It is likely not human but principality.

64 posted on 05/25/2013 7:20:37 AM PDT by stanne
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To: NKP_Vet
I am sure that many scout leaders and scout troops are good but I always remember a scene from my son's scout troop meeting. He was supposed to get a badge but the leader messed up and forgot, leaving my son devastated.

Then he proceeded to talk about his recent deer hunting trip.

On this trip he shot and wounded a deer and then felt so bad about it he decided to let the wounded deer limp away. He said he could not bring himself to shoot it again so he let it live.

Yeah he let it live to die later, a horrible slow death from it's injury. What a tool!

I think the evening ended with a fight on the floor over a few pieces of candy after a boy broke open the pinata. I forgot to mention a boy got whacked in the head before the stupid paper pinata was hit.

I think our scouting adventure was over after that.

65 posted on 05/25/2013 7:22:33 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: stanne

You are torturing the technicalities and timeline of an anolgoy, all the while missing the main point (on purpose) because the main point is not convenient to your self righteous legalastic no-grace rant. So to play your game and torture your metaphor more, the thief did repent, but not until the last moment - yet the God who abides outside the constraints of time as we understand it knew this from the beginning....

66 posted on 05/25/2013 7:25:17 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: cyclotic
Thank You C. for a bit of actual clarity. I’ve had some jerk on another thread accuse me of going over to the dark side and becoming one with “the enemy.” (his words) because I haven’t tendered my resignation as a Scoutmaster and immediately pulled my two sons, one of whom is one step away from Eagle from the program.

There are some legalistic fundamentalists around here who would never pass muster on the standards they hold others to. Their reaction to the scouts would only be appropriate if you believe that all scouts are happily prancing into the darkness of homosexuality and gleeful that they have found an excuse to do so. When in reality, it is a painful and excruciating decision that was obvioulsy a sad capitulation to a tide they didn't think they could fight - and is obviously done with many many scouts and leaders not in agreement.

67 posted on 05/25/2013 7:30:01 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Yes, I do apologize, I just find the “if it’s not all bad it’s good” lukewarm arguments to be so dangerous.

I do believe I made it clear I am a heathen in constant need of repentance, so, that will be enough of the self righteousness accusations determined to shut out argument, which, by the way, is the very argument they use in taking over good institutions like the BSA.

And, by saying the good thief is good because he made it to the point of death and then repented, that is not a recommended way of handling it, according to theologians and clergy and common sense. He is considered lucky to hav had the chance. it’s not always the case.

68 posted on 05/25/2013 7:33:46 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Sequoyah101

There has been an orchestrated effort by queers, aided and abedded by the democrat party to drive Christianity out of America for years now. The radical sodomites have infested every segment of American society. With the election of a pro-queer “marriage” president, their goal is just about finished. Not a week goes by this POS sub-human Obama does not tell Americans how normal sodomy is and how it should be accepted and gloried by everyone. He is a Christian-hating, sodomite-loving ass**** of the first degree and the damage this SOB will inflict on this country is not yet finished. The hostile sodomite takeover of the Boy Scouts of America is just part of the big plan. It is all contained in the Communist manifesto. Google it and read it...and weep for America. We have no one to stop his madness. Spineless Republicans are a joke.

69 posted on 05/25/2013 7:36:14 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: stanne

You continue to torture the analogy to miss the point. You also do selective reading, ignoring the what, 8, 10, 12 times I have condemned the decision in this an attempt to bolster your position by somehow hinting that I am excusing the decision. The boy scouts were wrong, period. Your hating of the sinner, and not just hating the sin, is still on display IMO.

70 posted on 05/25/2013 7:36:32 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Absolutely true on all fronts. I’ve devoted ten years of leadership and my two sons are at the cusp of reaching the pinnacle. Two years ago, I had the honor of being able to start a new troop and we’ve introduced 18 boys to the fun. I’m not ready to give that up just yet. OTOH, I’m also on the periphery of a group of Godly men who are creating the framework of a new group to continue the legacy that BSA has given up on.

I also hope that BSA will see what they have wrought and take the difficult step of reversal and standing again for righteousness.

71 posted on 05/25/2013 7:37:32 AM PDT by cyclotic (In a society of wolves, you do not fight back by creating more sheep-Dan Bongino)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

It’s spineless, immoral adults to despise for the sodomite takeover of the BSA. These bastards should be kicked out of any position of authority in the scouts and tarred and feathered.

72 posted on 05/25/2013 7:50:25 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I don’t hate anyone. The firm and well articulated theological position I subscribe to states that homosexuality, whether a learned or acquired tendency, is to be sympathized with but not practiced. Celibacy is the answer,

As for 17 and 18 year old boys being sexually active, that’s a problem for society. It destroys the family. BSA had accepted this and had assisted boys in chastity. That’s good for families and for society. And it is not self righteous to say so. To not say so is complicit and if there is anything in society that points to its being a good thing, let us hear it.

and it’s not about who’s going to do well at final judgement. We can help each other on that, and should, when time comes. In fact the world is full of great stories of epiphanies of bad behaving people going good. it’s what classic lit is all about, as well.

But when people say it’s all good, god will sort it out later that doesn’t help the formation of young men. Any Eagle Scout can tell you that chastity, for instance, to name one virtue, is good for the betterment of society. And, in fact, that’s what BSA is. It’s not a religious organization.

Oh well, I have bored you enough.

73 posted on 05/25/2013 7:51:18 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; fishtank; metmom; ..
From Christian leaders:

..."Frankly, I can't imagine a Southern Baptist pastor who would continue to allow his church to sponsor a Boy Scout troop under these new rules," Richard Land, a senior Southern Baptist Conference official, told the SBC's news agency, Baptist Press.

Land advised Southern Baptist churches to withdraw their support of Scout troops and consider affiliating instead with the Royal Ambassadors, an existing SBC youth program for boys that combines religious ministry with Scouting-style activities.


The Assemblies of God, which oversees units serving more than 2,000 Scouts, said it could no longer support such units and suggested its own Royal Rangers youth group as a "positive alternative." John Stemberger, a conservative activist and former Scout from Florida who led a group opposing the policy change, said he and his allies would convene a meeting next month in Louisville, Ky., to discuss creation of a "new character development organization for boys."

"We grieve today, not because we are faced with leaving Scouting, but because the Boy Scouts of America has left us," Stemberger said. "Its leadership has turned its back on 103 years of abiding by a mission to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices."

After vote on gay youth, Scouts face more turmoil


From the mormon church:
"The Church appreciates BSA’s reaffirmation of its commitment to “duty to God,” which includes service to others and moral behavior—central principles of our teaching to young men. As in the past, the Church will work with BSA to harmonize what Scouting has to offer with the varying needs of our young men. We trust that BSA will implement and administer the approved policy in an appropriate and effective manner."

LDS Church responds to Boy Scouts of America's policy vote

74 posted on 05/25/2013 7:51:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obama will have to practice his onscreen crying gig. He's gonna need it!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Well, I think there are those who are immoral and part of the plot to take the Scouts over, and I think there are those who fit the spineless category but really want to do the right thing.

One group is evil, the other group is made of up good folks who are imperfect but not evil. It serves absolutely no purpose to sit up on a high horse and pretend that they are all the same.

75 posted on 05/25/2013 7:54:30 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: NKP_Vet

Yep, next the atheists will have their turn against the BSA.

76 posted on 05/25/2013 7:55:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NKP_Vet
They can corrupt human institutions, but they can not change human biology.
Sex, Evolution and Behavior
By Martin Daly and Margo Wilson
Got Socio-Biological Fitness?
 "Gay" penguins don't - not even in the San Francisco zoo

77 posted on 05/25/2013 7:57:07 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: subaru
>>they can be good influences on homosexual leaning boys.
FAIL - the "Slushers" won.

78 posted on 05/25/2013 8:06:40 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“I reject “kneeling at Satan’s altar” as a description for this.”

Sounds like you reject the idea that God is Sovereign and will judge...but then, modern America believes “That’s kind of an old testament fundamentalist phraiseeical view”. But a nation that gives God the middle finger salute cannot claim His protection or blessings. Nor can an organization, nor a man.

There is nothing natural, admirable or acceptable about a man sticking his penis in a man’s butt. Butts are not designed for penis insertion. Even most heathen can figure that out, as can most stallions, lions, coyotes, etc. This reveals the total corruption of morals in the BSA & America.

You don’t have to LIKE God as Judge, but He is.

“They knew all the time that there is a God, yet they refused to acknowledge him as such, or to thank him for what he is or does. Thus they became fatuous in their argumentations, and plunged their silly minds still further into the dark.

Behind a facade of “wisdom” they became just fools, fools who would exchange the glory of the eternal God for an imitation image of a mortal man, or of creatures that run or fly or crawl.

They gave up God: and therefore God gave them up—to be the playthings of their own foul desires in dishonouring their own bodies.

These men deliberately forfeited the truth of God and accepted a lie, paying homage and giving service to the creature instead of to the Creator, who alone is worthy to be worshipped for ever and ever, amen. God therefore handed them over to disgraceful passions. Their women exchanged the normal practices of sexual intercourse for something which is abnormal and unnatural. Similarly the men, turning from natural intercourse with women, were swept into lustful passions for one another. Men with men performed these shameful horrors, receiving, of course, in their own personalities the consequences of sexual perversity.

Moreover, since they considered themselves too high and mighty to acknowledge God, he allowed them to become the slaves of their degenerate minds, and to perform unmentionable deeds.” - Romans 1, which is NOT in the Old Testament

79 posted on 05/25/2013 8:10:33 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The thief on the cross REPENTED.

80 posted on 05/25/2013 8:12:05 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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