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300 BOY SCOUT FAMILIES LOSE SPONSOR, KENTUCKY MEGA-CHURCH BACKS OUT OF BOY SCOUT PROGRAM
http://www.libertynews.com ^ | may 28, 2013 | Eric Odom

Posted on 05/28/2013 7:22:59 AM PDT by lowbridge

Actions have consequences. In this case, the Boy Scout organization’s decision to even debate acceptance of open homosexuality has provoked Southeast Christian Church, a church of 30,000, to pull its charter of Troop 212.

Southeast Christian Church did not pull its sponsorship and involvement over the recent vote by the Boy Scouts to allow openly homosexual youth to participate. The Church pulled its sponsorship over the Boy Scouts organization’s act of debating the idea of allowing open homosexuality. This is confirmed by the fact the Church actually notified the Boy Scouts earlier in the year before the vote took place.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
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To: dfwgator

When I was a kid, we wore our uniforms to school, met for pack meetings at the school, presented the colors for the school. Then scouting was kicked out of the school for not going gay. Now they will get kicked out of the church for going gay.


51 posted on 05/28/2013 9:30:30 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
I foresee new independent scout groups forming outside of the BSA.

Whatever "new" group is formed, they will be attacked the same way the BSA was.

52 posted on 05/28/2013 9:30:42 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: wbill

I agree with you 100% wbill. Some sanctimonious idiot flamed me on FR over the weekend because by not leaving immediately, in his eyes, I joined the enemy (his words). My response was that when he gives 10-15 hours a week in volunteer time and has two boys who have worked for 8-10 years to earn Eagle, including one who just needs to finish his project, then he has the right to judge me. Till then, he can shut up.

I was proud to be a Scoutmaster. I’m not sure I can in good conscience wear the uniform any more. I am ashamed of the organization. Our troop is strongly Christian and mostly home educated kids. Me and the Committee Chair are meeting with our church sponsor tomorrow night to discuss the future. I suspect we’ll continue for a year or so then join one of the new groups. There is a brand new one setting the stage.


53 posted on 05/28/2013 9:30:52 AM PDT by cyclotic (In a society of wolves, you do not fight back by creating more sheep-Dan Bongino)
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To: Fiji Hill

My children and I were in BSA and Indian Guides from the YMCA here in California.

Always attacked by white liberals and “native americans” that having tribes and dressing up as tribes was racist.


54 posted on 05/28/2013 9:33:37 AM PDT by edcoil (If you can't change the rules, then ignore them.)
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To: lowbridge

It took ten years for Canadian Boy Scouting to lose 57% of its members. Given the differences between the two countries it won’t take ten months to fall that much here. This is just the beginning.


55 posted on 05/28/2013 9:49:51 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: dragonblustar
I was thinking about Scouts for Christ. It would be for boys and girls but separated by gender and focused on service towards others.

And then how long until the lawsuits start because they're only offering two gender choices?

56 posted on 05/28/2013 9:59:05 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (What difference does it make?)
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To: edcoil
I was a member of the Young Men's Christian Association's Indian Guides, the Cub Scouts and then the Boy Scouts, where I reached the rank of Life--one rank below Eagle.

When it comes to building character and socialization, these organizations were invaluable. Sadly, the Indian Guides was destroyed by political correctness. Naturally, it was "racist," despite the fact that it taught respect for American Indians and their cultures and that it engaged in projects such as toy drives for needy Indians living on reservations. Of course, it was also "sexist," since it only involved fathers and sons.

Some years ago, the YMCA decided to ditch the Indian Guides because of these PC concerns. and now the Boy Scouts have gone sodomite. I feel so fortunate to have experienced childhood before the PC nazis came on the scene.

57 posted on 05/28/2013 10:15:37 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: wbill

I am a Scoutmaster. Our meeting was held the night of 5/23. I tended my resignation effective 12/31/2013, or sooner if the Troop Committee sees fit. My two sons, one 6 months from Eagle and the other about 1 year away from Eagle, also said that they are leaving on that date. The son who is close to his Eagle is trying to decide if it is worth the work for a hollow award.

My older son also said that he must choose between being true to the Scout Oath and Law as they are intended, or remain in Scouting, they are no longer the same.

We choose the Oath and Law.

We have to stand up for our morals. Remaining in Scouting is offering support for their cowardly stand on this issue.

As for the youth only part of this. Scouting is a youth led organization. There will be open and avowed homosexual youth in your leadership roles. These leadership roles are often admired and looked up to by the younger scouts. Imagine a 17 year old Life scout and an Webelo who just crossed over. That Webelo will look up to the older Scout. Would you really want that Scout to be an open and avowed homosexual. Also at camps many of the positions are held by older Scouts who are under 18.

The homosexual adult leaders are coming and that will happen very soon. Multiple councils have already said that they will be in open defiance of this policy and allow open and avowed adult homosexuals.


58 posted on 05/28/2013 10:40:22 AM PDT by lost in the snow (One PO'ed Scout Master and Proud of the HIGH moral ground)
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To: lowbridge
Some here seem to think that this church pulled it's backing of the Scouts because of the B.S.A. decision to allow homosexual scouts. That is not the case:

Southeast Christian Church did not pull its sponsorship and involvement over the recent vote by the Boy Scouts to allow openly homosexual youth to participate. The Church pulled its sponsorship over the Boy Scouts organization’s act of debating the idea of allowing open homosexuality. This is confirmed by the fact the Church actually notified the Boy Scouts earlier in the year before the vote took place.

That's the church's moral high ground.

59 posted on 05/28/2013 10:44:40 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: erod

too many moms are homo-sympathizers, they will still send their boys there to learn tolerance....and make pretty rainbow crafts...


60 posted on 05/28/2013 10:55:42 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Veggie Todd

Boy Scouts never lost a case not changing their views. They changed them stupidly, voluntarily. But a court never forced them to.

Same with any private group. They can set membership requirements, period.


61 posted on 05/28/2013 10:57:21 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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62 posted on 05/28/2013 11:23:58 AM PDT by RedMDer (You are Free Republic. There are no outside influences. Just us, all of us. Please donate today!)
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To: lowbridge

You reap what you sow ......


63 posted on 05/28/2013 11:55:55 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Don't forget love)
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To: lost in the snow

I’m sure that you’re very proud of your sons. They learned a hard life lesson, at a very early age.


64 posted on 05/28/2013 12:10:37 PM PDT by wbill
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To: lowbridge

True story from my wife. 1st grader at school today:

Teacher: “Why are you sad?”

Student: “I can’t go to scouts.”

Teacher: “Why is that?”

Student: “The church won’t let us meet.”

Teacher: “Why not?”

Student: “Because the scouts don’t believe in baby Jesus any more.”

This little cub scout nails it.


65 posted on 05/28/2013 12:11:57 PM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: lowbridge

And so - it begins ...

Drip ... Drip ... Drip ...


66 posted on 05/28/2013 12:36:53 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: lowbridge

I posted this last week. I don’t know anything about the organzitation but I liked what the founder had to say:

The founder of this organization has a VERY impressive resume. I have high hopes for them and will be praying for them.


Despite this setback, we will look to the future. I am pleased to announce that OnMyHonor.Net along with other likeminded organizations, parents and BSA members, are announcing a coalition meeting that will take place next month in Louisville, Kentucky. There we will discuss the creation of a new character development organization for boys. While the meeting will be private, your voice is very important to us and will be represented there. We will host and facilitate a national coalition meeting of former BSA parents and other youth leaders who wish to return to truly timeless values that once made the BSA great. We welcome your comments as we develop our plans.

http://www.onmyhonor.net/whats-next/



67 posted on 05/28/2013 12:38:48 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: cyclotic
I suspect we’ll continue for a year or so then join one of the new groups.

Yep, it's too soon to make a decision like that, but that's what I'm leaning towards. Seeing the storm clouds on the horizon earlier in the year, I started getting my feet wet in all of political mechanations. I'm also "the new guy", so I'm still feeling out the rest of the troop.

It's a small group, informal, and not as strongly faith based, but the parents are active and interested and really want to make the right decisions for their kids. It's not just a drop-off babysitting service for single moms, every Monday evening. That's why I'm not as concerned as others about the "gay youth scouts", or whatever you'd like to call it. People who are there just to score social and political points would get weeded out very quickly, I think. Peer pressure, both at the kid and adult level, can be a pretty good thing, at times.

I feel for those troops who don't have the active parent participation - those who just have single moms, or grandmoms, or whoever, that drop their kids off once a week and get the occasional trip in. They're going to attract predators like bees to honey. Absolutely -nothing- good can come from any of this, IMHO.

68 posted on 05/28/2013 12:40:46 PM PDT by wbill
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To: dragonblustar

On one of the earlier threads about the Boy Scouts, someone said that the Boy Scouts of America have sole right to the name “scouts”—no one else can have it in their name. (Well, the Girl Scouts...but they may have a similar monopoly on names for organizations for girls.)


69 posted on 05/28/2013 12:41:20 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: All

Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

http://www.hollanddavis.com/?p=3647


70 posted on 05/28/2013 12:50:48 PM PDT by sleddogs
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Constitution Youth


71 posted on 05/28/2013 12:52:40 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: lost in the snow

I agree. I have been using this series of events and our withdrawal from the BSA as a teaching of “Brave” for my son. Takes courage to stand up for what is right in the face of evil.


72 posted on 05/28/2013 12:54:26 PM PDT by mikemoose (Pray for the Unborn)
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To: 0.E.O

“Obviously the Boy Scout leadership gave no thought to the young men they would be hurting as a result of their poorly thought-out decision.”

I respectfully disagree.

I’m sure they not only gave it thought, but were amused at the prospect of trashing traditional, wholesome American family values. They see boys as little more than objects to be groomed for future sexual encounters.


73 posted on 05/28/2013 1:15:32 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Keep your eyes on Jesus. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.)
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To: All

As I predicted just after this vote...The rankswillbe shrinking and very noticably...

It surprised me that the ranks of Eagle Scouts did not stand up and be counted in this debacle...

Kinda diminishes theire accomplishments...They should be ashamed of what has happened to their organization


74 posted on 05/28/2013 1:32:17 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: lowbridge

Congrats to this Church!

I hope many more follow suit.


75 posted on 05/28/2013 1:36:33 PM PDT by miserare
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To: stevie_d_64
It surprised me that the ranks of Eagle Scouts did not stand up and be counted in this debacle...

I suspect Michael Moore, Marion Barry, Mayor Bloomberg, Russ Carnahan, Steven Spielberg, etc would be in favor anyway.....

76 posted on 05/28/2013 1:38:40 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: lowbridge

The Roman Catholic church will stop supporting the BSA. That’s a whole bunch of scouts. I see no other course. Active catholics will make sure of that.


77 posted on 05/28/2013 1:40:06 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: lowbridge

What’s unfortunate is that many christian church’s will abide by these new rules. The episcopal church for one.


78 posted on 05/28/2013 1:48:05 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: lowbridge

I hope a lot of churches drop sponsorships and I hope a LOT of families pull their kids out.


79 posted on 05/28/2013 2:14:30 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JWinNC
"Christian Service Brigade (CSB) is a non-denominational Christian organization for men and boys in the United States and Canada. Often referred to as "Brigade," it is organized according to a model historically similar to that of international Boys Brigade and Scouting organizations. Brigade units are sponsored by local churches, and these are typically Protestant and Evangelical in character. . . ."

"Camp programs are a major part of the ministry of Christian Service Brigade. Brigade camp programs are usually organized, like Brigade units, into Battalion, Stockade, and Treeclimber programs. There are 13 camps across North America associated with Christian Service Brigade . . .."

Christian Service Brigade

80 posted on 05/28/2013 2:25:38 PM PDT by T Ruth (Islam shall be defeated.)
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To: T Ruth

Our boys went through the Brigade program, starting out as Treeclimbers, and really enjoyed it. They loved the weekend campouts with Daddy-even when it was only 40 degrees.

My husband was a “Ranger” (I think that is what the leaders were called), so it was a great father-son activity. They did a lot of similar things to scouting and earned patches and badges, but JESUS was the center of the organization.


81 posted on 05/28/2013 3:28:01 PM PDT by Shelayne
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To: txrefugee

There is a Christian “Girl Scout” program called American Heritage Girls (http://www.ahgonline.org/) that could be a model for an American Heritage Boys program that would keep essentially, all the worthwhile Boy Scout traditions and junk the PC/homosexual crap.

I hope/pray/think to see a group like that come into being.


82 posted on 05/28/2013 3:50:49 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Fiji Hill
Someone the other day suggested the name Junior Woodchucks.

But Disney would no doubt block that...given Disney's track record.

83 posted on 05/28/2013 4:44:52 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ThomasMore

The Columbian Squires already have a structure in place, and with some modifications, could serve as an alternative.

http://www.kofc.org/un/en/squires/membership.html


84 posted on 05/28/2013 4:53:49 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: txrefugee

Our synod http://www.wels.net/ has had it’s own Boy Pioneers (and Girl Pioneers) for a very long time.


85 posted on 05/28/2013 5:24:08 PM PDT by Mrs. P (Figures can lie, and liars can figure.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
omeone the other day suggested the name Junior Woodchucks.

I believe children of members of Woodmen of the World, a fraternal organization, are known as Woodchucks.

86 posted on 05/28/2013 5:25:37 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: ThomasMore
The Roman Catholic church will stop supporting the BSA.

They should go further. The Pope should threaten to excommunicate any Catholic associated with the BSA.

87 posted on 05/28/2013 5:27:23 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: lowbridge

Bookmarked for future reference.


88 posted on 05/28/2013 6:14:17 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Verginius Rufus
69 On one of the earlier threads about the Boy Scouts, someone said that the Boy Scouts of America have sole right to the name “scouts”—no one else can have it in their name. (Well, the Girl Scouts...but they may have a similar monopoly on names for organizations for girls.)

It is a confusing story.

6/15/1916 - Congress granted an honorific Congressional Charter to the BSA. Congress issued these charters from 1791 – 1992 under Title 36 of the United States Code which outlined the role of Patriotic Societies and Observances in the United States Code.

 Subtitle II - Patriotic and National Organizations - Part B Organizations - Chapter 309 -- Boy Scouts of America … The purpose of the BSA is to … “promote, through organization, and cooperation with other agencies, the ability of boys to do things for themselves and others, to train them in scoutcraft, and to teach them patriotism, courage, self-reliance, and kindred virtues, using the methods that were in common use by boy scouts on June 15, 1916.”

 The charter, which superseded the previous incorporation of the BSA in 1910, entitled the organization to "make and adopt by-laws, rules, and regulations not inconsistent with the laws of the United States of America, or any State thereof."

 The charter gave a monopoly to BSA on the use of the name "Scouts," and on insignia and phrases used in scouting. Since 1916, the BSA has used this federal monopoly to aggressively protect its “brand”. In 1917 it sued the United States Boy Scouts, previously known as American Boy Scouts (founded by newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst), and that organization disappeared the next year. Several other versions of scouting were absorbed into BSA on a friendly basis. By 1930, Chief Scout Executive James West (who was an attorney) claimed to have stopped 435 groups from the unauthorized use of “Scouting”; this both the use as part of an organizational name and in the use of commercial products. When the Girl Guides of America started in 1912, West discouraged the program. West had earlier worked with Luther Gulick when the Camp Fire Girls were established and always considered them to be the sister program of the BSA. When the Girl Scouts refused to give up their name in 1918, West appealed to Baden-Powell with no results. The charter has effectively been made into a decree: outside of the GS-USA, which received a similar congressional charter in 1950, only 1 form of “Scouting” can exist in the U.S. – the BSA.

And therein lies a conundrum because the Baden-Powell Scout Association was established in the U.S. in June 2002. The BPSA became a registered corporation in the U.S. and was issued federal non-profit organization status, operating the 1st Tarrant Scout Group in TX. As others have pointed out, the BPSA does not discriminate membership based upon sexual orientation.

 The charter mandated BSA file an annual report with the U.S. Congress by April 1 on its expenditures and activities. The report has since become known as the “Report to the Nation.” These reports are public record and are available as House documents, filed by the number of the Congress in session.

 Amid dissatisfaction with the system, the subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee decided to discontinue issuing charters in 1992.

89 posted on 05/28/2013 6:34:38 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: Ham Hock

You might consider Royal Rangers of Assemblies of God. Our daughter did the girl’s program and I was very impressed. You don’t have to be a church member either, we weren’t.


90 posted on 05/28/2013 6:37:10 PM PDT by Red Boots
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To: codder too
Years ago the Cub Scouts started to include GAIA in their program. That was when I knew the end was in sight.

Many years of slow infiltration did the job. They already took over the Girl Scouts some time ago.

91 posted on 05/28/2013 6:58:08 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: lowbridge

What civilized organization won’t pull support for homosexuals setting the stage for the rape of young boys.


92 posted on 05/28/2013 7:11:44 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: fwdude

My dad was a high ranking district officer in the Royal Rangers and I can honestly say that I think that would be a tough strategy to take against the RR, who have been around since 1948 I believe...not that there are no similarities with Scouting, but that they would have to go to court and prove why the similarities that have been around for 65 plus years are now reason for a lawsuit...I just don’t think “cause we made an internal decision that caused half our sponsors to quit would fly.

BUT my question is if there is anyway that such Christian organizations could put aside their differences to form a national coalition to match the size of the scouts. RR is an Assemblies of God ministry, Awana I believe is Baptist, and not sure about the others. The problem would be if they could decide on a simplified common doctrine for joint functions. They wouldn’t need to form one massive all encompassing organization for all things, just an alliance to give national weight to be able to compete with the scouting brand.


93 posted on 05/28/2013 7:25:41 PM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it.)
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To: lowbridge

Mark my words; coming down the pike will be the decriminalization of homosexual abuse of young boys. This is just as we saw in Ancient Rome when queers were allowed to buy, sell, and trade little boys. See Elton John and the two little boys he and his queer friend were allowed to buy and “adopt.”


94 posted on 05/29/2013 4:07:24 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: nascarnation

Sure, those ga....uhhhh, guys do not surprise me...


95 posted on 05/29/2013 7:08:22 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Shelayne

Glad to hear you had a positive experience. Thanks for the info.


96 posted on 06/03/2013 4:20:16 PM PDT by T Ruth (Islam shall be defeated.)
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To: House Atreides

“Not to worry—NAMBLA can pick up sponsorship of these scouts.”

We laugh about it now, but anybody want to bet how long it will be before something like that happens?


97 posted on 06/03/2013 4:25:55 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: wbill
Yeah, I posted about that, last week. Ours is the last generation where the term "Eagle Scout" means someone of integrity, who's utterly uncorruptable.

It's going to get turned into something that inspires a chuckle and a smirk, sort of like "Clinton and Lewinsky".

Maybe they can get rid of the Eagle Scout rank, and replace it with the Chicken Hawk rank...

chickenhawk : Older male who seeks the company or favours of an younger male. The term has homosexual overtones.

98 posted on 06/03/2013 4:33:58 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: allendale; SortaBichy
Next on the gay agenda will be to abolish age of consent laws.

Why stop there....(noting the Geico commercials where woman are wooing and dating pigs and green lizards) - Bestiality acceptance is in the on-deck circle.

99 posted on 06/03/2013 4:43:16 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Piffle....)
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To: lowbridge
Lord Baden-Powell is likely rolling in his grave....found his last letter:


100 posted on 06/03/2013 4:51:12 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Piffle....)
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