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Istanbul: Violence in Large Protest; Erdogan Defiant
Arutz Sheva ^ | 1/6/13 | Gil Ronen

Posted on 06/01/2013 2:18:30 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

Police in the Turkish city of Istanbul have pulled out of Taksim square, where the largest anti-government protests in years are taking place.

Thousands of people are gathered in the square after days of violence sparked by plans to redevelop a nearby park. Police have fired tear gas and water cannon several times to break up the riots, and rioters have thrown rocks at police.

Turkey's President Abdullah Gul has called for “common sense” to prevail, admitting that the Taksim square protests had reached a “worrisome level”. He called on all sides to be "mature", urging police to "act in proportion.”

The clashes subsided Saturday afternoon, according to CNN, but protests spread to several other cities, including the capital Ankara and the port city of Izmir.

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The protesters say the park is one of the few green spaces left in Istanbul, and that the government is ignoring their appeals for it be saved. The protest began as a sit-in in the park, but turned violent Friday as police fired tear gas .

The BBC quotes correspondents who say that “what was initially a local issue has spiraled into widespread anti-government unrest and anger over the perceived 'Islamization' of Turkey.”

One woman told Agence France-Presse: "They want to turn this country into an Islamist state, they want to impose their vision all the while pretending to respect democracy."

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Sangfroid. Will O cheer on the advance of democracy? Or does he only do that for the MB?
1 posted on 06/01/2013 2:18:30 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

Did you know there are other sources of news on that internet thingy?

Or are you paid to promote this single source?


2 posted on 06/01/2013 2:20:17 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Eleutheria5

“They want to turn this country into an Islamist state, they want to impose their vision all the while pretending to respect democracy.”

Duh. You got what you voted for. We got obozo. The difference grows smaller.


3 posted on 06/01/2013 2:22:01 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Eleutheria5
Wooo hooo! Arab Spring...what, this one isn't on the list of accepted freedom lovers? Never mind.

Iran

Turkey

4 posted on 06/01/2013 2:24:27 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Eleutheria5

Looking at the pics of protestors, I see a lot of people waving red flags. In a battle between Islamists and Communists, there’s nobody to root for.


5 posted on 06/01/2013 2:24:54 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Looking at the pics of protestors, I see a lot of people waving red flags. In a battle between Islamists and Communists, there’s nobody to root for.

Same as Iran.

6 posted on 06/01/2013 2:33:57 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Eleutheria5

A Tutkish Spring?


7 posted on 06/01/2013 2:56:28 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLeNE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: PapaBear3625
Looking at the pics of protestors, I see a lot of people waving red flags. In a battle between Islamists and Communists, there’s nobody to root for.

The flag of Turkey is red:

Another image of the protesters:


8 posted on 06/01/2013 2:56:31 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Carry_Okie

People are tired of the Islamist telling them how to live their lives...this isn’t a bad thing.


9 posted on 06/01/2013 2:58:00 PM PDT by sandboxshooter (Iraq, Afghanistan, War)
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To: sandboxshooter
People are tired of the Islamist telling them how to live their lives...this isn’t a bad thing.

Yes, but when will they come to realize that "Islamist" and "Mulsim" are the same thing. The only way any society can be liberated from the tyranny of "Islamists" is for it to completely repudiate Islam.

10 posted on 06/01/2013 3:02:23 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Eleutheria5

Who will they blame for this? Jews? Christians? George Bush?


11 posted on 06/01/2013 3:11:58 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: Petrosius

and what do you think Turks will convert their entire culture and society to? liberal European secularism? the pre-Islamic Turkic and Mongol shaman religions?


12 posted on 06/01/2013 3:17:18 PM PDT by RightCenter
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To: I want the USA back

All of the above.


13 posted on 06/01/2013 3:30:45 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: RightCenter

Anything would be better than moslemism or islamism.


14 posted on 06/01/2013 3:35:32 PM PDT by soycd
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To: sandboxshooter
People are tired of the Islamist telling them how to live their lives...this isn’t a bad thing.

As communists, these people aspire to become bureaucrats telling everybody else how to live their lives. Both groups hate us. It's really not that different.

15 posted on 06/01/2013 3:36:53 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: soycd

We must send over Festivus missionaries, equipped with Seinfeld on DVD. That and a Scientology franchiser. I’m not sure they’re ready for a normal religion.


16 posted on 06/01/2013 3:39:01 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Some crazy video from there today. The police ran over a protester with an “assault vehicle” and the mob rushed it and possibly pushed it over.


17 posted on 06/01/2013 4:02:56 PM PDT by struggle
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To: soycd

even communism?


18 posted on 06/01/2013 4:09:57 PM PDT by RightCenter
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To: Eleutheria5

The hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees who continue to flood into Turkey must be hurting the country’s economy — a situation that must be provoking at least some of Turkey’s unrest.

But at least it’s only been refugees crossing into Turkey. If it hadn’t been for Israel’s destruction of Syria’s chemical weapons factory, clouds of deadly sarin gas could have joined the Syria-to-Turkey exodus.

Turkey’s prime minister needs to stop worrying about urban parks and join Israel in saving the Middle East from the growing destruction the Syrian civil war is visiting upon it.


19 posted on 06/01/2013 4:18:21 PM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: Eleutheria5

They riot over renovating a park,

Yet we can’t seem to pull together a protest over Benghazi, The Constitutional Abuses by the IRS, The DOJ, The EPA, and Obamacare.

What’s wrong with this picture?


20 posted on 06/01/2013 4:37:26 PM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: RightCenter

Tough call but I can’t think of any recent society that is worse than islam. Bass ackwards to the hilt, barbaric, pedophiles, women abuse and worshiping a satanic figure is hard to beat.


21 posted on 06/01/2013 4:45:11 PM PDT by soycd
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To: Eleutheria5
One of my former students, from when I taught in Turkey (I won't use a name) has today put about 2 dozen posts on FaceBook showing pictures of the protests and reposting stories from the injured. This started as a protest over turning a park into something else, but has grown into a major anti-government protest. I've no idea how it will turn out, but it's one of the most significant events in Turkey in the last decade or so.
22 posted on 06/01/2013 5:11:40 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: RightCenter

Turkey was previously Christian. They should go back to True Faith


23 posted on 06/01/2013 5:23:33 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Eleutheria5

People of the religion of peace seems to be a bit upset at their dear leaders.


24 posted on 06/01/2013 6:07:49 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: humblegunner
There are freepers who choose to post most of the articles from World Net Daily. Are you suggesting WND pays?
25 posted on 06/01/2013 7:38:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Those red flags are the Turkish flag representing the anti-theocratic secularist Turkish state, who are battling forces hell bent on making Turkey a new Afghanistan or Iran. In this battle, it is a complete and total no brainer who to root for.


26 posted on 06/01/2013 8:14:34 PM PDT by technobash
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To: Petrosius

Wow, the women protesting don;t look like they are dressed up in hefty bags....


27 posted on 06/01/2013 10:42:51 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: RightCenter

even communism?

Better Red

Than Mo’ham’ed...

At least commies don’t mutilate their girls with razors when they are little.....


28 posted on 06/01/2013 10:44:36 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: WashingtonSource
Turkey was previously Christian. They should go back to True Faith

"....no, you can't go back to Constantinople..."

29 posted on 06/01/2013 10:45:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

http://occupygezipics.tumblr.com/


30 posted on 06/02/2013 12:43:55 AM PDT by japaneseghost
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To: Carry_Okie

Those are Turkish flags: they happen to be red. I was in Taksim Square on Saturday: this is quite the opposite of Syria, Egypt or Libya. The people out protesting here are absolutely NOT Islamists (and certainly not communists: there are a very small minority of these here, but probably less proportionally than there are in the US), or indeed particularly religious at all. It’s Erdogan’s government which is trying to impose religious law here (banning alcohol sales last week - a deeply unpopular move in Istanbul, as well as trying to alter the constitution to allow himself to remain in office) and the people who are trying to fight back.

In short, this is the opposite of Syria, Egypt or Libya: an Islamist government attempting to impose religious law on a secular population who don’t want it and aren’t interested in it.


31 posted on 06/02/2013 2:47:55 AM PDT by Zajko (Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig likes it.)
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To: Eleutheria5
Good for the Turkish people. Erdogan has been playing very fast and lose with their form of democracy. He has got himself a lot of trouble. A riot in Ankara means a lot less than one in Istanbul a world city with 17 million inhabitants.

If he does not look out he nay be in for a "Ceaucescu"

32 posted on 06/02/2013 6:04:02 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Petrosius; PapaBear3625

“In a battle between Islamists and Communists, there’s nobody to root for.”
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The main difference between the two is that the first one is much like the other and the other is much like the first one.


33 posted on 06/02/2013 9:38:16 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: Eleutheria5
In case no one has mentioned Ms Berlinski she's an American and long-time resident in Istanbul.

She has lots of information and links I am sure.

34 posted on 06/02/2013 3:45:39 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Fred Nerks
There are freepers who choose to post most of the articles from World Net Daily. Are you suggesting WND pays?

A fair question. Likewise, some forum members post stories always on one topic. One freeper got unfair criticism for always posting stories about Pit Bull attacks ... the Dogs of Peace, they nearly killed someone in Sydney just this week.

I think it is good that some people favor one source, or one topic. If one wants a digest of that news, one can just check their posts. And if one doesn't like it, one can give it the go by.

35 posted on 06/02/2013 9:54:21 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: humblegunner; Eleutheria5
Did you know there are other sources of news on that internet thingy? Or are you paid to promote this single source?

Don't you have anything better to do than harass half the people who post here ? Just how much is the other side paying you to cause trouble here and trying to chase other people away ? What the hell is wrong with you BOY ?

36 posted on 06/02/2013 10:07:06 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Carry_Okie

Who’s the communists? Most of the people demonstrating are adherants of Mustafa Kemal Attuturk and are secular or non-Islamist. Basically, city dwellers that want to live the Western lifestyle and not be told what color lipstick they can wear, that they can’t kiss in public, or can have a drink with their friends and not be called alcoholics. Where are you getting the communist part from? Curious....


37 posted on 06/02/2013 10:09:21 PM PDT by sandboxshooter (Iraq, Afghanistan, War)
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To: BlackVeil

You are sooooo right. Must be a sign of the times, there’s a lot of snapping going on. At least that’s all I hope it is. I’m not jewish, but I do read Arutz Sheva from time to time, it’s Israeli National News:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/


38 posted on 06/02/2013 10:15:37 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: sandboxshooter
Ataturk was 90 years ago. His side has been losing slowly for the last two decades. Of course these urbanites they want a Western lifestyle, but the rest of the country doesn't want it and regards them as depraved.

Interestingly Ataturk was a descendant of Shabbatai Zevi as was Jacob Frank (both Turks), the ideological progenitor of what became the Bund der Gerechten, the force behind Marx himself. That legacy remains active in Turkey today.

39 posted on 06/02/2013 10:45:23 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Carry_Okie

However, the average Turk isn’t a Marxist, and Marxists or Communists are held in low regard...they’re Nationalist’s with a respect for Atuturk and just want the damn government out of their lives and dictating how they should live their life...sound familiar to our situation? And yes, the rural population are pro-AKP, because they’ve been given handouts, which is also familiar to our situation...How are you tying Ataturk to Communism? Again, the article you show in the previous post specifies that he curtailed/restricted/banned their activities and the left-wing Communists are very few in number there...as has been my experience.


40 posted on 06/03/2013 5:15:16 AM PDT by sandboxshooter (Iraq, Afghanistan, War)
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However, the average Turk isn’t a Marxist,

When Lenin took over Russia what was the percentage of Bolsheviks and Mensheviks? Less than 10 percent. Are your 'we want to be left alone' (WWTBLA) types organized? The TKP is (and they even have a page in English, isn't that nice?). Do your WWTBLA party types have flags and signs with which to build identity? No, but the CHP is showing up for LGBT rights! Hmmm, that's going to be a real winner with your WWTBLA "party."

The last castle of democracy in Turkey, the opposition, is officially under siege. MHP is marginalized and intimidated by sex scandals. BDP lives under the threat of a closure case. CHP is next. That leaves... who? TKP.

Take your blinders off; I think this is bigger than mere WWTBLA. For example, if you think the Kurds aren't looking to take advantage of this both in Turkey and Iraq, I've got news for youse. PKK's leader Abdullah Öcalan was trained by KGB-FSB, and they're funded by drug money.

I'm not claiming to be any expert on Turkish politics, but I've got a very good nose for this type of intrigue and it looks to me like backing either side is fraught with peril, just as in Syria, albeit for different reasons. So if you think "we should do something," just remember who's in charge of "we." Communist or Islamist, I don't want Zero anywhere near this mess.

41 posted on 06/03/2013 6:38:37 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I don’t think we should do anything whatsoever and for the record, I don’t have blinders on...the Turks will sort this out on their own. Unlike us, they will pry themselves away from Turkish Idol and get off their ass and do something. Might not be an overthrow of AKP, but maybe significant weakening of the PM. I was there during the last 2 martial law periods and when they finally get enough of Islamists or Communists, they usually are pretty effective at it, however bloody. Unfortunately, many of their Generals/Colonels are in prison but I believe there are enough in the military that have also had enough of the situation. That’s the big question..which way will the military lean..has enough top officers been imprisoned to head off a revolt?

I know about the PKK backing and ideology but they are extremely weak right now and I don’t believe they can exploit this at all. Maybe in years past...and the Kurds in Northern Iraq (the regime) I believe are satisfied with the current arrangements and are unable militarily to do anything even if they wanted to.

As usual, while no party can stand up and hold the banner for the WWTBLA’s, the Marxists/Communists will get no significant support out of this. Again, while the average Turk isn’t Islamist, they are certainly not fans of the TKP crowd and would turn on them quick if they get out of hand, as they have in the past. They’re more akin to the Occupy movement...they may be accepted during these events and allowed to participate, but only for this event to add numbers...in my humble opinion...


42 posted on 06/03/2013 7:07:47 AM PDT by sandboxshooter (Iraq, Afghanistan, War)
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