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Boy Scouts of America Should Drop ‘to God’ and ‘Morally Straight’ From Oath
http://familypolicy.net ^ | May 23, 2013 | Family Policy Network

Posted on 05/25/2013 3:52:24 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

FPN President Joe Glover issued the following response to today’s announcement that the Boy Scouts of America will permit open homosexuality among troop members:

Glover said:

“The Boy Scouts of America should drop the phrase ‘to God’ and ‘morally straight’ from their oath, since they’ve decided to reject His standards of morality. The Bible clearly states homosexuality is a sin against God, and yet the Boy Scouts of America has decided to allow it.”

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To: C. Edmund Wright

That’s “Pharisaic”. (ducking)

In seriousness, my son earned his Eagle last year. It was a very proud moment for his whole family when he received his award. He had been working toward that moment for about ten years.

I’m just glad he earned his award before the Boy Scouts deliberately devalued what it means.


51 posted on 05/25/2013 6:59:49 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Under 18 year olds reject hypocrisy, they see what they see and they learn by others’ actions. Boys are very non verbal, even feminists can’t fix that.

boys learn from all cultural and family attitudes and accepted behaviors, not by a do what I say not as I do mentality. You know that.


52 posted on 05/25/2013 6:59:54 AM PDT by stanne
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To: NKP_Vet

Why have an oath at all? Just start each meeting by passing the bong twice around the room, then go straight into Knitting an AR-15.


53 posted on 05/25/2013 7:01:06 AM PDT by Delta Dawn
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To: stanne

Children of both genders do. They are spiritual sponges.


54 posted on 05/25/2013 7:01:52 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You remember the thief on the cross repented, right? Sainthood or redemption happens after death, and at the hour of death.

It’s how there are no saints alive,

Or, less Catholic, it’s how heathens, like all parents, can raise children by example (the best way), constant daily repentance.

The thief is a great example pointed to by theologians, and contrasted by the other thief, often forgotten, who refused to repent. the good thief said he was sorry with remorse and sincerity.

He shows us that’s how it’s done.


55 posted on 05/25/2013 7:06:01 AM PDT by stanne
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To: HiTech RedNeck

they are watching.


56 posted on 05/25/2013 7:07:10 AM PDT by stanne
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Thank You C. for a bit of actual clarity. I’ve had some jerk on another thread accuse me of going over to the dark side and becoming one with “the enemy.” (his words) because I haven’t tendered my resignation as a Scoutmaster and immediately pulled my two sons, one of whom is one step away from Eagle from the program.


57 posted on 05/25/2013 7:08:08 AM PDT by cyclotic (In a society of wolves, you do not fight back by creating more sheep-Dan Bongino)
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To: stanne

What do they need money for? To build Taj mahal like edifices like this one on expensive real estate? This does so much good for the kids, yeah right. That has been the complaint for a long time by many... the people who are Scouting for some reason other than the boys.

https://plus.google.com/107337425780668304521/photos?hl=en

Scouting began dying at least 20 years ago. This is the death rattle. It may go on but not like it was.

So sad, I’m glad Dad is not here to see it. He was a Scoutmaster for most of 25 years and active long after that with the council in building facilities for Scouts. I am sorry I have to see it. Our three Eagles are ashamed.


58 posted on 05/25/2013 7:10:43 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Delta Dawn

That’s what the GSA does.

Our church sponsored a GSA group, so we thought we’d give it a shot, realizing they’d gone to the dark side financing abortion groups and all.

The girls got into the car and said no no no, and I quote our girls, “they started the meeting with a pagan chant, it was very creepy and it got worse and it was boring”.

The group we’d previously rejected met on sundays, a sure sign of darkness for any group in its commitment to breaking up the family, getting parents used to that.


59 posted on 05/25/2013 7:12:46 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Dusty Road

http://townhall.com/columnists/cathyruse/2013/05/08/deceit-in-the-boy-scouts-n1590378/page/full

“It has been widely characterized as a “compromise,” but no Boy Scout should be fooled. The tension this incoherent policy would create would make it practically and legally unsustainable, and those pushing the resolution surely know that.

Under the policy, open homosexuality would be officially consistent with the Scouting code throughout a Scout’s career until the moment he turns 18, when it suddenly becomes inconsistent with the code. And then what? No troop leader would want to put himself in the position of enforcing such an irrational rule, and likely few would. A de facto change in leadership rules would occur almost immediately.

But it won’t stop there. This move could forfeit the legal victory the Scouts won at the Supreme Court over a decade ago. When the organization was sued for unlawful discrimination, the Court ruled in Boy Scouts of America v. Dale that the BSA has the right to maintain its membership policy under its First Amendment speech and association rights. But if the Scouts’ new “speech” is incoherent – open homosexuality is consistent with the Scouting code except when it isn’t – there may be no legal basis left for courts to uphold one part of the code over another. It will be a lawsuit nightmare for the Scouts.

The truth is, a vote to allow open homosexuality on the part of scout members is a vote to allow open homosexuality on the part of scout leaders. The executives who drafted the resolution know it. It isn’t the first time they’ve intended to deceive.”


60 posted on 05/25/2013 7:13:27 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Alberta's Child
Exactly. The BSA has become beholden to their corporate donors. That and their *leadership* have, sadly, taken this once fine organization down a very dark path.

Wonder if it's possible to overthrow these two elements and save the BSA...or, is it too late?

61 posted on 05/25/2013 7:16:02 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Jane Long
Without something miraculous coming form the outfield, too late is the probable answer.

Very unfortunate.

62 posted on 05/25/2013 7:18:30 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Sequoyah101

Maybe the Eagles could make a stand. It would be very difficult and frought with spiritual battle that they’d have to be ready for. they’d have to have a commitment ot prayer from some serious groups, but then it could be done.

They could force the gay friendly group to not take the name from the BSA.

It seems they could legally, perhaps, and it’s logical, that the oath does not include the acceptance of this.

The BSA had formed many military, government and civil leaders, including astronauts and the like.

They do have the Fleur de Lis as a logo. I think that gives them a special patronage and protection, being the cross for the mother of Jesus.


63 posted on 05/25/2013 7:18:40 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Sequoyah101

I can not imagine they need money.

I couldn’t get a good answer.

I think, too, that when engaging in this battle good people underestimate their opponent. It is likely not human but principality.


64 posted on 05/25/2013 7:20:37 AM PDT by stanne
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To: NKP_Vet
I am sure that many scout leaders and scout troops are good but I always remember a scene from my son's scout troop meeting. He was supposed to get a badge but the leader messed up and forgot, leaving my son devastated.

Then he proceeded to talk about his recent deer hunting trip.

On this trip he shot and wounded a deer and then felt so bad about it he decided to let the wounded deer limp away. He said he could not bring himself to shoot it again so he let it live.

Yeah he let it live to die later, a horrible slow death from it's injury. What a tool!

I think the evening ended with a fight on the floor over a few pieces of candy after a boy broke open the pinata. I forgot to mention a boy got whacked in the head before the stupid paper pinata was hit.

I think our scouting adventure was over after that.

65 posted on 05/25/2013 7:22:33 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: stanne

You are torturing the technicalities and timeline of an anolgoy, all the while missing the main point (on purpose) because the main point is not convenient to your self righteous legalastic no-grace rant. So to play your game and torture your metaphor more, the thief did repent, but not until the last moment - yet the God who abides outside the constraints of time as we understand it knew this from the beginning....


66 posted on 05/25/2013 7:25:17 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: cyclotic
Thank You C. for a bit of actual clarity. I’ve had some jerk on another thread accuse me of going over to the dark side and becoming one with “the enemy.” (his words) because I haven’t tendered my resignation as a Scoutmaster and immediately pulled my two sons, one of whom is one step away from Eagle from the program.

There are some legalistic fundamentalists around here who would never pass muster on the standards they hold others to. Their reaction to the scouts would only be appropriate if you believe that all scouts are happily prancing into the darkness of homosexuality and gleeful that they have found an excuse to do so. When in reality, it is a painful and excruciating decision that was obvioulsy a sad capitulation to a tide they didn't think they could fight - and is obviously done with many many scouts and leaders not in agreement.

67 posted on 05/25/2013 7:30:01 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Yes, I do apologize, I just find the “if it’s not all bad it’s good” lukewarm arguments to be so dangerous.

I do believe I made it clear I am a heathen in constant need of repentance, so, that will be enough of the self righteousness accusations determined to shut out argument, which, by the way, is the very argument they use in taking over good institutions like the BSA.

And, by saying the good thief is good because he made it to the point of death and then repented, that is not a recommended way of handling it, according to theologians and clergy and common sense. He is considered lucky to hav had the chance. it’s not always the case.


68 posted on 05/25/2013 7:33:46 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Sequoyah101

There has been an orchestrated effort by queers, aided and abedded by the democrat party to drive Christianity out of America for years now. The radical sodomites have infested every segment of American society. With the election of a pro-queer “marriage” president, their goal is just about finished. Not a week goes by this POS sub-human Obama does not tell Americans how normal sodomy is and how it should be accepted and gloried by everyone. He is a Christian-hating, sodomite-loving ass**** of the first degree and the damage this SOB will inflict on this country is not yet finished. The hostile sodomite takeover of the Boy Scouts of America is just part of the big plan. It is all contained in the Communist manifesto. Google it and read it...and weep for America. We have no one to stop his madness. Spineless Republicans are a joke.


69 posted on 05/25/2013 7:36:14 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: stanne

You continue to torture the analogy to miss the point. You also do selective reading, ignoring the what, 8, 10, 12 times I have condemned the decision in this thread......in an attempt to bolster your position by somehow hinting that I am excusing the decision. The boy scouts were wrong, period. Your hating of the sinner, and not just hating the sin, is still on display IMO.


70 posted on 05/25/2013 7:36:32 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Absolutely true on all fronts. I’ve devoted ten years of leadership and my two sons are at the cusp of reaching the pinnacle. Two years ago, I had the honor of being able to start a new troop and we’ve introduced 18 boys to the fun. I’m not ready to give that up just yet. OTOH, I’m also on the periphery of a group of Godly men who are creating the framework of a new group to continue the legacy that BSA has given up on.

I also hope that BSA will see what they have wrought and take the difficult step of reversal and standing again for righteousness.


71 posted on 05/25/2013 7:37:32 AM PDT by cyclotic (In a society of wolves, you do not fight back by creating more sheep-Dan Bongino)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

It’s spineless, immoral adults to despise for the sodomite takeover of the BSA. These bastards should be kicked out of any position of authority in the scouts and tarred and feathered.

http://townhall.com/video/boy-scouts-decision-first-step-say-activists-n1605589


72 posted on 05/25/2013 7:50:25 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I don’t hate anyone. The firm and well articulated theological position I subscribe to states that homosexuality, whether a learned or acquired tendency, is to be sympathized with but not practiced. Celibacy is the answer,

As for 17 and 18 year old boys being sexually active, that’s a problem for society. It destroys the family. BSA had accepted this and had assisted boys in chastity. That’s good for families and for society. And it is not self righteous to say so. To not say so is complicit and if there is anything in society that points to its being a good thing, let us hear it.

and it’s not about who’s going to do well at final judgement. We can help each other on that, and should, when time comes. In fact the world is full of great stories of epiphanies of bad behaving people going good. it’s what classic lit is all about, as well.

But when people say it’s all good, god will sort it out later that doesn’t help the formation of young men. Any Eagle Scout can tell you that chastity, for instance, to name one virtue, is good for the betterment of society. And, in fact, that’s what BSA is. It’s not a religious organization.

Oh well, I have bored you enough.


73 posted on 05/25/2013 7:51:18 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; fishtank; metmom; ..
From Christian leaders:

..."Frankly, I can't imagine a Southern Baptist pastor who would continue to allow his church to sponsor a Boy Scout troop under these new rules," Richard Land, a senior Southern Baptist Conference official, told the SBC's news agency, Baptist Press.

Land advised Southern Baptist churches to withdraw their support of Scout troops and consider affiliating instead with the Royal Ambassadors, an existing SBC youth program for boys that combines religious ministry with Scouting-style activities.

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The Assemblies of God, which oversees units serving more than 2,000 Scouts, said it could no longer support such units and suggested its own Royal Rangers youth group as a "positive alternative." John Stemberger, a conservative activist and former Scout from Florida who led a group opposing the policy change, said he and his allies would convene a meeting next month in Louisville, Ky., to discuss creation of a "new character development organization for boys."

"We grieve today, not because we are faced with leaving Scouting, but because the Boy Scouts of America has left us," Stemberger said. "Its leadership has turned its back on 103 years of abiding by a mission to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices."

After vote on gay youth, Scouts face more turmoil

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From the mormon church:
"The Church appreciates BSA’s reaffirmation of its commitment to “duty to God,” which includes service to others and moral behavior—central principles of our teaching to young men. As in the past, the Church will work with BSA to harmonize what Scouting has to offer with the varying needs of our young men. We trust that BSA will implement and administer the approved policy in an appropriate and effective manner."

LDS Church responds to Boy Scouts of America's policy vote

74 posted on 05/25/2013 7:51:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obama will have to practice his onscreen crying gig. He's gonna need it!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Well, I think there are those who are immoral and part of the plot to take the Scouts over, and I think there are those who fit the spineless category but really want to do the right thing.

One group is evil, the other group is made of up good folks who are imperfect but not evil. It serves absolutely no purpose to sit up on a high horse and pretend that they are all the same.


75 posted on 05/25/2013 7:54:30 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: NKP_Vet

Yep, next the atheists will have their turn against the BSA.


76 posted on 05/25/2013 7:55:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NKP_Vet
They can corrupt human institutions, but they can not change human biology.
 
 
Sex, Evolution and Behavior
By Martin Daly and Margo Wilson
 
 
Got Socio-Biological Fitness?
 
 "Gay" penguins don't - not even in the San Francisco zoo
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=San+Francisco+gay+penguins
 
FAIL.

77 posted on 05/25/2013 7:57:07 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: subaru
>>they can be good influences on homosexual leaning boys.




http://www.scribd.com/doc/110542554/Boys-Scouts-of-America-Floyd-David-Slusher-File
 
FAIL - the "Slushers" won.

78 posted on 05/25/2013 8:06:40 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“I reject “kneeling at Satan’s altar” as a description for this.”

Sounds like you reject the idea that God is Sovereign and will judge...but then, modern America believes “That’s kind of an old testament fundamentalist phraiseeical view”. But a nation that gives God the middle finger salute cannot claim His protection or blessings. Nor can an organization, nor a man.

There is nothing natural, admirable or acceptable about a man sticking his penis in a man’s butt. Butts are not designed for penis insertion. Even most heathen can figure that out, as can most stallions, lions, coyotes, etc. This reveals the total corruption of morals in the BSA & America.

You don’t have to LIKE God as Judge, but He is.

“They knew all the time that there is a God, yet they refused to acknowledge him as such, or to thank him for what he is or does. Thus they became fatuous in their argumentations, and plunged their silly minds still further into the dark.

Behind a facade of “wisdom” they became just fools, fools who would exchange the glory of the eternal God for an imitation image of a mortal man, or of creatures that run or fly or crawl.

They gave up God: and therefore God gave them up—to be the playthings of their own foul desires in dishonouring their own bodies.

These men deliberately forfeited the truth of God and accepted a lie, paying homage and giving service to the creature instead of to the Creator, who alone is worthy to be worshipped for ever and ever, amen. God therefore handed them over to disgraceful passions. Their women exchanged the normal practices of sexual intercourse for something which is abnormal and unnatural. Similarly the men, turning from natural intercourse with women, were swept into lustful passions for one another. Men with men performed these shameful horrors, receiving, of course, in their own personalities the consequences of sexual perversity.

Moreover, since they considered themselves too high and mighty to acknowledge God, he allowed them to become the slaves of their degenerate minds, and to perform unmentionable deeds.” - Romans 1, which is NOT in the Old Testament


79 posted on 05/25/2013 8:10:33 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The thief on the cross REPENTED.


80 posted on 05/25/2013 8:12:05 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: cyclotic

I to have decided, for the moment anyway, to continue on and push the BSA to return to the values it has turned on.

They have pushed the homosexual agenda to the front and I intend to push back.


81 posted on 05/25/2013 10:29:23 AM PDT by krizzy (NOT IN MY TROOP !)
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To: Mr Rogers

I’m glad we have YOU as the model of perfection.
Oh, wait......(hint: don’t go casting any first stones if you know what I mean....)


82 posted on 05/25/2013 11:27:32 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Mr Rogers

He did , seconds before he died. Are you sure the BSA won’t repent of this corporately? Moreover, are you sure that some of the people behind the awful decision won’t repent personally before they die? I mean, being the perfect dude like you are, you must know this, right?


83 posted on 05/25/2013 11:29:49 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Please show me where I said I was perfect. That, or stop being a jerk.

Will the BSA repent, corporately? I hope so, but THEY WILL HAVE NOTHING TO REPENT OF UNLESS SOMEONE TELLS THEM THE TRUTH!

“How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!”

But the Good News is only GOOD news if God is a God who judges, and who hates sin, and will not tolerate it. That is why the Gospel is “Repent and believe”, not, “You’re OK as you are”. And that is why it is offensive to the lost, and why homosexuals attack Christians.

No one was stopping homosexuals from forming troops doing what scouts do. But the homosexuals invaded the BSA and have taken it over. Marriage is under attack so they can prosecute Christians who don’t bow to the homosexual agenda. That is what all of this is about: attacking any person or any institution that dares to call them sinners.

And if you don’t understand that, you are very blind to what is going on.


84 posted on 05/25/2013 11:38:26 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: cyclotic

Can/will new groups allow members to use their BSA achievements and continue building on them?


85 posted on 05/25/2013 2:55:42 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Mr Rogers

Your arrogance is insufferable....and you are putting yourself in God’s place. Shame on you. And give all your political commentary a rest, it’s obvious and no duh stuff and I realize all that and I fully realize why the decision is wrong - as demonstrated many many many times in this very thread. Your reponse is still inappropriately judgmental. Saying that doesn’t mean I support the decision, I don’t....


86 posted on 05/25/2013 3:52:00 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You certainly have felt free to call others judgmental and suggest we act like Pharisees (“That’s kind of an old testament fundamentalist phraiseeical view”). Why do YOU get to judge those condemning homosexuality, but get a pass for yourself? Why is it wrong to describe those kneeling to the homosexual agenda as “kneeling at Satan’s altar”? Just who do you think they are trying to obey?

Now, try logic - where have I put myself in God’s place?

I’ve quoted God’s Word. You have condemned those opposing the homosexual agenda and boasted of your understanding:

“the frothy mouthed statement from the FPN guy was over the top and very legalistic and Phariseeical as well.”

“By your and his standards, about 99% of all churches should drop God from their name, mission statements, etc.”

“demanding a group that is still on the positive side of the ledger drop God from their name “

“the main point is not convenient to your self righteous legalastic no-grace rant”

“There are some legalistic fundamentalists around here who would never pass muster on the standards they hold others to”

For someone who opposes what the BSA has done, you sure seem eager to understand it, and to silence anyone who speaks out against it. Why?

Oh wait! I cannot question YOU. YOU alone get to question others, and determine their morality!


87 posted on 05/25/2013 5:37:32 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers

I’ll tell you why - because you were so frothy mouthed and so obsessed with the gay issue that you totally ignored not only my stance on the issue (which you still have wrong) and all kinds of possible ramifications about the BSA issue at hand. BTW, my stance was supported by BSA scout masters who are against the recent decision, but who appreciated my reasoned analysis, as opposed to your legalistic Levitical old testament “burn em” mentality. THATS WHY.

And you still have no idea what I think of the decision....and no way will you take the time to read this thread and to be man enough to quote me on that.


88 posted on 05/25/2013 5:42:21 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You claim you oppose the decision, but you attack those opposed and understand those who pushed it. You want to love, understand and care for those pushing the homosexual agenda, but condemn and attack anyone on this thread who calls homosexuality sin.

So - whose side are you supporting?

I quote scripture, and you attack me as “a despicable and arrogant bastard” in your FRemail to me, and:

“Your arrogance is insufferable....and you are putting yourself in God’s place”

“Your reponse is still inappropriately judgmental”

“I mean, being the perfect dude like you are, you must know this, right?”

“I’m glad we have YOU as the model of perfection.”

Why do you get so upset when someone quotes the Bible? What agenda are you pushing on FreeRepublic? Why are you filled with love for the sinners when they push homosexuality, and spew vitriol against anyone opposed?


89 posted on 05/25/2013 5:58:57 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“as opposed to your legalistic Levitical old testament “burn em” mentality”

BTW - I’ve only quoted the NEW TESTAMENT on this thread. Why do you hate the idea that God judges men, both in this life and in the world to come? Why do you characterize it as “legalistic Levitical old testament “burn em” mentality”?


90 posted on 05/25/2013 6:01:16 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers

I hate the idea that you think you speak for God......


91 posted on 05/25/2013 6:56:34 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Mr Rogers

I can explain it to you, but I can not understand it for you. I am already dumber for having engage you in this chat....you realy have miserable reading comprehension. I never defended those who “pushed” it and I never attacked those who oppose it. I attacked a certain group of opposers whose attitude is despicable and over the top. Those who opposed it reasonably - like myself - I have no problem with. Those inside the scouts who oppose it have no problem with me either.....


92 posted on 05/25/2013 6:58:48 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“I attacked a certain group of opposers whose attitude is despicable and over the top. Those who opposed it reasonably - like myself - I have no problem with.”

Oh...so it is my quoting the Bible that bothers you. That gives me a “legalistic Levitical old testament “burn em” mentality”, because quoting scripture means “you think you speak for God”.

That would explain why you consider the article statement:

““The Boy Scouts of America should drop the phrase ‘to God’ and ‘morally straight’ from their oath, since they’ve decided to reject His standards of morality. The Bible clearly states homosexuality is a sin against God, and yet the Boy Scouts of America has decided to allow it.”

to be a “frothy mouthed statement from the FPN guy [that] was over the top and very legalistic and Phariseeical as well”.

Well, that supports my first post on this thread:

“Sounds like you reject the idea that God is Sovereign and will judge...but then, modern America believes “That’s kind of an old testament fundamentalist phraiseeical view”. But a nation that gives God the middle finger salute cannot claim His protection or blessings. Nor can an organization, nor a man.

There is nothing natural, admirable or acceptable about a man sticking his penis in a man’s butt. Butts are not designed for penis insertion. Even most heathen can figure that out, as can most stallions, lions, coyotes, etc. This reveals the total corruption of morals in the BSA & America.

You don’t have to LIKE God as Judge, but He is...” — post 79


93 posted on 05/25/2013 7:10:01 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: greyfoxx39
..."Frankly, I can't imagine a Southern Baptist pastor who would continue to allow his church to sponsor a Boy Scout troop under these new rules

As well the MORMONs; iff'n the little twinks cannot remain celibate!


What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?
 




prophet kimball"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982


spencer kimball"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65


spencer kimball"Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
-
Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196


"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.


kimball"I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965


"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155


"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.

94 posted on 05/26/2013 4:01:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
It serves absolutely no purpose to sit up on a high horse and pretend that they are all the same.

Speaking of high horses...

95 posted on 05/26/2013 4:02:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TArcher
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=San+Francisco+gay+penguins

NO!!

I cannot read about Lesbian Nuns so early in the morning!

96 posted on 05/26/2013 4:04:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TArcher

‘overt’


97 posted on 05/26/2013 4:04:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Oh, wait......(hint: don’t go casting any first stones if you know what I mean....)

I think I know what you mean.

I ALSO what GOD has said:

Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Doonesbury Cartoon for Feb/08/2013

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 
 
 
 

98 posted on 05/26/2013 4:07:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Your arrogance is insufferable....and you are putting yourself in God’s place.

HMMMmmm...

Philippians 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

99 posted on 05/26/2013 4:09:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Your arrogance is insufferable....and you are putting yourself in God’s place.

HMMMmmm...

1 Peter 4:11 (niv)
If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. If anyone serves, they should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

100 posted on 05/26/2013 4:11:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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